MCU: High 6-B cap Removal

[RoTt35]

Currently, all the 6-B characters have a cap due to Surtur dying by the explosion that destroyed Asgard, which was calculated at High 6-B. The proposal of this CRT is only to remove said cap, don't worry there won't be any upgrade attempt right now

Both the observatory and the Rainbow Bridge are conduits of energy that power and channel the Bifrost, which is classified as an energy, whose source of energy is the center of Asgard. Therefore, Surtur didn't died just by the destruction of Asgard, but also by the energy that was used to power the Bifrost, which can release High 6-A amounts of energy per second and also cause wormholes.

But that's not all, since High 6-A is just the energy that the Bifrost can release each second, while Surtur received all that energy at once at point blank range, which at bare minimum we know is enough to destroy all of Jotunheim overtime, which has a GBE calculated at Low 5-B. Therefore the High 6-B cap that holds some characters from being upgrading further should be removed and raised to at least Low 5-B.

Agree: 22 (@Dalesean027, @KLOL506, @Aguywhodoesthings, @Propellus, @Lonkitt, @Emirp sumitpo, @Maverick_Zero_X, @The_one_you_least_expect, @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer, @Lacku, @Excel616, @Dinobot1996, @Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @NHTkenshin2, @Eseseso, @Thelastmlg, @ArkhamDC06, @Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, @SheevShezarrine, @SlendVeny, @Otosaka, @RoTt35)

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I agree obviously

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Agreed

 

[Lacku]

Makes sense

 

[Excellence616]

Agreed

 

[Dinobot1996]

I agree with this

 

[Dalesean027]

Seems fine and much more appropriate with the planetary destruction description of what happened to asguard


@KLOL506 @Qawsedf234 @Aguywhodoesthings @Lonkitt @Propellus thoughts?

 

[KLOL506]

Disagree because it renders my calc useless as ****

Seems fine at a glance, though I want other staff to check just in case.

@Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer @Colonel_Krukov Sorry not sorry

 

[Dalesean027]

Disagree because it renders my calc useless as ****

Seems fine at a glance, though I want other staff to check just in case.

@Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer @Colonel_Krukov Sorry not sorry

Your calc was based asf make no mistake so its all good

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Disagree because it renders my calc useless as ****

Don't worry i'm sure someone on the MCU thread will come up with a way to use it to get a rating and will somehow get a convincing argument out of it

And yeah this seems fine to me aswell, iirc from the first Thor movie destroying the bifrost bridge literally causes it to explode

 

[Propellus]

Seems okay

 

[RoTt35]

Don't worry i'm sure someone on the MCU thread will come up with a way to use it to get a rating and will somehow get a convincing argument out of it

Bruce stating that Thanos is the strongest creature in the whole universe even after watching Surtur destroy Asgard

 

[Qawsedf234]

@KLOL506 @Qawsedf234 @Aguywhodoesthings @Lonkitt @Propellus thoughts?

Conduit of energy =/= durability of that energy. It just means it can channel it. Base Thor and a Dark Elf ship can damage the surface, along with Fenris just walking on the bridge.

 

[KLOL506]

Conduit of energy =/= durability of that energy. It just means it can channel it. Base Thor and a Dark Elf ship can damage the surface, along with Fenris just walking on the bridge.

Not sure that's what OP meant. It's more so that Surtur was killed when the Bifrost energy exploded. Nobody would scale to this feat, just that the maximum cap of the pre-L&T characters surviving would be... High 6-A based on nobody being able to survive beyond this.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Conduit of energy =/= durability of that energy. It just means it can channel it. Base Thor and a Dark Elf ship can damage the surface, along with Fenris just walking on the bridge.

Not what we’re talking about and I’m pretty sure the ship never damaged the bridge

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

the maximum cap of the characters surviving would be... High 6-A

But that's not all, since High 6-A is just the energy that the Bifrost can release each second, while Surtur received all that energy at once at point blank range, which at bare minimum we know is enough to destroy all of Jotunheim overtime, which has a GBE calculated at Low 5-B. Therefore the High 6-B cap that holds some characters from being upgrading further should be removed and raised to at least Low 5-B.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Agree

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Hell yea

 

[Eseseso]

EASY agree from me!

 

[Lonkitt]

This seems good. I agree

 

[Thelastmlg]

yeah this makes sense to me as well

 

[Excellence616]

Can this be applied then?

 

[KLOL506]

I would like to see Qawsedf's response since his comment didn't actually get what OP was saying.

 

[RoTt35]

Can this be applied then?

And we must wait 48 hours since the creation of the CRT to apply the accepted changes

 

[KLOL506]

TL; DR, the cap for pre-L&T characters and their AP/durability-related calcs would be raised to Low 5-B given that the High 6-B calc I made for Surtr dying, is actually Low 5-B since the full Bifrost would be that yield for blowing up Jotunheim AKA it's the same yield that killed Surtr. Of course, nobody would scale to this, but rather this is just a cap for how high a calc for pre-L&T characters can go before it becomes an outlier, if there are any calcs left to do for them at that stage.

@Qawsedf234 Thoughts?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Following and agreeing

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Qawsedf234 Thoughts?

It wouldn't be Low 5-B since it was an overtime feat. It would be High 6-A divided by Surtur's surface area compared to the explosion.

But I guess it makes sense.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

since it was an overtime feat

Surtur received all that energy at once at point blank range, which at bare minimum we know is enough to destroy all of Jotunheim overtime, which has a GBE calculated at Low 5-B

 

[Qawsedf234]

He did not receive all the energy at once, because the explosions area > Surtur's area.

 

[KLOL506]

It wouldn't be Low 5-B since it was an overtime feat. It would be High 6-A divided by Surtur's surface area compared to the explosion.

Again, it wouldn't scale to anyone (Since Surtr straight up dies to it), it just serves as an upper cap of how far you can calculate other separate feats for Pre-L&T characters before it enters outlier territoriy. So surface area here is irrelevant.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

High 6-A MCU here we come

I agree with this


However I believe it should be mentioned in the OP that the cap would be 1 Exaton and not the GBE of Jotunheim since it was destroyed overtime and thats the energy that Surtur died to

 

[RoTt35]

However I believe it should be mentioned in the OP that the cap would be 1 Exaton and not the GBE of Jotunheim since it was destroyed overtime and thats the energy that Surtur died to

We know that the center of Asgard has enough energy to destroy Jotunheim (Low 5-B GBE), the Observatory and the Rainbow Bridge can only channel High 6-A amounts of that energy per second, but Surtur received all the energy at once

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

We know that the center of Asgard has enough energy to destroy Jotunheim (Low 5-B GBE), the Observatory and the Rainbow Bridge can only channel High 6-A amounts of that energy per second, but Surtur received all the energy at once

How do we know that it has the energy required to destroy Jotunheim?

Is there a statement I'm missing?

 

[Qawsedf234]

but Surtur received all the energy at once

No, because work over time doesn't equal work all at once. Unless they say explicitly that all the energy of the Bifrost was released you can't give it more than a per-second value divided by it's surface area.

So surface area here is irrelevant.

It wouldn't, since it sets the cap that Surter dies at

 

[RoTt35]

No, because work over time doesn't equal work all at once. Unless they say explicitly that all the energy of the Bifrost was released you can't give it more than a per-second value divided by it's surface area.

I don't get your point, Surtur didn't die just by the Bifrost, but because of its energy source which is the center of Asgard, the Observatory and the Rainbow Bridge that serve as energy conduits can only channel High 6-A amounts of that energy per second, but we know that at bare minimum all of that energy accumulated in the center of Asgard is Low 5-B

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don't get your point

Just because a power planet over the course of a day can output x amount of energy over a day doesn't translate to it transferring all of that energy out at once if it were to explode. You would need to have an explicit statement that it released all protentional and stored energy in one burst for it to be Low 5-B.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I don't get your point, Surtur didn't die just by the Bifrost, but because of its energy source which is the center of Asgard, the Observatory and the Rainbow Bridge that serve as energy conduits can only channel High 6-A amounts of that energy per second, but we know that at bare minimum all of that energy accumulated in the center of Asgard is Low 5-B

Ah, yeah this makes sense


Agree with Low 5-B then

 

[RoTt35]

Just because a power planet over the course of a day can output x amount of energy over a day doesn't translate to it transferring all of that energy out at once if it were to explode. You would need to have an explicit statement that it released all protentional and stored energy in one burst for it to be Low 5-B.

The problem is that Asgard itself isn't a power plant, are you suggesting that the center of Asgard can generate High 6-A amounts of energy every second?

 

[Qawsedf234]

are you suggesting that the center of Asgard can generate High 6-A amounts of energy every second?

Asgard's generates the energy or at least draws from something that is then converted to energy at the observatory. Odin, Heimdall and Stormbreaker can all use the Bifrost by channeling either Dark Energy or their ancestors to replicate the effects, Asgard can just do it without risk to the user.

But ultimately that energy is capped by a per second ratio and the maximum amount of energy really has nothing to do with Asgard proper. Like I said to get full Low 5-B you would need to prove that it released 24-hours of generated overtime energy at once, which just isn't possible. Which is why the cap would be an Exaton or an Exaton divided by Surtur's surface area.