Massive Pokemon revisions concerning " Legendary Scaling " throughout the Pokemon Games

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

As i mentioned in this Blog , i discussed the scaling issues with Legendaries and figured out a way to scale them. Even if it is not accepted to the Champions/Rivals portion , we should still have a chance to apply the Playable Character Profiles . I just thought this revision could go well, but it is a bit massive, and would require a lot of help to pull off. I would really recommend feedback ( please nothing unpleasant ) , and would love to discuss this completely with everyone before this is either closed or decided. This isn't going to upgrade the entire verse , but it will apply to a lot of differing trainers, and trainers to be on this site .

 

[Dark649]

I'm currently handling the new scaling of the trainers and your way for scaling is not to be considered because the trainers that are able to fight legendary Pokemon from the player are able to do so because of game mechanic or they would end up stomped. If the plot requires it then there are several conclusions: PIS/Outlier, the fights canonically ended as a stomp, the legendary pokemon suppressed himself and non-canon bonus places/fights.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

That is exactly the way i thought someone would oppose this. Wow, you fit exactly how i predicted it playing out . Not to be considered at all ? Really now... However, to be honest , i am very uncertain of your reasoning here Dark . How can you straight up say the fights that happen in storyline are implied to be stomps ? When was it confirmed ? You came at me with points you can't prove directly within ANY of the games. They have linked games using non-canon bonus places/fights several times ( Cynthia mentioning Lucas when fighting Nate , ORAS connected to Sun and Moon via the time barriers created by UB , etc. ) , and the fights with legendaries are offically canon within the storyline. If the legendary pokemon was truly suppressing themselves, they would have at least implied it . I have watched an walkthough of every game that is currently available twice each , and no where was it implied they were suppressing themselves. Please don't give me these points if you are attempting to downgrade them using information you cannot support . Mines is basing it direclty on teh storyline, something you cannot debunk unless you attempt to debunk the trainers and their accomplishments .

Humans in the games have far more potential overall than their anime counterparts. I mean, just look at the amount of potential Red has over Ash. I am not syaing they are naturally superior, i am saying that Red had more potential, potential he fully unlocked within the Battle Tree as it's leader . Game mechanics have nothing to do with my original points except for one mentioning ( which also proved a point ) , you are attempting to downgrade what happened offically in the storyline out of some Game Mechanics. Trainers can and has defeated Legendaries multitude of times in the Games, far more than even in the anime . This isn't something you can downgrade simply with such a cheap tactic.

 

[Dark649]

This is not cheap tactics, i'm using logic. It's inconsistent to think than a normal trainer, who has Pokémon with higher levels than a legendary like Lv┬░ 30 Deoxys and can take it down with one Pokemon of his team is Moon level, the scaling doesn't work this way.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Levels had nothing to do with my scaling here Dark . None of the pokemon trainers who scaled to the playable trainers are " normal " in a sense to what i am implying. That what you are implying is Game Mechanics, and plus technically you aren't implied to have caught any legendaries , you have either fought or weakneed them within the storyline. Scaling to story-Legendaries, not just your run of the mill legendary that you use randomly for more than just the story . Within the canon story , you were never implied to have legendaries . You only did if you used one from other save files and many others things that allow you to do as such. I am not trying to be rude or unreasonable, it is just that i personally beleive scaling to the legendaries you straight up fight within the story mode should be applicable . I am scaling to story mode, something that game mechanics doesn't disprove, while any other instance throughout pokemon's history it would.

There is a reason i only used one Game Mechanic's example, as anything outside of story purposes, using legendaries outside of the story to me , THAT is what i believe to be Game Mechanics. Not the story mode and the champion fights, but what happens outside the story. Not add-ons to the story , but something completely and utterly otuside the game lore These are examples of what i personally believe are Game Mechanics : ( Examples : ORAS and the Hoopa Rings { Going from Kyogre to freaking Palkia without any proof he can fight them is far too stupid to even consider to count } , Roaming Legendaries in general , [ Fighting Gym Leaders , Elite Four Members , Champions ,and random trainers with Wonder Traded Legendaries ] , and many other such examples ) . Your logic only applies if we aren't talking about what happens explicitly within the story, or something that happens to enhance the story and pull more depth into it, or things that happen to connect other timelines within the game verse. Those are the points i explicitly have in the blog, i do not have anything having to do with Game Mechanics except when it is applied to the story mode ONLY .

 

[Dark649]

No matter what you will say this will not be accepted because it is impossible for the player or all the other trainers six Pokemon [Even combined] to match a legendary like Giratina for example. The most logical conclusion is that the player used a lucky ball or master ball to catch it, but then the next most logical conclusion is that he stomped every trainers if he used Giratina because even if trained at the fullest it is impossible for millions of millions of pokemon in a canon setting to even reach Palkia or Dialga, who can universe bust. If it is implied in your heacanon that Cynthia Garchomp damaged Giratina, than its PIS because of what i said before and because universal power-ups for her or other trainers does not exist and its extremely inconsistent for her team to be more powerful than the pokemon that governs time or space.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Just like Dark, I disagree with this.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Okay. Not trying to soind harsh, but You are sound kinda desperate from here. Honestly using something like this to fuel your points ... Anyways. Various other sources other than just the canon games hint at an Pokemon's potential being able to reach legendary level. The mystery dungeon games for instance, as well as the Pokemon Ranger games. They are non-canon sure, but give their potential none the less. You are saying it doesn't exist. No offense Dark but that does not sound right. The games never implied that a trainer & his bpokemon couldnt get this strong anyways. It is the equivalent of sayong that an base pokempn can only get so high, which is clearly not what they imply in the games.

I was never implying this is "just" my point of view. My point of view, if it was just headcanon ,wouldnt be upported by the games . It was abundantly, so in fact my supposed headcanon is what occured. I never said she did, she scales to someone who did hurt Unsealed Giratina. There's a differnce.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Seed Drop it. This is not happening. We've long decided that this won't happen. I don't care what you think. We are not doing this and I'm closing this as it is nothing but wank.