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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

Civilian Asgardians (When armed with weapons, were able to hold their own against the Undead Einherjar, though were eventually getting slaughtered) ~ Undead Einherjar (Able to harm the likes of Heimdall, though that's more so because of their weapons) < Einherjar (Should be stronger than the Civilian Asgardians and Undead Einherjar. Ex. Skurge) < Frost Giants (Frost Giants are able to easily overpower Einherjar, pressure Sif and harm her with their strikes, they can also harm Hogun and Fandral with their Ice Manipulation. Some are capable of staggering and knocking back the likes of Volstagg and Thor with their punches) < Sif, Warriors Three, Loki, Heimdall & Valkyrie (Sif, Hogun, and Fandral are able to take on multiple Frost Giants, and threaten Loki. Loki is able to kill Frost Giants and shatter their Ice constructs with his daggers, take attacks from Iron Man, and was able to dispose of the Einherjar sent to investigate Svartalfheim. Heimdall, in a weakened state, is capable of killing Frost Giants. Valkyrie is able to fight Loki and even knock him out in a single punch)

• Malekith (Able to outskill and easily kill Einherjar in melee combat)

• The Other (Stated to be "obviously very powerful even in comparison to Loki" by James Gunn)

• Ronan (Easily killed The Other with his Cosmi-Rod attack)

• The Guardians of the Galaxy (Can generally harm one another, and able to tank Ronan's Power Stone Enhanced Cosmi-Rod attack)
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Civilian Asgardians (When armed with weapons, were able to hold their own against the Undead Einherjar, though were eventually getting slaughtered) ~ Undead Einherjar (Able to harm the likes of Heimdall, though that's more so because of their weapons) < Einherjar (Should be stronger than the Civilian Asgardians and Undead Einherjar. Ex. Skurge) < Frost Giants (Frost Giants are able to easily overpower Einherjar, pressure Sif and harm her with their strikes, they can also harm Hogun and Fandral with their Ice Manipulation. Some are capable of staggering and knocking back the likes of Volstagg and Thor with their punches) < Sif, Warriors Three, Loki, Heimdall & Valkyrie (Sif, Hogun, and Fandral are able to take on multiple Frost Giants, and threaten Loki. Loki is able to kill Frost Giants and shatter their Ice constructs with his daggers, take attacks from Iron Man, and was able to dispose of the Einherjar sent to investigate Svartalfheim. Heimdall, in a weakened state, is capable of killing Frost Giants. Valkyrie is able to fight Loki and even knock him out in a single punch)

• Malekith (Able to outskill and easily kill Einherjar in melee combat)

• The Other (Stated to be "obviously very powerful even in comparison to Loki" by James Gunn)

• Ronan (Easily killed The Other with his Cosmi-Rod attack)

• The Guardians of the Galaxy (Can generally harm one another, and able to tank Ronan's Power Stone Enhanced Cosmi-Rod attack)
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Funnily enough with this scaling chain Frigga would actually be pretty strong since she nearly killed Malekith and was kinda bodying him in the Dark World, might be worth making a page for her since she taught Loki all his magic too
 
Physical Scaling (Means without weapons)

Loki is able to fight Valkyrie, and he's able to tank hits from Iron Man = Low 7-C in general.

Valkyrie is able to fight Loki, and knock him out with a punch which means her durability scales to her striking strength = Low 7-C in general.

The Other is stated to be more powerful than Loki by James Gunn = Low 7-C in general.

The Cosmi-Rod is able to kill The Other with its TK blast = Low 7-C AP.

Drax is able to harm Korath with his strikes, and he's able to tank a TK blast from an enhanced Cosmi-Rod = Low 7-C in general

Korath is able to harm Drax with his strikes which means his durability scales to his striking strength = Low 7-C in general.

Ronan able to harm Drax with his strikes and is able to tank hits from him = Low 7-C in general.

Gamora is able to tank the TK blast from the enhanced Cosmi-Rod, and harm Nebula with her strikes = Low 7-C in general.

Nebula is able to harm Gamora with her strikes which means that her durability scales to her striking strength = Low 7-C in general.

Groot is able to tank the TK blast from the enhanced Cosmi-Rod, and he's able to harm Drax, though no striking strength feats = Low 7-C AP and Durability.

Star-Lord is able to tank the TK blast from the enhanced Cosmi-Rod, though has no Low 7-C scaling with his AP without weapons, and no Low 7-C scaling with his Striking Strength. Though is able to knockout Nova Corp Soldiers and Sakaarans by bludgeoning them with his blasters = Low 7-C AP via Weaponry and Durability.

Rocket is able to survive hits from Ego's energy constructs, Ego who was able to casually destroy the Sovereign Fleet, and the Abilisk, which can overpower Drax. Has no Low 7-C scaling with his AP without weapons, and no Low 7-C scaling with his Striking Strength. Though able to knockout a no name Ravager with repeated punches = Low 7-C AP via Weaponry and Durability.

Captain Marvel is able to harm Korath with her strikes which means her durability scales to her striking strength = Low 7-C in general
 
Okay, so currently Frost Giants scale to Sif and Loki for being comparable. Sif scales to the Frost Giants for harming them.

Problem is that she fought them using her now 7-A weapons, and not with her physical strikes, therefore no Low 7-C AP or SS.

Same goes for the Frost Giants as they never actually managed to attack Loki. So no scaling.

But I found a solution. In episode 4 of Loki, Loki is placed inside a Time Cell where he is made to relive a moment in his past when he cut Sif's hair.

In it, the memory of Sif was able to harm Loki with her strikes, with Loki reiterating he remembers what he did after being beat up by Sif, taking a hot bath.

Sif is able to harm Loki with her strikes which means her durability scales to her striking strength = Low 7-C in general

Frost Giants are able to harm Sif with their strikes as well, in addition to them being able to stagger and knock back Thor and Volstagg. Because of this their durability scales to their striking strength = Low 7-C in general

Volstagg is able to kill Frost Giants with his bare hands = Low 7-C AP & SS. 7-A Durability.
 
Also, in that same scene, I just realized Thor was actually gonna murder Cap just because he told him to put his hammer down lol, he just wasn't even having it
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
I'm gonna postpone my Frost Giant CRT, and instead focus on revising Loki and his L1130 variant's statistics then the Frost Giants and other Asgardians, then GotG scaling. Adding more Scans, Justifications, and References.
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About Loki (and I’ll take full responsibility for this cause it was the first thing I did on this wiki) but maybe we should merge both of their profiles into one and separate them by keys
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Though it should be noted that even though Sacred Timeline Loki is stated to have the same powers as L1130 Loki he hasn't showcased them, and it should be specified in VS Threads if he can use them
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Do you mean if variant L1130 is in a matchup people can restrict his magic?
 
Lacku said:
Do you mean if variant L1130 is in a matchup people can restrict his magic?
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No, it's for when Sacred Timeline Loki is in a matchup and some people argue about him using stuff that L1130 showcased, and other people argue that he never showcased it therefore doesn't have them.

It should be noted in the matchup if Sacred Timeline Loki is allowed to use L1130's showcased abilities since they're both the same character, having the same history until the point of divergence, even though Sacred Timeline Loki never shown using said abilities.
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
There’s also this

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What is the source of this scan btw?
 
RoTt35 said:
Malekith with the Aether was recently upgraded to 5-B as he was going to consume all the Nine Worlds at the same time during the Convergence, but I realized that would include Muspelheim, which is a Dyson sphere, and Nivadellir, which is a neutron star
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That also reminds, Thor was capable of going head to head with malketh(aether) throughout the end of the movie so how are we supposed to go about that?
 
Isn't the 5-B rating only for when he's unleashing all of the Aether's Power (That energy/cloud pillar thing he was doing), whereas his physicals and his usual Aether blasts still scale to Thor?
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Isn't the 5-B rating only for when he's unleashing all of the Aether's Power (That energy/cloud pillar thing he was doing), whereas his physicals and his usual Aether blasts still scale to Thor?
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I don’t really see why it would be different from him trying to kill Thor tbh. Plus Thor also shattered the aether earlier in the movie so there’s that two
 
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