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Malgax's punch is high 5-A. Diamondhead doesn’t scale to high 5-A. You yourself said that earlier.
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Massive Ben 10 Revisions Part 1 (2020 Corona edition)
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A High 5-A that was holding back.....
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Prove it.
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I don't have to prove something like that that's like saying "Prove that Ssjb goku was holding back against Krillin" there is no actual proof that Malgax was launching a high 5-A attack either anyway
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@Firestorm808 I dont personally see a way we can take the actual timeframe we see into account, cinematic timing could lead us anywhere in this scene.
I think that Diamondhead would have to be punched at escape velocity for obvious reasons, but that wouldn't be ok for our KE standards.
Diamondhead would slow down until impact however. So the energy released on impact would be much less than that escape velocity energy anyway. Honestly Diamondhead falling at his own terminal velocity will likely yield less than the crater he makes, so this is more than fair imo.
I think that Diamondhead would have to be punched at escape velocity for obvious reasons, but that wouldn't be ok for our KE standards.
Diamondhead would slow down until impact however. So the energy released on impact would be much less than that escape velocity energy anyway. Honestly Diamondhead falling at his own terminal velocity will likely yield less than the crater he makes, so this is more than fair imo.
That doesn't change the fact that Diamondheads terminal velocity is not gonna be anywhere near escape velocity.
Those visuals are all from different distances, just because he moves the same distance across the screen doesn't mean he moved the same distance relative to the world around him.
no, not at all.
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no kaioken.
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This isn’t Dragon Ball where ki control exists. Now prove it.
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Okay prove that Goku was using ki control to hold back against Krillin I'm waiting
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I do not care whether or not Goku was holding back. This isn’t a DB revision but a Ben 10 one. They got nothing to do with one another. So I will ask you again. What shows that Vilgax was holding back?
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Malgax fisting Diamondhead probably doesn't scale since from my limited knowledge of Ben 10 the blastitch doesn't much hold back.
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This sounds like an attempt to shift focus away from Ben 10 because you’re losing the argument
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the universe was not destroyed.
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1)And I don't care if you don't care I have the right to use any other verse as an example as long as they are using the same logic you have yet to tell me why Ben 10 should be treated as an exception.
2)Nothing proves that Malgax was launching a High 5-A attack at Diamondhead since that's something that you are the one who need to prove.
3) why would Malgax go all out against a massively weaker alien mind telling me?
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Ben 10 is not = dragonball
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Plus Dragon Ball is getting a verse-wide revision, it's scaling doesn't matter here in the first place regardless.
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if we're gonna assume malware was holding back, I dunno why we're arguing that it wasn't tier 8 or something anyway, we see the crater, we know Diamondhead would slow upon impact. So there's nothing wrong here.
If we dont assume malware is holding back, then it's an outlier. Simple.
Ben 10 isn't dragon ball. Nor is it any other verse, we look at feats in the Ben 10 verse and compare to Ben 10.
If we dont assume malware is holding back, then it's an outlier. Simple.
Ben 10 isn't dragon ball. Nor is it any other verse, we look at feats in the Ben 10 verse and compare to Ben 10.
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@Gohanblanco217 If you can't prove it and just speaking an baseless headcanon then just drop it, right now you just made yourself can't accepting reality
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Grammar 100
Jokes aside I don't think the Diamondhead feat can be used for anything but the crater
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Nice grammar and I'm pretty sure saying Malgax was launching a High 5-A attack with 0 proof is the real headcanon here not like I care anymore the changes has been applied so this should be closed
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I find you are a bit annoying some time, but fine
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Even if we had Diamaondhead shoot halfway to Galvan B in 5 minutes, the energy pre-calc would be 7-C. A full minute would be High 7-C
Even if we had Diamaondhead shoot halfway to Galvan B in 5 minutes, the energy pre-calc would be 7-C. A full minute would be High 7-C
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You said this like two to three times dude. You literally did not make a new point. All you did was repeat yourself.
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@Zamasu_Chan
The energy of launching something into space and the energy of something falling to a planet's surface are two different energy calculations.
The energy of launching something into space and the energy of something falling to a planet's surface are two different energy calculations.
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…But you said that already. Plenty of times. And it doesn’t change what we said.
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@KieranH10 Can you walk me through how the site rules are being applied to the given scenario. I'm confused.
Let's say a guy hits a 1 kg and 1m^2 ball into near orbit (160 km) within 10 seconds. The ball then falls back to Earth with a terminal velocity of about 7 m/s hitting the surface and leaving respective damage.
The landing damage is calculated to be 24.5 Joules of Energy.
For the initial launch, the ball would have needed 16000 Joules of Energy applied to it.
Why would we rate the hit as 24.5 J or 16000 J?
Going back to the Saitama getting kicked to the moon example, the accepted calc on Boro's page is using Speed KE, not the damage done by Saitama's landing on the moon.
Let's say a guy hits a 1 kg and 1m^2 ball into near orbit (160 km) within 10 seconds. The ball then falls back to Earth with a terminal velocity of about 7 m/s hitting the surface and leaving respective damage.
The landing damage is calculated to be 24.5 Joules of Energy.
For the initial launch, the ball would have needed 16000 Joules of Energy applied to it.
Why would we rate the hit as 24.5 J or 16000 J?
Going back to the Saitama getting kicked to the moon example, the accepted calc on Boro's page is using Speed KE, not the damage done by Saitama's landing on the moon.
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A lot of feats in fiction use the calculated kinetic energy, which is generally fine.
In this case, the impact that Diamondhead creates does not correspond well with how much energy would be required for him to get hit between planets. So assuming a highest value would inflate the calc imo.
Saitamas calc on the other hand, does fit well with that required energy iirc. There's visible damage to even the moon from that impact. Which is consistent or at least takes into account that the amount of energy needed for that would be huge. Unlike Diamondheads case.
There's also the fact that the feat is literally taking a hit from a High 5-A. Who we can't prove is holding back. So it likely shouldn't be used at all anyways.
In this case, the impact that Diamondhead creates does not correspond well with how much energy would be required for him to get hit between planets. So assuming a highest value would inflate the calc imo.
Saitamas calc on the other hand, does fit well with that required energy iirc. There's visible damage to even the moon from that impact. Which is consistent or at least takes into account that the amount of energy needed for that would be huge. Unlike Diamondheads case.
There's also the fact that the feat is literally taking a hit from a High 5-A. Who we can't prove is holding back. So it likely shouldn't be used at all anyways.
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I'll take that as a compliment thanks.
But wasn't this because Diamondhead got slowed down?
You are the one who need to prove that Malgax somehow needed to launch a High 5-A attack at a weak alien which there is 0 evidence supporting it
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Riddle me this Gohan: how many times has Malgax actually held back?
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yes, but saitama only scales to his calculation because he did not slow down, so tanked the impact of those speeds. Diamondhead did not.
As has been said by others he very rarely holds back, and I don't see why he would here. Why would he hit Diamondhead with an attack so much weaker than his normal ones for no reason?
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Um, I have a question, if Dhead tanked an attack that sent him into orbit all the way to a moon, then why do you need a crater or impact when he already tanked the attack.
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Then can't we just calculate the amount of energy it takes to punch someone to the moon? I'm not an expert on this kind of stuff so Idk but it should be possible , no?
The real question is why would Malgax launch a high 5-A attack against a massively weaker alien for no reason?
The only moment when he wasn't holding back is when he was facing Atomix who is a tier 5 character iirc
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because the crater is giving us much lower values than the attack in question, making the feat inconsistent. it's more fair imo to use the crater because we know he'd slow down upon impact too.
We'd need a lot more values, our only options are to use escape velocity of the planet, the crater, or somehow find Diamondheads terminal velocity on the planet he lands on. Two out of the three are lower in tier by a large margin making it more consistent.
To kill it.
I can really argue for this point much myself since I dunno enough about omniverse. So I guess someone else can answer that...
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So you're saying in the ball example I gave that the batter's hit would only be rated as 24.5 J?
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