Hawkeye vs. Bullseye (MCU)

[Lacku]

Kingpin sends his best mercenary to take care of the new Avenger turned vigilante on the block.

Like the Kingpin matchup in Round 1; Hawkeye has his standard arrows vs. Bullseye (Bullseye has prior knowledge of Hawkeye's capabilities), Round 2; Ronin vs. Bullseye

(Speed Equalised, Fight takes place in Kingpin's apartment in the Presidential Hotel)

Hawkeye scales to 4.09 megajoules while Bullseye scales to Kingpin's 1.54 megajoules from surviving Hawkeye's trick arrows

Round 1

Hawkeye: Dinobot1996, Doggo, Marvel_Champion_07, Popted2, Artorimachi_Meteoraft, Suigetsuhyugs, Lonkitt

Bullseye:

Inconclusive:

Round 2

Ronin: Dinobot1996, Doggo, Marvel_Champion_07, Popted2, Artorimachi_Meteoraft, Suigetsuhyugs, Lonkitt

Bullseye:

Inconclusive:

 

[Dinobot1996]

I think Hawkeye takes both rounds with varying difficulty.

R1: Clint has enough feats of accuracy with his bow (such as hitting a Chitauri Chariot without looking) that he should be able to match Bullseye at a distance, though even if he loses his bow or runs out of arrows, his statements of being able to knock someone unconscious with a coin from 20 feet away suggest he could probably hold his own for a while if he has to resort to throwing stuff back at Bullseye. But eventually, Clint should be able to take advantage of the area's layout to close the distance, at which point Bullseye is going to be at a massive disadvantage, considering how much he struggled in close combat against the likes of Daredevil or Kingpin.

R2: Clint probably has an easier time with this round if he relies on stealth. He has shurikens that will allow him to continue holding his own at long range, and his sword would give him an even bigger advantage in close combat.

 

[Lacku]

I think Hawkeye takes both rounds with varying difficulty.

R1: Clint has enough feats of accuracy with his bow (such as hitting a Chitauri Chariot without looking) that he should be able to match Bullseye at a distance, though even if he loses his bow or runs out of arrows, his statements of being able to knock someone unconscious with a coin from 20 feet away suggest he could probably hold his own for a while if he has to resort to throwing stuff back at Bullseye. But eventually, Clint should be able to take advantage of the area's layout to close the distance, at which point Bullseye is going to be at a massive disadvantage, considering how much he struggled in close combat against the likes of Daredevil or Kingpin.

R2: Clint probably has an easier time with this round if he relies on stealth. He has shurikens that will allow him to continue holding his own at long range, and his sword would give him an even bigger advantage in close combat.

Counted but it should be taken into account that Bullseye has the advantage of knowing everything about Kingpin's apartment

 

[Doggo]

Hawkeye FRA

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Hawkeye FRA

 

[Lacku]

Hawkeye FRA

Hawkeye FRA

Both counted

 

[Popted2]

Hawkeye FRA

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Why would Bullseye scale to the trick arrow? Bullseye fought a previous kingpin even if you count both Netflix and MCU as the same.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Why would Bullseye scale to the trick arrow? Bullseye fought a previous kingpin even if you count both Netflix and MCU as the same.

Bullseye scales to Kingpin, who survived that explosion

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bullseye scales to Kingpin, who survived that explosion

He scales to Netflix kingpin even if its the same kingpin they have years apart and whatever armour kingpin might be using in the MCU wont necessarily be the same he used before. I dont think this scaling should be allowed.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

He scales to Netflix kingpin even if its the same kingpin they have years apart and whatever armour kingpin might be using in the MCU wont necessarily be the same he used before. I dont think this scaling should be allowed.

Make a CRT to change that then. There is one statement that suggests Kingpin is stronger, but another statement directly contradicts this

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Hawkeye fra

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Make a CRT to change that then. There is one statement that suggests Kingpin is stronger, but another statement directly contradicts this

Im not even complainning about being the same but armour texudo shouldnt be considered the same even more now that she hulk showed us daredevil is not using the same person to make his suit which implies that either Melvin is not making suits anymore or he is dead, also anyways Melvin stopped doing his suits much before the end of daredevil series so how would he have another one now?

 

[Lacku]

Hawkeye FRA

Hawkeye fra

Both counted

 

[Lacku]

Im not even complainning about being the same but armour texudo shouldnt be considered the same even more now that she hulk showed us daredevil is not using the same person to make his suit which implies that either Melvin is not making suits anymore or he is dead, also anyways Melvin stopped doing his suits much before the end of daredevil series so how would he have another one now?

Even if Kingpin's armor tuxedo is different now it only protects him from piercing damage, he still tanked the full force of that explosion from Hawkeyes trick arrows.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Even if Kingpin's armor tuxedo is different now it only protects him from piercing damage, he still tanked the full force of that explosion from Hawkeyes trick arrows.

Why would only protect from piercing damage? And Daredavil's suit protects him from even gunfire and his helmet considered bulletproof thats not just piercing damage, and the suits made by Luke are absurdly more technological and much stronger

 

[Lacku]

Why would only protect from piercing damage? And Daredavil's suit protects him from even gunfire and his helmet considered bulletproof thats not just piercing damage, and the suits made by Luke are absurdly more technological and much stronger

The reason Kingpins suit only protects against piercing damage is because that's what it was specifically made for, even Melvin when talking about the material mentions knives and other piercing objects, and whether or not Kingpins suit in Hawkeye was old or new doesn't matter since we still don't know whether or not it protects him from explosions. Also even though Luke's work looks to be more professional and advanced than Melvin's creations that doesn't necessarily mean that the Daredevil suit he made is more durable than Matt's old one.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Why would only protect from piercing damage?

It's only feats are against piercing or slashing weapons, it has no feats against blunt force hits or shock/blastwaves.

There's also the fact that it's a cloth like material meaning it'll bend and flex where it's impacted. Meaning you'll feel where the knife is pushing into you but it won't pierce or cut into you, whereas you'll feel the energy imparted to you by blunt force hits or shock/blastwaves.

And lastly, only his suits are shown to be armoured, his Hawaiian shirt and pants are just regular clothes.

And Daredavil's suit protects him from even gunfire and his helmet considered bulletproof thats not just piercing damage,

How does this relate to Kingpin's suit?

Daredevil's suit was never stated to be bulletproof, it's not even completely knife proof.

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and the suits made by Luke are absurdly more technological and much stronger

Where is this actually shown or stated?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's only feats are against piercing or slashing weapons, it has no feats against blunt force hits or shock/blastwaves.

There's also the fact that it's a cloth like material meaning it'll bend and flex where it's impacted. Meaning you'll feel where the knife is pushing into you but it won't pierce or cut into you, whereas you'll feel the energy imparted to you by blunt force hits or shock/blastwaves.

He made that suit because he was unable to damage kingpin with any of his attacks.

And lastly, only his suits are shown to be armoured, his Hawaiian shirt and pants are just regular clothes.


How does this relate to Kingpin's suit?

Daredevil's suit was never stated to be bulletproof, it's not even completely knife proof.

Higher with suit (His Daredevil suit is resistant to knives and gunfire, and his helmet is bulletproof)

His helmet is.

Where is this actually shown or stated?

Just see She hulk, the guy was using jet fuel to power frog's suit, while Marvin's best thing was that "Billy club"

 

[Lacku]

He made that suit because he was unable to damage kingpin with any of his attacks.


His helmet is.

Just see She hulk, the guy was using jet fuel to power frog's suit, while Marvin's best thing was that "Billy club"

What does this have to do with Kingpin tanking the explosion from Hawkeye's trick arrows?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

He made that suit because he was unable to damage kingpin with any of his attacks.

What the hell, are you talking about? You do realize that Daredevil and Bullseye were able to harm Kingpin even with the suit on, what are you even on about?

His helmet is.

For one bullet, a bullet which cracked the helmet, and knocked Matt unconscious.

Just see She hulk, the guy was using jet fuel to power frog's suit,

You seem to be mistaken, the jet fuel was used for it's thrusters, the Frog Suit isn't a power suit, it's literally just a suit with thrusters.

while Marvin's best thing was that "Billy club"

Again where is it stated or shown that his knew suit is an improvement over the previous ones.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

What does this have to do with Kingpin tanking the explosion from Hawkeye's trick arrows?

They're under the impression that Suit protected Kingpin from the point blank explosion from the multiple trick arrows, despite the fact that his head, legs, and a majority of his chest are exposed.

 

[Lacku]

They're under the impression that Suit protected Kingpin from the point blank explosion from the multiple trick arrows, despite the fact that his head, legs, and a majority of his chest are exposed.

I'm more talking about why were talking about Daredevils suit now isn't this derailing

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I'm more talking about why were talking about Daredevils suit now isn't this derailing

He brought up the daredevil suit as support to his notion that Kingpin's suit can protect from things other than cutting, slashing, and stabbing attacks, such as the explosion.

He's also using the logic that "newer is better" by saying that Daredevil's new suit is better than his old suit, therefore that logic should also apply to Kingpin's new suit.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What the hell, are you talking about? You do realize that Daredevil and Bullseye were able to harm Kingpin even with the suit on, what are you even on about?

The suit absorbs impact to a certain extent thats the point

For one bullet, a bullet which cracked the helmet, and knocked Matt unconscious.

The fact that the helmet was cracked and not pierced is already proof that it protects against impacts.

You seem to be mistaken, the jet fuel was used for it's thrusters, the Frog Suit isn't a power suit, it's literally just a suit with thrusters.

My point was that he was "playing" with thrusters and jet fuel whiçe Marvin was very limited in technology to much more realistec technology

Again where is it stated or shown that his knew suit is an improvement over the previous ones.

It doesnt need to be proved to be an improvement just being different means he wouldnt scale

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Anyways my vote goes for hawkeye despite both having similar durability hawkeye has a big advantage on AP small building vs wall level

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

It doesnt need to be proved to be an improvement just being different means he wouldnt scale

So you have no proof to back up your claims.

Anyways my vote goes for hawkeye despite both having similar durability hawkeye has a big advantage on AP small building vs wall level

Did you bother to read the OP? They're only at Wall Level.

Hawkeye 4.09 megajoules
Bullseye 1.54 megajoules

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

So you have no proof to back up your claims.

The proof is he doesnt have Marvin to keep doing his suits which means he has a different suit.

Did you bother to read the OP? They're only at Wall Level.

Hawkeye 4.09 megajoules
Bullseye 1.54 megajoules

What? You can just take one of his tiers? You are not talking about a different key you are talking about ignoring a tier that is part of his standart gear.
Thats against the rules

• Match-ups with equalized statistics (with the exception of speed) are not allowed, as they turn the entire tiering system unnecessary.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

The proof is he doesnt have Marvin to keep doing his suits which means he has a different suit.

Then that proves that Bullseye scale to Kingpin as we have no idea if his suit is better or worse than the ones Melvin makes

What? You can just take one of his tiers? You are not talking about a different key you are talking about ignoring a tier that is part of his standart gear.
Thats against the rules

9-B, up to 8-C, likely higher with arrows

The fact that you don't seem to realize that the OP is limiting Hawkeye to his Wall Level statistics and equipment to make this match fair is incredible

It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment. An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added. The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional.

Hawkeye's 8-C equipment falls under this as it's a separate tier and is something that he can consciously not use

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

What? You can just take one of his tiers? You are not talking about a different key you are talking about ignoring a tier that is part of his standart gear.
Thats against the rules

Do you understand what this rule entails?

• Match-ups with equalized statistics (with the exception of speed) are not allowed, as they turn the entire tiering system unnecessary.

Because what I said does not fall under this.

 

[RoTt35]

Shouldn't Hawkeye be 9,954,255 Joules via scaling from Black Widow who scales from Ant-Man?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Then that proves that Bullseye scale to Kingpin as we have no idea if his suit is better or worse than the ones Melvin makes

thats unknown he would scale to wall level anyways he just wouldnt scale from the explosive arrow kate used

9-B, up to 8-C, likely higher with arrows

The fact that you don't seem to realize that the OP is limiting Hawkeye to his Wall Level statistics and equipment to make this match fair is incredible



Hawkeye's 8-C equipment falls under this as it's a separate tier and is something that he can consciously not use

No all his arrows scale to building since Hawkeye used a normal arrow to break through Spiderman's webs so unless you are limiting all of hawkeyes arrows which would be ridiculous since you menstioned standart gear which includes the explosive arrows then you are doing it wrong

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

No all his arrows scale to building since Hawkeye used a normal arrow to break through Spiderman's webs so unless you are limiting all of hawkeyes arrows which would be ridiculous since you menstioned standart gear which includes the explosive arrows then you are doing it wrong

All his arrows vary from "9-B up to 8-C, likely higher"

And yes, we can limit Hawkeye to arrows that are 9-B.

The fact that you don't understand that is baffling.

 

[Lacku]

Shouldn't Hawkeye be 9,954,255 Joules via scaling from Black Widow who scales from Ant-Man?

uh oh

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

All his arrows vary from "9-B up to 8-C, likely higher"

And yes, we can limit Hawkeye to arrows that are 9-B.

The fact that you don't understand that is baffling.

Dude

likely higher with arrows (Knocked off Loki and slightly harmed him)

The higher refers to his arrows, also the feats you see in the 9-B scaling is the same arrows that are also 8-C they are 2 scalings refering to the same arrows

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

The higher refers to his arrows, also the feats you see in the 9-B scaling is the same arrows that are also 8-C they are 2 scalings refering to the same arrows

All his arrows vary from "9-B up to 8-C, likely higher"

How hard is this to understand?

Do you realize the reason he has an "up to" and "likely higher" with his Arrows?

Because his arrows' feats vary,

in some instances his arrows scale to 9-B characters, who are consistently portrayed to be that level.

Then in other instances he has arrows that scale to 8-C, who are consistently portrayed to be that level.

Lastly, we have him slightly harming a character vastly above what he's been shown to handle.

And if it's not obvious enough, the OP is literally limiting Hawkeye to the 9-B value

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

How hard is this to understand?

Do you realize the reason he has an "up to" and "likely higher" with his Arrows?

Because his arrows' feats vary,

in some instances his arrows scale to 9-B characters, who are consistently portrayed to be that level.

Then in other instances he has arrows that scale to 8-C, who are consistently portrayed to be that level.

Lastly, we have him slightly harming a character vastly above what he's been shown to handle.

And if it's not obvious enough, the OP is literally limiting Hawkeye to the 9-B value

The power of his arrows depend on how much strenght he punt in his bow thats why the same arrows vary in power

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

The power of his arrows depend on how much strenght he punt in his bow thats why the same arrows vary in power

No, we literally put the "Up To" and "Likely Higher" in his profile because the feats of his arrows. Since they're consistently portrayed as inconsistent.

in some instances his arrows scale to 9-B characters, who are consistently portrayed to be that level.

Then in other instances he has arrows that scale to 8-C, who are consistently portrayed to be that level.

Lastly, we have him slightly harming a character vastly above what he's been shown to handle.

 

[Lonkitt]

FOX Bullseye clears them both


Anyways, yeah. Mainline 9-B’s skillstomp the Netflix 9-Bs pretty blatantly. Hawkeye wouldn’t have trouble taking this match in the ranged and close-quarters categories

Voting Hawkeye FRA

 

[Lacku]

Anyways my vote goes for hawkeye despite both having similar durability hawkeye has a big advantage on AP small building vs wall level

FOX Bullseye clears them both


Anyways, yeah. Mainline 9-B’s skillstomp the Netflix 9-Bs pretty blatantly. Hawkeye wouldn’t have trouble taking this match in the ranged and close-quarters categories

Voting Hawkeye FRA

Both counted and that's grace