MASSIVE Tekken Downgrades

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AP, STRIKING STRENGTH & DURABILITY DOWNGRADES

Firstly, Jack-6's asteroid feat was recalced and downgraded from 6-B to 7-A+/6-C

It also took more than one attack for Jack-6 to destroy the asteroid and we don't know how many total hits it took for him destroy it.

@RanaProGamer mentioned these things in his Tekken thread a few days ago so I swiped those points from him.

Additionally, Jack-6's feat is a massive outlier.

Tekken's God tier characters don't even have feats in the 6-C range.

So with all of that being said Azazel and Jinpachi's "world destroying" statements no longer have any feats to support them so I believe it's best to scale the top tiers to the next best feats that have calcs attached to them.

There's just one problem.

Demon Jinpachi's storm feat is most likely environmental destruction and Devil Kazuya's 7-A feat has an unknown time frame.

@XXKINGXX69 mentioned these things in a Tekken thread a few days ago so I swiped those points from him.

The only other feat that we can scale the top tiers to is Gun Jack's Tier 7 feat.

The next best feat to scale the mid tiers to would be Feng Wei's 8-B volcano feat.

Feng Wei also has a mountain destroying feat that could put them higher but it hasn't been calced on this site yet to my knowledge.

These revisions would effect the following profiles.

• Akuma
• Alisa
• Anna
• Bryan
• Eliza
• Feng Wei
• Jack
• Kazumi
• Kuma
• Lee
• Marshall
• Master Raven
• Nina
• Ogre
• Panda
• Paul
• Yoshimitsu
• Heihachi
• Kazuya
• Jin
• Jinpachi
• Lars
• Raven

AP & SPEED DOWNGRADE

The only person this section effects is Kazumi Mishima.

Firstly, I don't think it's reasonable to scale Kazumi to sub-rel and/or relativistic speeds or Tier 6 and/or 7 feats.

All those feats happened decades after she died.

Kazumi's current ratings are based off of the fact that she fought a young Heihachi but he wouldn't scale either.

70 year old Heihachi would curbstomp 20 year old Heihachi.

Heihachi has only gotten stronger, faster and tougher with age.

Normal humans grow weaker as they age but Heihachi Mishima isn't a normal human.

I think it's best to scale Kazumi to the low tier Tekken characters.

LIFTING STRENGTH DOWNGRADES

Panda performed a Class K feat by lifting a giant Mokujin leg during Tekken Blood Vengeance (a semi-canon film).

The problem with using this feat to scale the characters with is that there are several other comparable or superior characters who have struggled with considerably less weight in 100% canon sources.

Craig Marduk lifting a vehicle.

Craig's grunts suggest to me that he's struggling to hold the vehicle over his head.

Bryan Fury ripping a tank turret off.

Bryan clearly struggled to tear the turret off.

Raven flipping NANCY.

Raven's grunts clearly demonstrate the strain he's under as he flips NANCY over.

Tekken's characters would get downgraded to either Class 50 or Class 100 if these revisions are accepted.

Demon Jinpachi's boulder lifting feat should be Class 100 but it probably has to be calced first.

BONUS: DEVIL GENE MULTIPLIER REVISION

I watched the Tekken Blood Vengeance film and it specifically stated that the Devil Gene provides a 10x increase to Devil Kazuya's cellular compounds.

It never mentioned power or strength.

Unless I'm missing something or someone has access to a different translation that I'm not aware of.

I'm not sure what to make of the words cellular compounds so I'm looking forward to community input.

Thoughts?

Agree: 7 (RanaProGamer, Baken384, SirAlex09, Hellbeast, Dust_Collector, Morgan74784, JohnConquest1)

Disagree: 6 (BlackDarkness679, DaReaperMan, NotoriouSoda, RandomGuy2345, TheKingStrategist13, Oleggator)

 

[Continuum19]

Bump.

 

[DaReaperMan]

At a glance this seems fine, not knowledgeable on Tekken tho

 

[Flashlight237]

Personally, I think it might be a bit more helpful to find any support for Azazel and Jinpachi featwise than it is to go gung-ho on downgrading the verse. Problem is I'm not all that well-versed in Tekken lore.

 

[Hellbeast]

Jinpachi's chains would be goood too since they seem thick

 

[Continuum19]

Personally, I think it might be a bit more helpful to find any support for Azazel and Jinpachi featwise than it is to go gung-ho on downgrading the verse. Problem is I'm not all that well-versed in Tekken lore.

I'm pretty knowledgeable on Tekken and I'm certain that Jack-6's feat is the only 6-C feat in the entire verse.

There is absolutely nothing else.

I think it's best to downgrade the verse personally.

 

[Continuum19]

Jinpachi's chains would be goood too since they seem thick

When Demon Jinpachi performed the boulder feat he was chained down pretty heavily.

He only seemed to be freed from the chains after the explosion.

This is Jinpachi right after the explosion:

I'm pretty sure the explosion is what broke the chains.

It also mentioned in the Jinpachi interludes that the seal keeping him underground was only broken after an explosion:

With all of that being said I think it's best to just scale Jinpachi and the other top tiers to a feat we can see with our own eyes.

 

[Hellbeast]

ah makes sense

 

[Continuum19]

ah makes sense

Do you agree with the revisions so far?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Didn’t think a Tekken thread would be revived so early after what happened. But considering the AP portion was my idea, I agree with that bit. Lifting Strength also looks good at a glance.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Also, I’m wondering, if we do scale Jack 6 to the lower end 6-C calc, would we still be applying the 10x multiplier for the God Tiers since they can destroy Jacks in just their base state. That would put God Tiers at 6-C+. If the high end gets accepted, then the God Tiers would be High 6-C.

 

[Continuum19]

Also, I’m wondering, if we do scale Jack 6 to the lower end 6-C calc, would we still be applying the 10x multiplier for the God Tiers since they can destroy Jacks in just their base state. That would put God Tiers at 6-C+. If the high end gets accepted, then the God Tiers would be High 6-C.

The problem with scaling Jack-6 to the feat at all is the fact that it took dozens of hits for him to perform the feat.

On top of the fact that it's a massive outlier.

I'm also disputing the Devil Gene's 10x multiplier.

 

[Baken384]

agree with this
Are character endings even canon? Like we have Feng doing that mountain thing but is it really canon?

 

[Continuum19]

agree with this
Are character endings even canon? Like we have Feng doing that mountain thing but is it really canon?

Some are and some aren't.

The Feng Wei mountain feat ending you're talking about isn't canon but non canon endings are allowed on VBW as long as they don't contradict canon.

At least as far as I've been told in regards to fighting game verses.

 

[Continuum19]

This is going pretty smoothly so far.

If about 8-10 more members in total can agree with my revisions I can contact Antvasima to get them started very soon.

 

[RanaProGamer]

This is going pretty smoothly so far.

If about 8-10 more members in total can agree with my revisions I can contact Antvasima to get them started very soon.

Fastest way would be getting a Staff member to comment on this.

 

[Continuum19]

Fastest way would be getting a Staff member to comment on this.

Don't you think I should wait for a few more community members to agree with the revisions first?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Personally I don't think the number of attacks jack-6 does really matters since it was only that final punch that actually did anything to the meteor (Everything else he did barely chipped small rocks off of it), can't say how much that works for scaling since he also breaks one of this arms apart doing that. Also don't think it being the only 6-C feat matters either so long as nothing contradicts the top tiers scaling to it (But again, not sure how applicable the scaling is to others if that jack-6 dude needed to shatter apart an entire arm just to perform the feat with an attack that looks like it took way more effort than his regular punches, might be one of those instances where the dude is 6-C via one specific attack or something, I dunno).

For the tier 7 stuff is there a UES with chi or something in Tekken? If that Jinpachi dude uses chi for the tier 7 feat and also uses chi to enhance his own strength then it should be fine to scale to his physicals, if that ain't the case then yeah it'd be environmental destruction. Also yeah I agree that the Kazuya temple feat isn't really applicable either without a solid depiction of how he destroyed it beyond a single statement about it vanishing without a trace. Agree with the lifting strength stuff, hard to ignore all those characters comparable or superior to panda struggling to lift lighter objects. Guess I also agree with Kazumi being downgraded if Heihaichi is superior to his younger self that she fought.

No idea what to make of the cellular compounds thing.

 

[Hellbeast]

agree with this
Are character endings even canon? Like we have Feng doing that mountain thing but is it really canon?

Not a fan of using endings like this but apparently we're chill with it

 

[RanaProGamer]

Personally I don't think the number of attacks jack-6 does really matters since it was only that final punch that actually did anything to the meteor (Everything else he did barely chipped small rocks off of it), can't say how much that works for scaling since he also breaks one of this arms apart doing that. Also don't think it being the only 6-C feat matters either so long as nothing contradicts the top tiers scaling to it (But again, not sure how applicable the scaling is to others if that jack-6 dude needed to shatter apart an entire arm just to perform the feat with an attack that looks like it took way more effort than his regular punches, might be one of those instances where the dude is 6-C via one specific attack or something, I dunno).

For the tier 7 stuff is there a UES with chi or something in Tekken? If that Jinpachi dude uses chi for the tier 7 feat and also uses chi to enhance his own strength then it should be fine to scale to his physicals, if that ain't the case then yeah it'd be environmental destruction. Also yeah I agree that the Kazuya temple feat isn't really applicable either without a solid depiction of how he destroyed it beyond a single statement about it vanishing without a trace. Agree with the lifting strength stuff, hard to ignore all those characters comparable or superior to panda struggling to lift lighter objects. Guess I also agree with Kazumi being downgraded if Heihaichi is superior to his younger self that she fought.

No idea what to make of the cellular compounds thing.

I think the cellular compounds might be the closest thing we have to chi in Tekken, though this would only apply to Devil Gene users, Jinpachi included.

 

[Continuum19]

Not a fan of using endings like this but apparently we're chill with it

I completely agree with this.

I think it would be best to use strict canon in regards to fighting game verses but other members of the community disagree for whatever reason.

 

[Baken384]

Lol Feng Wei's ending could have been usable if Jinpachi biting the dust didn't exist

 

[Continuum19]

Personally I don't think the number of attacks jack-6 does really matters since it was only that final punch that actually did anything to the meteor (Everything else he did barely chipped small rocks off of it), can't say how much that works for scaling since he also breaks one of this arms apart doing that. Also don't think it being the only 6-C feat matters either so long as nothing contradicts the top tiers scaling to it (But again, not sure how applicable the scaling is to others if that jack-6 dude needed to shatter apart an entire arm just to perform the feat with an attack that looks like it took way more effort than his regular punches, might be one of those instances where the dude is 6-C via one specific attack or something, I dunno).

For the tier 7 stuff is there a UES with chi or something in Tekken? If that Jinpachi dude uses chi for the tier 7 feat and also uses chi to enhance his own strength then it should be fine to scale to his physicals, if that ain't the case then yeah it'd be environmental destruction. Also yeah I agree that the Kazuya temple feat isn't really applicable either without a solid depiction of how he destroyed it beyond a single statement about it vanishing without a trace. Agree with the lifting strength stuff, hard to ignore all those characters comparable or superior to panda struggling to lift lighter objects. Guess I also agree with Kazumi being downgraded if Heihaichi is superior to his younger self that she fought.

No idea what to make of the cellular compounds thing.

1. That's always been how striking strength is judged on this site.

VBW's striking strength page specifically states that striking strength is the amount of physical force a character can deal out in a single strike: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Striking_Strength

It took dozens of hits for Jack-6 to destroy the asteroid so I personally don't think we should use the feat at all.

Jack-6's initial punches wore down the asteroid to some degree.

2. Demon Jinpachi's power comes from a random Demonic Spirit that possessed him.

There isn't anything that suggests Possessed Jinpachi uses chi as a power source.

So I still think it counts as environmental destruction.

 

[Dust_Collector]

1. That's always been how striking strength is judged on this site.

VBW's striking strength page specifically states that striking strength is the amount of force a character can deliver in 1 strike: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Striking_Strength

It took dozens of hits for Jack-46 to destroy the asteroid so I personally don't think we should use the feat at all.

I'm well aware of how striking strength is judged, it's just that it only took 1 hit to destroy the asteroid (Everything else barely did chip damage). I think the 6-C feat is valid and usable but my question is just if it even scales to anyone, like I said earlier it looks like one of those instances where the character is a certain tier with just a single attack. Jack-6 can perform that 6-C feat with a single strike, but that single strike is way above his normal level of strength to the point that he shatters his arm doing it so he might the only one that gets a tier 6 rating. He'd basically be whatever attack potency normally, Island level via that one move or whatever that actually destroyed the asteroid, and nothing outside of his AP for that one attack would scale to the feat.

2. Demon Jinpachi's power comes from a random Demonic Spirit that possessed him.

There isn't anything that suggests Possessed Jinpachi uses chi as a power source.

I see. Does that demonic spirit use the same energy to perform the feat that it uses to empower Jinpachi (Like, is there demon energy or something that it uses)? Just spitballing here, if it doesn't use the same source of power to do that tier 7 feat as it does to make Jinpachi stronger than yeah it's def environmental destruction.

 

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I think the cellular compounds might be the closest thing we have to chi in Tekken, though this would only apply to Devil Gene users, Jinpachi included.

Jinpachi doesn't have the Devil Gene according to WoG:




https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/22446874077

 

[Continuum19]

I'm well aware of how striking strength is judged, it's just that it only took 1 hit to destroy the asteroid (Everything else barely did chip damage). I think the 6-C feat is valid and usable but my question is just if it even scales to anyone, like I said earlier it looks like one of those instances where the character is a certain tier with just a single attack. Jack-6 can perform that 6-C feat with a single strike, but that single strike is way above his normal level of strength to the point that he shatters his arm doing it so he might the only one that gets a tier 6 rating. He'd basically be whatever attack potency normally, Island level via that one move or whatever that actually destroyed the asteroid, and nothing outside of his AP for that one attack would scale to the feat.


I see. Does that demonic spirit use the same energy to perform the feat that it uses to empower Jinpachi (Like, is there demon energy or something that it uses)? Just spitballing here, if it doesn't use the same source of power to do that tier 7 feat as it does to make Jinpachi stronger than yeah it's def environmental destruction.

1. It's impossible to know how much damage Jack-6's initial punches did to the asteroid just by eyeballing it so I still think it's best to scrap the feat.

2. We don't know much about the Demonic Spirit but VBS generally doesn't scale weather manipulation feats to attack potency nowadays without solid evidence.

I think Jinpachi's feat fits the bill for environmental destruction: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Environmental_Destruction

 

[SirAlex09]

I would argue that the ten times multiplier refers to the tissue density similar to how Asgardians from Marvel have three times the tissue density of humans. At the very least this would apply to striking strength since there is alot more mass behind their strikes as well as durability.

 

[Continuum19]

I think the 6-C feat is valid and usable but my question is just if it even scales to anyone, like I said earlier it looks like one of those instances where the character is a certain tier with just a single attack. Jack-6 can perform that 6-C feat with a single strike, but that single strike is way above his normal level of strength to the point that he shatters his arm doing it so he might the only one that gets a tier 6 rating. He'd basically be whatever attack potency normally, Island level via that one move or whatever that actually destroyed the asteroid, and nothing outside of his AP for that one attack would scale to the feat.

This specific point is pretty interesting though.

Additionally, Jack-6 has to use a lot of thrust from his jetpack to destroy the asteroid as well.

No other version of Jack-6 has a jetpack.

 

[Continuum19]

I would argue that the ten times multiplier refers to the tissue density similar to how Asgardians from Marvel have three times the tissue density of humans. At the very least this would apply to striking strength since there is alot more mass behind their strikes as well as durability.

Tissue density and cellular compounds aren't the same thing to my knowledge.

There's also the fact that were using a multiplier from a semi-canon source.

 

[Dust_Collector]

2. We don't know much about the Demonic Spirit but VBS generally doesn't scale weather manipulation feats to attack potency nowadays without solid evidence.

We do if the same energy to do those weather manipulation feats is also used for other things like energy attacks or amping physical strikes, although if nothing much is actually known about the demonic spirit than I guess we don't have a solid reason to assume the weather feat scales to anything else.

 

[Continuum19]

We do if the same energy to do those weather manipulation feats is also used for other things like energy attacks or amping physical strikes, although if nothing much is actually known about the demonic spirit than I guess we don't have a solid reason to assume the weather feat scales to anything else.

Yup.

 

[RanaProGamer]

I think the best we got is that the Storm feat only happens when he goes Devil mode

 

[Continuum19]

Not a fan of using endings like this but apparently we're chill with it

Do you agree with the revisions so far bro?

 

[Continuum19]

I suppose getting a few content moderators to comment on this sooner rather than later is a good idea.

@Just_a_Random_Butler @Zaratthustra @ElixirBlue @Nehz_XZX

 

[SamanPatou]

I'll give my own thoughts sooner or later, but first I want to hear @BlackDarkness679 's opinion and have a calc member take a look at both versions of the meteor calc.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

i said numerous times.....that future CRTs will be made for the verse in future to revise them, at this point, you are desperate af, let alone you purposely ignore shit only to sneak in your lies out of spite, cuz this is nothing else to call it, your issues with the verse literally exists since Saman revised Street Fighter series

Firstly, Jack-6's asteroid feat was recalced and downgraded from 6-B to 6-C: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Shmeatywerbenmanjenson/Jack_6_Destroys_a_Meteor ]

the calc isnt even accepted......and its only for the meteor destruction, not the KE, which was proven last time KE was stopped, you aint downgrading anything with this, funny how quick you go for unaccepted stuff

It also took more than one attack for Jack-6 to destroy the asteroid and we don't know how many total hits it took for him destroy it.

points adressed since last thread, irrelevant and they did no dmg at all compared to the strike that destroyed both in the end, they got debunked

Additionally, Jack-6's feat is a massive outlier.

no its not and outlier isnt defined by the number of feats in a certain range, something you were told by another user in the last thread, but ofc you ignored it over the headcanon you run, let alone other things in the verse say otherwise, which once again you ignore

Not even Tekken's top tier characters have feats in the 6-C range.

they have but you clearly dont know, due to you not knowing the tekken series as you try to make it out

So with all of that being said Azazel and Jinpachi's "world destroying" statements no longer have any feats to support them so I believe it's best to scale the top tiers to the next best feats that have calcs attached to them.

Jinpachi and Azazel statements werent reliant on Jack 6 feat, they were accepted well before tag 2 and blood vengeance were, those were added literally by a staff that was a supporter of the series after much discussion about them, they aint getting removed

Demon Jinpachi's feat is most likely environmental destruction and Devil Kazuya's 7-A feat has an unknown time frame: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:BlackDarkness679/Tekken:_Jinpachi_Storm

Once again has been adressed since last thread, Jinpachi transformations into his demon form causes the storm and sustains it all time, his death makes it cease and return the stage back to how it was previously, its physical transformation, not environmental dmg

The only other feat that we can scale the top tiers to is Gun Jack's Tier 7 feat: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Crimson_Azoth/Assorted_Tekken_Feats_-_Tekken

top tiers have better stuff then this and the calc is wrong anyway, it doesnt take in account the location the feat occurs, aka is lower then it should be, as well as a feat of an old model which its future models surpass it, as we are told each Jack gets better from last one, not gonna scale characters to a feat that characters above them by a lot have far outmatched for several sequels

The next best feat to scale the mid tiers to would be Feng Wei's 8-B volcano feat: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Antoniofer/Feng_Crush_Lava

no this is feat is far too low for the characters and Feng Wei is not a mid tier, stop tiering the characters based on nothing concrete

Feng Wei also has a mountain destroying feat that could put them higher but it hasn't been calced on this site yet to my knowledge:

Same as above, too low and is not representing the tier accurately

AP & SPEED DOWNGRADE

The only person this section effects is Kazumi Mishima.

Firstly, I don't think it's reasonable to scale Kazumi to sub-rel and/or relativistic speeds or Tier 6 and/or 7 feats.

All those feats happened decades after she died.

Kazumi's current ratings are based off of the fact that she fought a young Heihachi but he wouldn't scale either.

70 year old Heihachi would curbstomp 20 year old Heihachi.

Heihachi has only gotten stronger, faster and tougher with age.

Normal humans grow weaker as they age but Heihachi Mishima isn't a normal human.

I think it's best to scale Kazumi to the low tier Tekken characters.

Kazumi isnt a low tier first of all, second of all Young Heihachi fights against Feng Wei in one of the openings of the games, as well as the fact Kazumi tells a top tier, Akuma, to go end him, speaks volumes on how strong Young Heihachi is, current Heihachi being above his past self has no relevance in here, Kazumi is in a tier below Young Heihachi anyway, she wont be scaling 1:1 from him

LIFTING STRENGTH DOWNGRADES

Panda performed a Class K feat by lifting a giant Mokujin leg during Tekken Blood Vengeance (a semi-canon film)

The problem with using this feat to scale the characters with is that there are several other comparable or superior characters who have struggled with considerably less weight in 100% canon sources.

debunked from last time, nothing but your headcanon again here, when i did my revision on lifting i asked if Class K was good or if there was a better option to it and was approved by staffs at that level and none of the characters you mention struggle in any of these

Craig Marduk lifting a vehicle:

Craig's grunts suggest to me that he's struggling to hold the vehicle over his head.

yeah sure, show me a concrete thing he struggles besides your usual lie and interpretation, man looks mad and tosses the car just so he can rage out more afterwards, that isnt struggling, also for your info he grunts even when he picks up or tosses other characters in mid air, unless you wanna argue that he struggles to toss even characters as small as Xiaoyu then drop it out

Bryan Fury ripping a tank turret off:

Bryan clearly struggled to tear the turret off.

once again no sign of such existing, where is he struggling??? this man carries, lifts and tosses steel beams like nothing, let alone on that ending he literally swings the turret you point out he struggles, clearly annoyed at the soldiers and laughs after

Raven flipping NANCY:

Raven's grunts clearly demonstrate the strain he's under as he flips NANCY over.

Raven literally stops his strikes both after and before he flips him and once again, no signs of struggling, grunting isnt meaning anything, purely headcanon from you

Tekken's characters would get downgraded to either Class 50 or Class 100 if these revisions are accepted.

unless any of these characters fail to lift these or is actually shown they have trouble, you aint downgrading anything, Ryu in an ending is sweating from holding a boulder, despite street fighter has characters like zangief with Class M lifting and he grunts as well during those feats, yet you see them downgraded? No

Demon Jinpachi's boulder lifting feat should be Class 100 but it probably has to be calced first:

hope you realize human Jinpachi holds that thing and did for decades, even tag 2 has an item move which is him gaining that boulder to just attack the opponent with and demon jinpachi isnt in tag 2

BONUS: DEVIL GENE MULTIPLIER REVISION

I watched the Tekken Blood Vengeance film and it specifically stated that the Devil Gene provides a 10x increase to Devil Kazuya's cellular compounds: https://youtu.be/sfyQnTnbeaE?t=5m48s

It never mentioned power or strength.

this is nitpicking at this point, it draws a comparison when we are told that and shown how he so casually overpowers Jin so bad its a stomp, let alone later he breaks Alisa in two, a character on Jack 6 level just by taking a simple and casual step, the multiplier applies to physicals

I'm pretty knowledgeable on Tekken and I'm certain that Jack-6's feat is the only 6-C feat in the entire verse.

There is absolutely nothing else.

I think it's best to downgrade the verse personally.

no you are not, and there is more in regards to tier 6 power

Jinpachi DR feat and dont pull me "it wasnt accepted", neither did your jack 6 calc and even so, that shows a character performing something in tier 6 range

Mishima Zaibatsu are pointed to have power that can take over the world, aka their military strength surpasses what we have to offer, which is again under tier 6 range

Jack is pointed to have tier 6 power too, besides the fact we are told of Zaibatsu that too on a different ocassion

i seen how much knowledgeable you were, next to zero, let alone you lie on the previously mentioned stuff, i have been following the verse since 2017 and researched of it till this day, nobody in here has the same amount of knowledge as i have, let alone researched it as much

Not gonna let you do any downgrade, especially one as poor as this and out of spite, its gonna be revised when i have my CRTs out to revise them accordingly, which i already pointed since the start with all needed

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I am inclined to agree with BlackDarkness, and no offense intended, but there have been far too many whataboutism heavy motives for downgrading verses as of late. The 6-C calc needs a calc group member to evaluate it and even so, it's more so for a different aspect of the meteor and a separate feat entirely and not the same feat that otherwise still holds weight. Also, Tekken's story is more "Shounen" like compared to other fighting game verses where characters actually have their own feats and most of those "Antifeats" aren't actually antifeats but just some extremely casual low end feats. It doesn't share the issues of other Fighting game verses such as "Their best feats come from sources dubbed as non-canon" or in other cases there have been canon interviews about bullets being threats where as Tekken's interviews and characters statements consistently state the exact opposite.

 

[Continuum19]

i said numerous times.....that future CRTs will be made for the verse in future to revise them, at this point, you are desperate af, let alone you purposely ignore shit only to sneak in your lies out of spite, cuz this is nothing else to call it, your issues with the verse literally exists since Saman revised Street Fighter series


the calc isnt even accepted......and its only for the meteor destruction, not the KE, which was proven last time KE was stopped, you aint downgrading anything with this, funny how quick you go for unaccepted stuff

points adressed since last thread, irrelevant and they did no dmg at all compared to the strike that destroyed both in the end, they got debunked

no its not and outlier isnt defined by the number of feats in a certain range, something you were told by another user in the last thread, but ofc you ignored it over the headcanon you run, let alone other things in the verse say otherwise, which once again you ignore

they have but you clearly dont know, due to you not knowing the tekken series as you try to make it out

Jinpachi and Azazel statements werent reliant on Jack 6 feat, they were accepted well before tag 2 and blood vengeance were, those were added literally by a staff that was a supporter of the series after much discussion about them, they aint getting removed

Once again has been adressed since last thread, Jinpachi transformations into his demon form causes the storm and sustains it all time, his death makes it cease and return the stage back to how it was previously, its physical transformation, not environmental dmg

top tiers have better stuff then this and the calc is wrong anyway, it doesnt take in account the location the feat occurs, aka is lower then it should be, as well as a feat of an old model which its future models surpass it, as we are told each Jack gets better from last one, not gonna scale characters to a feat that characters above them by a lot have far outmatched for several sequels

no this is feat is far too low for the characters and Feng Wei is not a mid tier, stop tiering the characters based on nothing concrete

Same as above, too low and is not representing the tier accurately

Kazumi isnt a low tier first of all, second of all Young Heihachi fights against Feng Wei in one of the openings of the games, as well as the fact Kazumi tells a top tier, Akuma, to go end him, speaks volumes on how strong Young Heihachi is, current Heihachi being above his past self has no relevance in here, Kazumi is in a tier below Young Heihachi anyway, she wont be scaling 1:1 from him

debunked from last time, nothing but your headcanon again here, when i did my revision on lifting i asked if Class K was good or if there was a better option to it and was approved by staffs at that level and none of the characters you mention struggle in any of these

yeah sure, show me a concrete thing he struggles besides your usual lie and interpretation, man looks mad and tosses the car just so he can rage out more afterwards, that isnt struggling, also for your info he grunts even when he picks up or tosses other characters in mid air, unless you wanna argue that he struggles to toss even characters as small as Xiaoyu then drop it out

once again no sign of such existing, where is he struggling??? this man carries, lifts and tosses steel beams like nothing, let alone on that ending he literally swings the turret you point out he struggles, clearly annoyed at the soldiers and laughs after

Raven literally stops his strikes both after and before he flips him and once again, no signs of struggling, grunting isnt meaning anything, purely headcanon from you

unless any of these characters fail to lift these or is actually shown they have trouble, you aint downgrading anything, Ryu in an ending is sweating from holding a boulder, despite street fighter has characters like zangief with Class M lifting and he grunts as well during those feats, yet you see them downgraded? No

hope you realize human Jinpachi holds that thing and did for decades, even tag 2 has an item move which is him gaining that boulder to just attack the opponent with and demon jinpachi isnt in tag 2

this is nitpicking at this point, it draws a comparison when we are told that and shown how he so casually overpowers Jin so bad its a stomp, let alone later he breaks Alisa in two, a character on Jack 6 level just by taking a simple and casual step, the multiplier applies to physicals

no you are not, and there is more in regards to tier 6 power

Jinpachi DR feat and dont pull me "it wasnt accepted", neither did your jack 6 calc and even so, that shows a character performing something in tier 6 range

Mishima Zaibatsu are pointed to have power that can take over the world, aka their military strength surpasses what we have to offer, which is again under tier 6 range

Jack is pointed to have tier 6 power too, besides the fact we are told of Zaibatsu that too on a different ocassion

i seen how much knowledgeable you were, next to zero, let alone you lie on the previously mentioned stuff, i have been following the verse since 2017 and researched of it till this day, nobody in here has the same amount of knowledge as i have, let alone researched it as much

Not gonna let you do any downgrade, especially one as poor as this and out of spite, its gonna be revised when i have my CRTs out to revise them accordingly, which i already pointed since the start with all needed

I don't know why you keep insisting that Street Fighter has anything to do with this.

You need to stop with the conspiracy theories.

Now to address your points.

1. Saman said that he contacted a member of the calc group to check both calcs so I guess we'll just have to wait and see which version of the calc is accurate.

2. Nothing was debunked.

VBS's striking strength page specifically states that the physical force delivered in 1 strike is what is used to scale characters to said striking strength.

3. Here is VBS's definition of outlier: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...QtwJ6BAgbEAE&usg=AOvVaw1IOOrbN9llnsy8bt0erqFg

Jack-6's asteroid feat definitely applies.

4. Just because Jinpachi's transformation causes the storm doesn't mean it scales to all of his other stats.

5. Kazumi is definitely a a low tier character and Young Heihachi fighting Feng Wei is obvious nonsense.

Heihachi is many decades older than Feng.

It's much more reasonable to assume that Akuma from several decades in the past is simply much weaker than he is in the current story rather than assume he was always a top tier.

6. Craig's grunts are a clear indication that he is struggling to lift the car over his head.

Craig lifting something in an intro and him lifting something in gameplay aren't the same thing.

7. Bryan is clearly struggling to tear the tank's turret off at first.

It's clear as day.

8. Cellular compounds is too vague of a statement in my opinion and Tekken Blood Vengeance is a semi-canon source regardless so I still don't think it should be used.

9. I'm fine with leaving the new version of Jack-6 meteor calc by the wayside until it gets accepted.

10. Having enough power to take over the world isn't a Tier 6 feat and multiple members of the community have agreed with my revisions already.

If I can get a few more the downgrades are going through whether you like it or not.

 

[SirAlex09]

Kazumi is definitely a a low tier character and Young Heihachi fighting Feng Wei is obvious nonsense.

Heihachi is many decades older than Feng.

He is refering to TT2 Opening. Still I agree with your overall opinion

 

[Continuum19]

He is refering to TT2 Opening. Still I agree with your overall opinion

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't BlackDarkness arguing that Young Heihachi canonically fought Feng Wei?

Because I don't think that's possible.