[MCU] Minor Tier 6 Upgrades

[RoTt35]

Peak Hela & Odin
A guidebook states that Hela was Odin's most powerful weapon in the conquest of the Nine Realms, which would put her above the Tesseract, which belonged to Odin with Hela having knowledge of it as implied in this scene and here, and the Bifrost, which can be used as a weapon to destroy planets. This shouldn't cause inconsistencies with Hela being one-shot by Surtur since as we know she draws her power from Asgard and during the events of Ragnarok she was significantly depowered as she spent thousands of years isolated from her power source and being kept at bay by Odin's powers. An example of this is that she was knocked out by Post-Awakening Thor's lightning bolt but her AD made her seething with enhanced power, to the point that from Thor's pov it seemed as if his lightning bolt had done nothing to her. In addition, Odin, who defeated Eternal Flame Surtur, stated that by drawing her strength from Asgard Hela's powers will be limitless, and to finally conclude this the Marvel Website states that at one point Hela was the most powerful warrior in all Nine Realms and unmatched in every way, effectively putting her peak above Surtur's. So Hela's profile should have two keys:

At least Country level (While depowered, she destroyed Mjölnir with one hand and slammed Thor through Bifrost's shards, breaking them. Later on Asgard, she defeated Pre-Awakening Thor who was wielding Gungnir. Destroyed the floor of Asgard's palace, which withstood Gungnir taps powerful enough to resonate across Asgard. Considered the Casket of Ancient Winters as weak), far higher with Accelerated Development (After being knocked out by Post-Awakening Thor's lightning, she was seething with enhanced power, to the point that it seemed like it had done nothing to her, now being able to damage Thor, badly injuring him and Valkyrie. Sliced through Skurge's armor, which is made of Uru. Drew blood from Eternal Flame Surtur. Odin stated that by drawing her strength from Asgard, her powers will be limitless) | At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (At one point she was the most powerful warrior in all Nine Realms, being unmatched in every way and Odin's most powerful weapon in the conquest, which would make her more powerful than the Tesseract and the Bifrost)

This would also upgrade Odin to High 6-A/5-B since he defeated Peak Hela, and to support that rating he is stated to have Earth-shattering force and to have devastated whole worlds. This would scale solely and exclusively to Odin and Peak Hela during the conquest

Scarlet Witch & Thanos' Sword/Energy Shields
Thor's lightning, which Iron Man was absorbing, was able to overload the Mark 85, as we know the Mark 6 has a maximum overload of 475%, in other words it can handle receiving 475% more power than what it can output, basically a 4.75 multiplier via Absorption. Thanos' sword was able to block and deflect the Mark 85's overload repulsor beams, therefore it should have High 6-B durability (39.56711139579 × 4.75 = 187.943779 Teratons). Scarlet Witch was able to break the sword, and the Space Stone's energy shields blocked her beams, so they should also have High 6-B AP and dura respectively

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Qawsedf234 @Lonkitt @Just_a_Random_Butler @Marvel_Champion_07

Your input would be appreciated

I believe the Scarlet Witch/Thanos sword upgrade makes sense, but am unsure about the Hela and Odin part

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Peak Hela & Odin
A guidebook states that Hela was Odin's most powerful weapon in the conquest of the Nine Realms, which would put her above the Tesseract, which belonged to Odin with Hela having knowledge of it as implied in this scene and here, and the Bifrost, which can be used as a weapon to destroy planets. This shouldn't cause inconsistencies with Hela being one-shot by Surtur since as we know she draws her power from Asgard and during the events of Ragnarok she was significantly depowered as she spent thousands of years isolated from her power source and being kept at bay by Odin's powers. An example of this is that she was knocked out by Post-Awakening Thor's lightning bolt but her AD made her seething with enhanced power, to the point that from Thor's pov it seemed as if his lightning bolt had done nothing to her. In addition, Odin, who defeated Eternal Flame Surtur, stated that by drawing her strength from Asgard Hela's powers will be limitless, and to finally conclude this the Marvel Website states that at one point Hela was the most powerful warrior in all Nine Realms and unmatched in every way, effectively putting her peak above Surtur's. So Hela's profile should have two keys:
This would also upgrade Odin to High 6-A/5-B since he defeated Peak Hela, and to support that rating he is stated to have Earth-shattering force and to have devastated whole worlds. This would scale solely and exclusively to Odin and Peak Hela during the conquest

100% agree so far

Scarlet Witch & Thanos' Sword/Energy Shields
Thor's lightning, which Iron Man was absorbing, was able to overload the Mark 85, as we know the Mark 6 has a maximum overload of 475%, in other words it can handle receiving 475% more power than what it can output, basically a 4.75 multiplier via Absorption. Thanos' sword was able to block and deflect the Mark 85's overload repulsor beams, therefore it should have High 6-B durability (39.56711139579 × 4.75 = 187.943779 Teratons). Scarlet Witch was able to break the sword, and the Space Stone's energy shields blocked her beams, so they should also have High 6-B AP and dura respectively

Also agree

Though, just out of curiosity, wouldn't it also apply to Thor and Thanos, since the former is the one who overloaded Iron Man and made his attacks High 6-B, while the latter overpowered the overloaded repulsers without much difficulty?

If it doesn't or that is to be left for a different CRT, I guess that's also fine

 

[Lacku]

Agree with everything but would it be too much of a presumption to upgrade depowered Hela to be above the Casket of Ancient Winters High 6-B rating? Granted it is Environmental Destruction AP but still.

 

[Lonkitt]

Looks great

 

[RoTt35]

Though, just out of curiosity, wouldn't it also apply to Thor and Thanos, since the former is the one who overloaded Iron Man and made his attacks High 6-B, while the latter overpowered the overloaded repulsers without much difficulty?

If it doesn't or that is to be left for a different CRT, I guess that's also fine

Agree with everything but would it be too much of a presumption to upgrade depowered Hela to be above the Casket of Ancient Winters High 6-B rating? Granted it is Environmental Destruction AP but still.

I would appreciate if we could address this in another thread as it requires more prior discussion and would affect the scale more than planned here

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Looks fine, Odin should be higher any ways

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I would appreciate if we could address this in another thread as it requires more prior discussion and would affect the scale more than planned here

Okay. Sorry for bringing it up

 

[Excellence616]

I agree with everything

 

[Lacku]

I would appreciate if we could address this in another thread as it requires more prior discussion and would affect the scale more than planned here

That’s no problem sorry about that

 

[Arceus0x]

Seems legit

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Seems simple enough, I agree.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Wouldn't (Eternal flame) Surtur get the upgrade too? Since he's destined to destroy the very source of Odin and Hela's power plus although we didn't see the fight, Surtur still survived the encounter with Odin instead of Odin killing him or reducing him to his crown state.

Otherwise I agree with the CRT.

 

[RoTt35]

Wouldn't (Eternal flame) Surtur get the upgrade too? Since he's destined to destroy the very source of Odin and Hela's power plus although we didn't see the fight, Surtur still survived the encounter with Odin instead of Odin killing him or reducing him to his crown state.

No, Surtur is destined to destroy Asgard, which was calculated at High 6-B/High 6-A and died from that explosion. We know nothing about the battle between Odin and Surtur, only that the former defeated him leaving him depowered and injured for thousands of years, he should not scale from them at all

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

No, Surtur is destined to destroy Asgard, which was calculated at High 6-B/High 6-A and died from that explosion. We know nothing about the battle between Odin and Surtur, only that the former defeated him leaving him depowered and injured for thousands of years, he should not scale from them at all

I dunno narratively it kinda seems contrived for prime Surtur to be likely hundreds of times weaker than Hela and Odin in their primes but I'll let go of my reservations.

 

[Lacku]

Why not just make Eternal Flame Surtur at most High 6-A and have him downscale from Asgards destruction?

 

[KingTempest]

Weirdly solid

 

[RoTt35]

Why not just make Eternal Flame Surtur at most High 6-A and have him downscale from Asgards destruction?

Why would he downscale from something that killed him?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Why not just make Eternal Flame Surtur at most High 6-A and have him downscale from Asgards destruction?

I’d say drop this for now, this can be discussed in another thread after this is done

 

[Qawsedf234]

Your input would be appreciated

I'm fine with the Thanos/SW stuff.

The upgrade to Tier 5 based on a row of assumptions I'm not sure on.

Though I guess I'm not against a possibly rating for either.

 

[RoTt35]

Though I guess I'm not against a possibly rating for either.

The Tesseract is accepted at "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B", so how would you prefer Hela and Odin's rating to be?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Hela is "High 6-B, likely High 6-A" and you can make Odin "High 6-B, likely 5-B".

 

[RoTt35]

Hela is "High 6-B, likely High 6-A" and you can make Odin "High 6-B, likely 5-B".

Where does the High 6-B rating come from? The Bifrost is High 6-A, and the Tesseract is High 6-A/5-B

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with the OP’s proposals, although I do think that Thor and Thanos should be upgraded to High 6-B as well. I also think Hela‘s first key should be High 6-B+ via scaling to the Casket of Ancient Winters but that’s for a different thread.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Where does the High 6-B rating come from?

Confused the High 6-B with just 6-B there. I didn't mean to add it.

The Bifrost is High 6-A,

Which is what I think they should scale to. The Infinity Stones have dozens of statements where they're the strongest things in existence and it doesn't make sense for any singular normal character to scale above them in my view.

 

[RoTt35]

Which is what I think they should scale to. The Infinity Stones have dozens of statements where they're the strongest things in existence and it doesn't make sense for any singular normal character to scale above them in my view.

I don't see how this is an argument to be honest, we have many characters that currently scale above the AP of most Infinity Stones: Egyptian Gods, Zeus, L&T Thor, Gorr, Celestials, etc. The Bifrost and the Hadron Enforcer are also more powerful than most Infinity Stones in AP except for the Tesseract, and some are above it like the Necrosword, Mjölnir and Stormbreaker that can reach up to 5-A/4-C, and we still don't scale the stones above those weapons based on the "dozens of statements where they're the strongest things in existence", plus most of them refer to the Infinity Stones collectively which range from 3-A to Low 1-C

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don't see how this is an argument to be honest, we have many characters that currently scale above the AP of most Infinity Stones: Egyptian Gods, Zeus, L&T Thor, Gorr, Celestials, etc. The Bifrost and the Hadron Enforcer are also more powerful than most Infinity Stones in AP except for the Tesseract, and some are above it like the Necrosword, Mjölnir and Stormbreaker that can reach up to 5-A/4-C, and we still don't scale the stones above those weapons based on the "dozens of statements where they're the strongest things in existence", plus most of them refer to the Infinity Stones collectively which range from 3-A to Low 1-C

I guess you're right.

 

[RoTt35]

So how would the rating of Odin and Hela be like? Something like "At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B"?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah, probably the best way to handle it. If you're good with it we just have to wait the minimum CRT time and I/you can apply the changes.

 

[LordTracer]

Ngl, I don’t see why they‘d need to keep the 6-B rating in their new keys.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Ngl, I don’t see why they‘d need to keep the 6-B rating in their new keys.

I agree with this, especially with two statements regarding Odin's power to support High 6-A/5-B

he is stated to have Earth-shattering force and to have devastated whole worlds.

 

[RoTt35]

Looks great

Weirdly solid

Which option do you prefer for the new rating of Hela and Odin?

1. At least High 6-A, likely 5-B
2. At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B

 

[Lonkitt]

Which option do you prefer for the new rating of Hela and Odin?

1. At least High 6-A, likely 5-B
2. At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B

Definitely 1

2 is unnecessary and cluttered

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Question? Is Hela is getting two Keys right? One for her Peak State and one for her Current State? Is Odin getting two Keys as well?

 

[RoTt35]

Question? Is Hela is getting two Keys right? One for her Peak State and one for her Current State?

Yeah, it's clarified in the op

Is Odin getting two Keys as well?

I don't think that's necessary

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Which option do you prefer for the new rating of Hela and Odin?

1. At least High 6-A, likely 5-B
2. At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B

1 is way better

 

[Excellence616]

Which option do you prefer for the new rating of Hela and Odin?

1. At least High 6-A, likely 5-B
2. At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B

Option 1

 

[Lacku]

Why would he downscale from something that killed him?

I was thinking since Eternal Flame Surtur is a threat in some capacity to Peak Odin, who is solidly High 6-A at least, yet died to a High 6-A explosion he should downscale to be baseline or something like that. Not too sure if my logic is great but I agree we need to drop this part of the discussion since it's detracting from the main point of the CRT.

 

[Lacku]

Which option do you prefer for the new rating of Hela and Odin?

1. At least High 6-A, likely 5-B
2. At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B

Option 1 easily

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I guess Hela/Odin stuff is alright, as well as the Scarlet Witch/Thanos portion.

Which option do you prefer for the new rating of Hela and Odin?

1. At least High 6-A, likely 5-B
2. At least 6-B, possibly High 6-A to 5-B

Option 1 works well enough in my opinion.