[MCU] Drax 6-B Upgrade + P&A Additions

[RoTt35]

Drax & Abilisk
Drax's knives were able to pierce Doctor Strange's Tao Mandala and draw blood from Cull Obsidian, therefore they should be upgraded to "At least 6-B". Since Drax was unable to cut through the Abilisk's hide with his knives, its durability would also be upgraded to 6-B

Cull Obsidian

• Weapon Control (His hammer can transform into a pickaxe, shield, claw, hook or a detachable snare, it can also extend its chain several dozen meters away)
• Attack Reflection (His shield deflected Iron Man's repulsor beams)
• Cyborgization and Bodily Weaponry (After his arm was cut off, it was replaced by a cybernetic arm which can transform into a blade)

Thanos

• Resistance to Fire Manipulation (Withstood being engulfed by several explosions)

He currently has limited resistance to sleep manipulation but it should be straight, as Mantis was unable to put him to sleep and only made him docile because she also has Empathic Manipulation, for reference Mantis can instantly put a Celestial being like Ego to sleep

Dormammu

• Biological Manipulation (The Zealots can suffer from physical disfigurements to deeper disabilities)

Death Hax Resistance
Here it's stated that immortals are immune to Death's ability, which includes the Cosmic Entities/Beings and as showed at the Gates of Eternity the Celestials and the Watcher are part of them, which would also include Infinity Ultron as he elevated into a Cosmic Being as stated by the Watcher. Other immortal beings include Dormammu and his Zealots, Ancient One included, and also Hela

 

[Excellence616]

I agree.

 

[Eseseso]

Not crazy about Drax scaling but rest is fine.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

A bit iffy on Drax's knives scaling, but it seems to make sense, though I'll stay neutral

Doesn't Attack Reflection require Cull to actually reflect the repulsor beams back onto Iron Man?

Fully agree with everything else

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

isnt there a distinction between cutting and smashing? Seems hard to support that.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Drax's knives scaling is it a bit eh

Everything else should be fine

 

[Lacku]

The only thing about Drax's knives is that do they scale to any other of the Guardians weaponry like Gamoras Godslayer? Apart from that agree for the rest.

 

[RoTt35]

The only thing about Drax's knives is that do they scale to any other of the Guardians weaponry like Gamoras Godslayer?

They have no reason to do so

 

[Lewis]

And will Adam Warlock and Nebula get this?

 

[RoTt35]

And will Adam Warlock and Nebula get this?

No, besides the Abilisk, no other character is impervious to Drax's knives

 

[RoTt35]

Bump, I included a new thing at the end of the OP

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Death Hax Resistance
Here it's stated that immortals are immune to Death's ability, which includes the Cosmic Entities/Beings and as showed at the Gates of Eternity the Celestials and the Watcher are part of them, which would also include Infinity Ultron as he elevated into a Cosmic Being as stated by the Watcher. Other immortal beings include Dormammu and his Zealots, Ancient One included, and also Hela

Seems fine

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Revan_Laha]

Drax was able to wrestle Thor's goats too

 

[RoTt35]

Drax was able to wrestle Thor's goats too

I don't know from where the goats scale but Drax wouldn't be physically 6-B, just with his knives

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

@Lonkitt @Emirp sumitpo could you give input here please?

 

[Lonkitt]

Gonna stay neutral on the Drax scaling

The rest is fine

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Regarding the Knives

• Against Ronan - Ronan either dodged the knives or blocked Drax's arms

• Against Sakaarans - Drax was One-Shotting them easily with the knives

• Against Korath - Dodged thrown knives from Drax

• Against the Abilisk - its skin and stomach lining were completely unaffected by the knives

• Against Ego - Drax wasn't there in the fight

• Against Dr. Strange - The knives pierced and embedded themselves into the Tao mandalas

• Against Thanos - Drax landed a hit with a knife on Thanos' leg which made him flinch

• Against Cull - the knives pierced his body drawing blood

That's all that I recall

 

[RoTt35]

Drax's knives have a more solid scaling than a few 6-B characters

 

[Excellence616]

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Drax's knives have a more solid scaling than a few 6-B characters

Example Hulk

 

[RoTt35]

Could this qualify as Stealth Mastery, or Invisibility, for Drax? Since he was standing there for an hour with Star-Lord and Gamora not noticing his presence until he made a noise

 

[Lonkitt]

Could this qualify as Stealth Mastery, or Invisibility, for Drax? Since he was standing there for an hour with Star-Lord and Gamora not noticing his presence until he made a noise

Unironically, yeah, that is a stealth feat

 

[RoTt35]

Regarding Drax's knives, if they can't scale from Cull Obsidian and the Tao Mandala due to piercing damage, though I don't know if that also applies with a magical energy shield, the Abilisk would still have 6-B dura since the knives pierced Cull Obsidian but not its hide?

 

[Lonkitt]

Regarding Drax's knives, if they can't scale from Cull Obsidian and the Tao Mandala due to piercing damage, though I don't know if that also applies with a magical energy shield, the Abilisk would still have 6-B dura since the knives pierced Cull Obsidian but not its hide?

I think this is another issue with me accepting 6-B Drax, because we have to take into account what that means for the rest of the Guardians

 

[RoTt35]

I think this is another issue with me accepting 6-B Drax, because we have to take into account what that means for the rest of the Guardians

No one scales from Drax's knives except for the Abilisk, @OneBleachHurricane clarified that:

Regarding the Knives

• Against Ronan - Ronan either dodged the knives or blocked Drax's arms

• Against Sakaarans - Drax was One-Shotting them easily with the knives

• Against Korath - Dodged thrown knives from Drax

• Against the Abilisk - its skin and stomach lining were completely unaffected by the knives

• Against Ego - Drax wasn't there in the fight

• Against Dr. Strange - The knives pierced and embedded themselves into the Tao mandalas

• Against Thanos - Drax landed a hit with a knife on Thanos' leg which made him flinch

• Against Cull - the knives pierced his body drawing blood

That's all that I recall

 

[KingTempest]

Cull Obsidian needs a possibly/likely downgrade cause wasn't he struggling with Holland?

 

[Lonkitt]

Cull Obsidian needs a possibly/likely downgrade cause wasn't he struggling with Holland?

No. Spider-Man stopped one of his attacks, which is a major outlier. The only other time they interacted was Spider-Man pulling him back during Endgame, but that wasn't through any means of overpowering him. It was pretty much the same as grabbing a dude from behind

EDIT: Plus, Cull literally grabs Peter after he stops the attack and tosses him aside

 

[KingTempest]

No. Spider-Man stopped one of his attacks, which is a major outlier.

Slams a car he threw back into him and knocking him down, stopping the energy of his blow by countering it and pulling backwards, and stopping his strike on Tony

The only other time they interacted was Spider-Man pulling him back during Endgame, but that wasn't through any means of overpowering him. It was pretty much the same as grabbing a dude from behindhttps://gfycat.com/veneratedsomebarasingha

Grabbing a punch from somebody throwing a punch is actually a really good feat

EDIT: Plus, Cull literally grabs Peter after he stops the attack and tosses him aside

Lifting strength, which they show Cull is consistently superior in

Bro got badly put down by energy pulse shots from T'Challa. I honestly don't believe he should have a solid higher tier rating.

 

[Lonkitt]

Slams a car he threw back into him and knocking him down, stopping the energy of his blow by countering it and pulling backwards, and stopping his strike on Tony


Grabbing a punch from somebody throwing a punch is actually a really good feat

Lifting strength, which they show Cull is consistently superior in

Bro got badly put down by energy pulse shots from T'Challa. I honestly don't believe he should have a solid higher tier rating.

Okay, why did you link the same car feat multiple times? I'm assuming thats just an error though

Also the problem that comes up with Spider-Man's instances (base and in the Iron Spider) are that you have to take into account Cull was giving a decent fight to one of Iron Man's strongest armours as well as thrashing the Hulkbuster. Kinda creates some issues there, doesn't it?

 

[RoTt35]

Cull Obsidian was able to harm the Mark 50 and 85, ripped off the arm of the Hulkbuster 2.0, is stated to have no hesitation taking on the likes of the Hulk, spotting him as a monster he thinks he can defeat in a fight, no-sold energy beams from the Mark 50 and 85, took hits from the Hulkbuster 2.0 and survived a hit from Mjölnir

 

[KingTempest]

Okay, why did you link the same car feat multiple times? I'm assuming thats just an error though

Weird, I clicked the links and they definitely weren't the same feat

Also the problem that comes up with Spider-Man's instances (base and in the Iron Spider) are that you have to take into account Cull was giving a decent fight to one of Iron Man's strongest armours as well as thrashing the Hulkbuster. Kinda creates some issues there, doesn't it?

That's why I said "possibly" downgrade.

Even a "6-B (Fought hulkbuster, fought Tony, yadayadayada), possibly lower (Failed to put down Spider-Man and was incapacitated by a kinetic energy pulse from Black Panther)" would be interesting solid

 

[Lonkitt]

Even a "6-B (Fought hulkbuster, fought Tony, yadayadayada), possibly lower (Failed to put down Spider-Man and was incapacitated by a kinetic energy pulse from Black Panther)" would be interesting solid

"Possibly lower" isn't a thing on the wiki. Some pages did it, but those are errors by site standards

Also Cull is more consistently Tier 6 than Tier 8

 

[KingTempest]

oh well

 

[Lonkitt]

Cull Obsidian was able to harm the Mark 50 and 85, ripped off the arm of the Hulkbuster 2.0, is stated to have no hesitation taking on the likes of the Hulk, spotting him as a monster he thinks he can defeat in a fight, no-sold energy beams from the Mark 50 and 85, took hits from the Hulkbuster 2.0 and survived a hit from Mjölnir

Pretty much just this outweighs any possible chance Spidey's instances have of being more valid

 

[RoTt35]

I also want to clarify to avoid possible confusion that only Drax's knives would be 6-B, he would still be Low 7-C physically

 

[Lonkitt]

I also want to clarify to avoid possible confusion that only Drax's knives would be 6-B, he would still be Low 7-C physically

Ah. Sorry, that wasn't immediately clear upon my analysis. That should be fine then

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

This would mean the Abelisk unironically scales above Thanos (Since it was his armor that blocked Drax's attack not his actual skin, he actually blocked and dodged Drax's other attacks)

Clip I'm referencing

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

This would mean the Abelisk unironically scales above Thanos (Since it was his armor that blocked Drax's attack not his actual skin, he actually blocked and dodged Drax's other attacks)

Clip I'm referencing

I don't think blocking and dodging attacks is worth anything, since Thanos blocks attacks from other much weaker characters. I'd hardly even rely on him for scaling since he was caught off-guard by that attack and holding back throughout most of the movie (except with Iron Man). The only ones who really harm him in this movie are Thor with Stormbreaker and Mark 50 Iron Man after repeated attacks

Also, Thanos' skin has repeatedly been stated and considered to be nigh-indestructible, so I'd still think he scales above the Abilisk

 

[RoTt35]

Yeah, the skin of the Abilisk would just scale above Cull Obsidian's and the Tao Mandalas