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Looking back at it, Endgame was a movie that was written terribly but somewhat enjoyable if you have enough time on your hands. IW is definitely the superior movie
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Looking back at it, Endgame was a movie that was written terribly but somewhat enjoyable if you have enough time on your hands. IW is definitely the superior movie
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Don't care about what people say, Eternals IS one of the best MCU movies period.
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I don't think Wenwu dying was an issue tbh. Dude refused to listen to anyone throughout the whole movie and having him walk away scot free would be almost as bad as Wanda repeatedly avoiding consequence. Shang-Chi also originally swearing to kill him just to ultimately witness his father dying trying to save him (even though SC gave up on killing him moments before) was solidly poetic and fitting.
And then not to mention having Wenwu alive after establishing the fact that Wenwu is a centuries old warmonger who settled down for a miniscule amount of time comparatively and then continued after his wife died is rather weird.
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Solid movie especially if your a fan of Raimi. But if you were expecting a cameo fest then it would be a very disappointing movie.
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I enjoyed it personally, at the very least it's not as egregious as people make it out to be pointless Kro plotline aside
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**** the people who shit on Multiverse of Madness for what it isn't rather than what it is
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I did not expect a cameo movie (Though I got a feeling that those who believed that Shrek, Superior Iron Man, and Walter White would make a cameo definitely got walked out of the theater with a frown on their face).
However, I did expect a multiverse movie, so hearing that the multiverse aspect is just some bland alterations and generic designs does detract from any experience for me
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Apologies I'm not saying him die alone is bad it's because it's not I'm saying trading him for a characterless dragon is not the best move for people who care about that but again I enjoyed it
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Personally a problem for me. It was the perfect occasion to put important cameos and use them cleverly. Instead, we just got a bunch of stupid heroes for the Illuminatis who barely had any development or scenes. Contrast this with No Way Home wich not only delivered us what we wanted as fans but also used them cleverly, as almost all of them (save for Sandman and Lizard and to an extent Daredevil) are perfectly integrated in the story, have an important part to play in MCU Peter's development and even have their own development to boot. The fan service was really well done in NWH, whereas in MoM it was lacking and wasted.
Not to mention this movie supposedly about the Multiverse only has three universes, two for real actually, shown. I get that Raimi probably didn't want to make a cameo movie but this is more or less what the movie should have been to a degree. It should have been much crazier
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The one thing I wanted to see in Multiverse of Madness was Strange take the frontline as a character and develop. And we got exactly that
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Agree, the two Guardians of the Galaxy movies are also among the best in my opinion
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Respect your opinion. Don't hold up hope for a sequel tho
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I will never understand why people had a problem with Multiverse of Madness
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Expectations were set too high with NWH and most were looking forward to cameos more than a solid story. I've seen stuff form Tom Cruise Superior IM to Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider
Same thing is happening with the Spiderverse sequels.
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Overinflated expectations due to rumors and speculation about the plot played a large role, before the movie came out some believed the actual Fantastic Four (Not The Illuminati with Reed Richards in it) and Superior Iron Man by Tom Cruise were being put. Especially since NWH preceded it and that movie involved high-profile cameos
As for the movie itself, I heard that the theme was underwhelming, and the plot was extremely messy, with many believing Marvel edited parts of the movie, lowering it in quality
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Didn't really get sympathetic vibes from them. Kamala just thinks they're a group of people who are stranded, she wants to help them but doesn't know how to without making big boom. It isn't until the wedding that she realizes that they're pretty ******* crazy.
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Okay lets do a quickie. Ranking Phase 4 projects. (not ordered)
S Tier (Gooooood shit) - Shang-Chi, NWH, Ep 4 and 9 of What if...?
A Tier (Solid stuff) - Hawkeye, Moon Knight
B Tier (Okay/Feasible) - MoM, FATWS, Loki, Ep 10 of What if...? ,Eternals
C Tier (Meh) - WandaVision,
F Tier (Kinda bad, if not, just straight up shit) - Black Widow, Ms. Marvel so far, The rest of What if...?
S Tier (Gooooood shit) - Shang-Chi, NWH, Ep 4 and 9 of What if...?
A Tier (Solid stuff) - Hawkeye, Moon Knight
B Tier (Okay/Feasible) - MoM, FATWS, Loki, Ep 10 of What if...? ,Eternals
C Tier (Meh) - WandaVision,
F Tier (Kinda bad, if not, just straight up shit) - Black Widow, Ms. Marvel so far, The rest of What if...?
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I really enjoyed Black Widow and WandaVision
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Same that was pretty good
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Do you find being atomized sexy?
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My issue with MoM is that I feel like it has too much world building and not as much exploring or action as I'd like. Outside of Gargantos, Sinister Strange, and 5 seconds of defender strange's corpse, the only action in the movie was "Oh shit, its wanda oh god oh **** run." which doesn't feel befitting for a super hero movie. And considering the standards that the first movie set, you didn't really have any of that crazy world bending magic shit that you'd typically expect which was rather shocking to me. We could've at least had a longer direct fight between Wanda and Strange. Y'know, the main protagonist and antagonist of the movie?
I could honestly care less about cameos. If anything I'd actually prefer that the illuminati just not show up at all in the movie personally. All they did was get obliterated by wanda within a minute. I just expect more action from an action movie y'know.
I could honestly care less about cameos. If anything I'd actually prefer that the illuminati just not show up at all in the movie personally. All they did was get obliterated by wanda within a minute. I just expect more action from an action movie y'know.
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I agree with the main point. There was too little action
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The magic style with Wanda was random energy blasts. She gained power from a cosmic book and that is what she does??? The odd thing, was why did Wanda try to blast Haley and Rambeau when she could have done what she did right before with Reed and Black Bolt.
I agree with that point, but the standards were set by not just the first movie, Strange challenging Thanos and turning a black hole into butterflies in IW, and Wandavision seeing Wanda able to warp reality, it had some reasonable expectations, so seeing around 3 new abilities and standard whips and energy blasts, was pretty disheartening.
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You likely won't like it like at all
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My biggest problem with DS2 is that Wanda regressed back. I get they tried to do the Darkhold corrupts everyone route, but they should have hammered it in more.
No she is far more haxier compared to earlier versions.
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I expected her to start becoming more and more corrupted throughout the movie and when she finally takes a moment to think about what she wants, she goes for what she wants (her goal in the final version of the movie)
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Marvels is a must watch movie for me so i'll watch the show if Kamala has a big role in the movie.
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I enjoyed Black Widow when it first came out but in retrospect its not as good. Its really just carried by Yelena imo. The action is ight, but the whole movie feels a littles stale when your main antagonist is a gross abuser of homeless girls who controls assassins behind the scenes whos ultimate weapon is a poor portrayal (Just wanna clarify that its not about Taskmaster being a female) of Taskmaster who isn't successful in ANY of their given assignments.
WandaVision was quite creative but it loses value by feeding into Wanda avoiding consequences and little character development (despite the characters having fun personalities). It's good as a general mystery/sitcom show but not quite as a marvel project.
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I do wish they did more with the idea that Strange could very well be the very greatest threat to reality
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She could've but she wasn't totally psycho in WandaVision. It was more of a "shut the **** up leave me alone" thing with WandaVision, especially with Monica instead of "get out of my way and die".
Wandas way of combat is energy spheres and blasts but she can do more than that, as we've seen in WandaVision, they just... didn't utilize any of her reality warping stuff outside of a couple miniscule moments earlier in the movie.
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Yeah i'm watching everything regardless because at the very least if I dislike something I have to do it properly but man sincr she likely will be a big part of Marvel's you may have to watch it but it's just such a bottom feeder show with how much they go above and beyond to change and assassinate the character with the villains having 0 charm or character
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The main fight I watched is Wanda killing the illuminati, uses energy blasts and TK redirecting to kill two of the illuminati, honestly felt like PIS.
I wished there was a larger battle to show how much they learned since their last appearance, and to see what they can really do in combat
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That's because during her fight against the Illuminati, Wanda is in a presumably less haxier body
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Nah she's snatching people through reflection, deconstructing people, mindhaxing them and doing everything
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S (Amazing) : Shang Chi, NWH, What if ep 4 and ep 9, Moon Knight
A (Great) : Hawkeye, MoM, FATWS
B (Good) : Loki, What If EP 10, Black Widow, Ms Marvel (even though I watched 1 episode), what if ep 2, what if ep 5, what if ep 7
C (Alright) : Eternals, Wandavision, what if ep 3, what if ep 6
F (not that good/terrible): What if ep 1
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If your'e talking about Reed Richards, that seems more like ripping him via Telekinesis apart rather than a special ability
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