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Mashle revision - WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE

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LIFE_OF_KING

LIFE_OF_KING

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You guys literally removed all resistances and didn't even remove the tabber. How considerable. Not a "I'm going to downgrade this character that nobody cares and then leave the profile as sewer shit" bit
I agree that the profile was crap and needed several revisions, but if you want to improve it at least do it right and with help of someone who really knows about the verse
Previous thread
I would recomend to read the previous thread first

P&A
Acrobatics
First, the definition of acrobat:
  • involving or able to perform difficult and attractive body movements
    • "an acrobatic leap into the air"
  • involving a lot of skill and energy in controlling the movement of your body to do something difficult
    • Karate is a very acrobatic martial art
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Now the site definition
Acrobatics is defined as the technique of performing maneuvers of balance, dexterity, agility, and coordination. In fiction, the levels of acrobatics can vary between simply performing extraordinary human movements to defiance of the laws of gravity and movement.

Possible Uses​

  • Hypermobility: The user is capable of performing extremely agile movements with their body that could cause pain or even notable injuries to the vast majority of other people under the same conditions, including surviving falls by simply maneuvering.
  • All-Terrain Mobility: The user does not suffer any negative effects by moving in different types of terrains: closed spaces, slippery surfaces, collapsing structures. The user could hardly lose balance and speed in such terrains.
  • Self-Momentum: The character controls their own movements, being capable of accelerating and decelerating quickly with no issues, by physical means, such as pushing against a surface or grabbing an object mid-air, in order to change one's direction.
  • Surface Running: By stepping on any solid (or even liquid) surface and continuing to move, the user is capable of moving on walls, ceilings, and other irregular surfaces. Unlike Surface Scaling, a user needs to keep their speed in order to keep moving across the surface, falling back once they lose momentum.
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Now lets see the bullshit
  • Crawling quickly as a baby isn’t evidence of Acrobatics
Literally it is, that is, it would be, if you had not ignored the text of the image.
He can do a ******* perfect curve without losing speed. Mash is literally ignoraning the momentum lose
  • nor is making a 90 degree turn “without losing momentum.” The user also claims he didn’t lose momentum yet the scan doesn’t imply this.
Here the scan. Mash is not losing speed on the perfect 90 degree turn, and do you know what that means? Self-Momentum
Supernatural Willpower
  • Mash was never presented to have fought with a broken spine
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Afterimage Creation
  • These aren’t stated to afterimages, it is simply an artistic impression to show case multiple movements in a single panel
We don't need it to be stated when the thing is shown. The argument is limited by saying that it is just an artistic style without evidence of it. Several characters in Mashle move fast as **** and show no afterimages, it's just Mash (and sometimes Doom), no one else. Every afterimage of Mash in the scan has a speed effect to show that he is in constant motion

Also, at the beginning of the battle against Doom both showed to create afterimages against each other
Also also, any basic punching sequence from Mash creates afterimage
  • Tricking people into thinking your clothes are you isn’t afterimage creation
I didn't know that Mash's head was part of his clothes.
Literally Orter, one of the greatest geniuses in the universe, who is able to keep up against invicible attacks that ignore extrasensory perception and FTE movements was believing that he had killed Mash. He is neither dumb nor blind, he would realize if it was just a few silly clothes in the air
Reactive Evolution
  • as it’s never stated Mash couldn’t resist this ability nor is it confirmed that he can naturally adapt to abilities like this
Mash can adapt to magical effects.
There is a room in which gravity increases exponentially every 10 minutes, in the first instant Mash could not even move. Yes, Mash could not move twice his body weight, the same ******* guy who is Class Z. Not only that, but Mash previously proved strong enough to ignore the gravitational force that was enough to crush a large area of a forest. So it is quite obvious that gravity in that room ignored the strength of the person. And guess what? Some time later Mash was able to move around in that room without difficulty, something that previously he needed the unlimited mode to do.
Furthermore, to support that gravitational magics are able to ignore resistances, high level wizards are able to protect themselves from the effects of gravity, however Lance, someone who can control gravity, after increasing the quality of his spells could affect even wizards infinitely stronger than him and who also has this kind of protection
Extrasensory Perception and Minor Information Analysis
  • Mash himself cannot perceive the aura’s of his opponent or see the statistic of his opponent’s, the evidence on the profile only shows his muscles twitching in the presence of a powerful opponent
Mash first feels the opponent's aura, he look at Margarette and then his muscles warn him.
Also, Mash could sense Zero prescense without the muscles warning him
  • He himself cannot depict how strong so this ability should limited
Mash can sense when an attack is going to finish him off before the attack even happens and tell the difference between him and the opponent. Not only that, but he can also sense when an opponent has a hidden power
False? You admitted that Mash could feel the difference between him and Zero, the only problem is that you didn't read the the scans. The shadow thing is not the attack, it is Zero's aura that shows up sometimes. This happens even with "random" wizards within the series, so its just the ******* magic power.
And the "physically felt" thing was pulled out of the ass. I mean, if Mash felt the touch of a shadow magic I suppose we could put non-physical interaction for Mash, right?
Limited Self Kinetic Energy Control
  • his ability is linking to Physics Manipulation which is described as “the ability to distort, alter, and manipulate the laws of physics and the fundamental forces that govern natural phenomena in the universe” the evidence on the page doesn’t state nor imply what the justification states. It never says “mash can exert the same level of power despite being slowed down or attacking an opponent with a graze” which is what the Profile creator is saying. Mash has never shown such an ability and having explosive power while slowed downed is just an application of having intense strength.
Y-You didn't explain anything, you didn't even manipulate the context, you just said "no, that's wrong".
Mash's power is considered explosive and having an INSTANTANEOUS FORCE, thats it, the force happens INSTANTLY, no matter if he is moving like a slug or how little he touches the target, something that surprises even his opponents. This is literally controlling the very kinetic energy generated from his movements.
You may not like the word "Physics manipulation", but that's what we use when the character canonically doesn't give a shit about the kinect energy of his own body.
Accelerated Development
  • Mash “learning” how to swim shouldn’t be a justification of this ability. Mash never learned the fundamentals of said ability, but used his overwhelming arm strength to quickly maneuver underwater.
"I have never swam in my life", thats what you said. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to move around in the water with such precision without having at least somewhere to stand? He is using the swimming techniques even though he has never practiced or tried them, so I don't see the point. Besides, the son of a bitch can stand still IN THE WATER. TRY IT, I WANT TO SEE YOU GIVING IT A TRY.
  • Him being capable of countering a simplistic attack he has seen before isn’t AD, this should also be removed.


No offense, BUT COME ON.
Cell War's spell was so difficult to deal with that Mash almost died and needed outside help to land a punch. Not only that, but moments earlier the feat Dot was doubting that Mash would be able to win since he had not been able to do anything without help . And then, guess what? MASH TREATED AN ATTACK THAT WAS DEADLY AS A BAD JOKE. Cell himself was surprised since he remembered how shit Mash was against his spells. It's not a question of whether it looks easy or hard, it's a question of narrative, and narratively the ******* attack was hard as **** to fight against

Limited Regeneration
  • Clenching your muscles, something he has to show proof of, to stop bleeding isn’t regenerative powers
In the battle against Abyss he was visibly ****** up, bleeding, "almost dying" from our perspective, however, when Mash crushes his muscles we see that his body is "fine" with even vapor coming out of his body, as if he had been "purified". You can see very clearly that the difference in bleeding from before and after. Not everything has to be written down, you can simply interpret the obvious with common sense.
And although it is not regeneration, this is how we write it when the character just stops the damage by crushing the muscles
  • Mash is never stated to have had his spine “pierced” given the angle this could have easily missed his spine or anything
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WHICH ANGLE? The thing pierced Mash abdomen and penetrated his body, there is not a single indication that he moved . NOTHING INDICATES THIS. Moments later we see that his abdomen and back is exploding with blood, and you say he dodged? LOOK AT THE ******* TRIDENT AND HOW IT IS PIERCING MASH.
  • His shirt doesn’t even have a hole in it. It appears to be one of Mash many instances of tricking his opponents into believing they’ve done one thing despite it not being the case.
Mash's clothes literally have the biggest regeneration in the verse. It's similar to Saitama's, it doesn't make any sense
You dont believe? Okay
He is cut countless times on all sides, and his clothes are intact
He is cut further and further, and his clothes are intact
He is cut again, and his clothes are intact
He is pierced by several thorns, and his clothes are still intact
Do you want me to continue or is that enough?

Besides, if it was a trick it would be explicit
Instinctive Reactions
  • This ability should be limited, as he only showcased such when his creampuffs were being taken away from him
Abel was attacked for taking the cream puff, but that doesn't mean that Mash would attack just because of that. Abel himself says:
He reacts to threats, not only for his cream puffs. Mash simply interprets the idea of someone stealing his candy as a threat, but that doesn't mean it's limited. Why do you think that Abel havent used the same spell again but simple not touching the cream puff?
  • when he is sleeping, which even then his body only preformed certain acts (such as exercise), is such a thing instinctive Reactions?
Yes, it is. Just because he has never fought in his sleep doesn't mean he can't
Density Manipulation
  • Mash has never showcased the ability to change the density of his own body. The justification on his profile claims such but the scan provided doesn’t state this. The scan states that Mash’s body naturally compresses his muscles (a real life phenomenon) to allow him to be so strong without having a large physique. This also allows him to to attack with great force as his muscles act like a compressed spring (real life phenomenon). Mash doesn’t have control over his body’s density, this ability should be removed.
  • "His muscle fibers, which themselves have been compressed to a high density..."
You can't increase the density of your body. You can't make your body increase from 983Kg/m^3 to something bigger. Where are you going to get more mass from? From my ass?
Mash can increase his body density from his muscle fibers, the text is explicit. Not only that but the scans says that his muscles act like steel
Stealth Mastery
  • Mash has never shown the ability to conceal his own presence not has he been shown to be aware of his own “aura”. The people on his profile where shown to be caught off guard or haven’t showcased the ability to see this pressure given off by Mash. This ability should be removed.
Characters can sense Mash's aura even though they did not know of his existence in the place or even expected anything like him. Zero for example didnt know Mash's location and yet was able to sense his existence inside a room. Another good proof that extrasensory perception from wizards is passive is the fact that Zero and Doom were able to sense the visionaries instantly as they approached.
Statistic Amplification
  • Mash is constantly holding back, naming an attack (something he does in series to trick people into thinking he has magic) and doing an impressive feat is simply done by him using more power than usual. Saitama having a casual punch and then a serious punch isn’t statistic amplification for that same reason. This ability should be removed.
Except that Mash uses his amplifiers even when he is at the limit of his bracelets, aka "not holding back except for the extra weights". Mash simply amplifies his speed stats with techniques instead of increasing overall strength in a fight to make it fair
Limited Perception Manipulation
  • Mash himself cannot cause hallucinations. Him choking someone and human biology kicking In doesn’t indicate he has some supernatural ability capable of doing such. It’s like saying stabbing someone and them dying from shock is death manipulation.
One thing to make a person confused by the loss of oxygen, but it is another to make that person imagine that he is winning and not know what is happening. Mash's choking is obviously exaggerated as a technique to make it more impressive, similar to what happens in verses like Kengan Ashura or Baki. There is a logic on it, but it is exaggerated to the extreme, and thus becoming a special ability. When you are choked in real life you just lose some vision and then faint in most cases. It is nothing like what happened to Cell War.
Analytic Prediction
  • The first part is fine, but the part about him reacting to FTE attacks is false, not once does it state ,in series, that Doom was FTE to Mash, reacting to an FTE attack point blank range is literally impossible with Analytic Prediction, this would be a showcasing of baseline speed.
This is indeed false and would remove with the plans I was making for the verse. The Mash's analytic prediction is much more impressive anyway
However, you ****** it up so bad that I can't even let it pass
Limited Attack Reflection
  • Do I even have to explain this
Same as before. It wasn't even me who put it in the profile
Removed resistances
Gravity Manipulation
  • Mash only resisted this by being physically strong. It’s a rule on the literal ability that resisting gravity attacks via LS doesn’t warrant this ability.
I have explained this before, so I will just post it again
There is a room in which gravity increases exponentially every 10 minutes, in the first instant Mash could not even move. Yes, Mash could not move twice his body weight, the same ******* guy who is Class Z. Not only that, but Mash previously proved strong enough to ignore the gravitational force that was enough to crush a large area of a forest. So it is quite obvious that gravity in that room ignored the strength of the person. And guess what? Some time later Mash was able to move around in that room without difficulty, something that previously he needed the unlimited mode to do.
Furthermore, to support that gravitational magics are able to ignore resistances, high level wizards are able to protect themselves from the effects of gravity, however Lance, someone who can control gravity, after increasing the quality of his spells could affect even wizards infinitely stronger than him and who also has this kind of protection
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Fear Manipulation
  • Walenburg has never showcased being capable of passively doing this, nor do we know if this is caused by his aura
"W-What was that?! The extent of his range?" Its literally just a demonstration of the extent of Whalberg range. The same thing happens with Domina and his aura.
  • “Oh if that scares you” he himself acknowledges that he is aware of what he just did to the underling
Dude, this can fit perfectly fine with Whalberg refering to his magic power, does not mean that it is about some kind of spell
Curse and Mind Manipulation
  • Mash is never stated to have the most “powerful mental fortitude in the verse”
Whalberg says that Mash has pushed his mental fortitude to a limit where it became one of the essential keys to victory in the battle against Innocent Zero and his dark magic. So yeah, no ******* way that Abyss, who is at that point is a nobody, has a better mental fortitude than someone who is stated to be the key against the dark curse and that have trained the mind to the point where it surpressed the expected
  • and being capable of overcoming most spells in the world via being physically strong has no correlation with resisting mental or supernatural attacks.
I don't agree with this particular scan in fact
  • Mash shouldn’t be granted this resistance due to an entirety different character breaking free from this ability. It’s baseless and downright incorrect. He associates the darkness mind control with corruption due to it controlling an entire civilization… that’s just mind control, and mash doesn’t even resist this. The magic has different properties and giving magma the ability to absorb mass doesn’t indicate that anything it does will share this ability, this is baseless
Let's start with the fact that Abyss, the character who resisted the mind control, is a complete piece of shit next to someone like Mash and his mental fortitude. Whalberg himself stated that the fortitude of Mash's mind is special, not only that, but it is also said as well that Mash is the key to break the dark magic, which has precisely the goal of controlling all the minds on the planet. "Oh, but Whalberg said 'strenght'", strenght is not only muscles, Whalbeg said it clarely when talking about things such as the mind. Also, Abyss himself said to be weak next to Mash even after resisting the mind control.
Empathic Manipulation
Just read the scan and you guys will see that all of the argument is based on something that doesnt exist

EDIT: Need to check the raws

EDIT2: Resistance is indeed wrong
Soul Manipulation
  • Mash being physically strong doesn’t depict that he has the same resistances as other people.
Domina was without magic (He said he was completely spent before and then sacrificed the last bit of his magic to save Mash). He had no way to protect himself and only had his physical body to resist the effects of the dark magic. And yet Domina survived for moments (Maybe minutes) inside the dark magma after being completely swallowed.
Now the point is, wizards without magic are ******* nobodys, they are technically """"""normal humans"""""", and yet Domina resisted that spell through sheer toughness. Something that well, Mash excel even in Whalberg terms. If Domina had magic left, then there would be no resistance for Mash, but he didn't had any.
  • The reasoning is just faulty and “soul-splitting pain!” Is not soul manipulation, it’s clearly an exaggeration used to indicate the level of pain the monsters would inflict from their strikes. You don’t resist soul manipulation from being physically strong.
Basic spells from Top Tier Wizards and above are able to interact with souls (What is currently accepted), so if a spell created by the greatest wizard in the world says it will absorb every trace of your existence then it will affect your soul, because its part of your existence. Thats the point
Body Puppetry
  • Abel is shown to control his opponents physically, all Mash did was overpower his physical control over him with superior strength. It’s the equivalent of beating Telekinetic powers with higher LS. This isn’t a resistance.
Same thing with Analytic Prediction section
Attack Reflection
Same thing with Analytic Prediction section (But your logic is wrong)
Acid Manipulation
  • FRA, he doesn’t scale to someone’s else resistan
Same thing with soul manipulation. Dot's toughness is nothing compared to Mash's (In the case Dot had magic, but he was not at the level to know things like Strenghtening Magic)
Conclusion
Return the profile to what it was before, even with the wrong things. There are many bad justifications and many things missing, yet it is better than the current state of the profile. So when I get time I will completely revise the profile and improve everything (Hopefully with help of someone but that one have never come).
Also, if anyone wants to improve the quality of the page, please, go to the general discussion and help to create new files for the verse and not destroying the ones that have already been created
 
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
Empathic Manipulation
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"I can make anyone even slightly attracted to me fall in love"

"Does he seriously not find me attractive?!"

After reading it, I think the target has to find the girl attractive, even to a small degree, for the spell to work.

She even wonders if he really doesn't find her attractive.

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The rest of the resistance section, I agree with the OP.

As for "Powers and Abilities", I don't feel like arguing about it right now (too much text)
 
Phsccarvalho said:
"I can make anyone even slightly attracted to me fall in love"

"Does he seriously not find me attractive?!"

After reading it, I think the target has to find the girl attractive, even to a small degree, for the spell to work.

She even wonders if he really doesn't find her attractive.

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The rest of the resistance section, I agree with the OP.

As for "Powers and Abilities", I don't feel like arguing about it right now (too much text)
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Still would be a resistance as it still didn't worked on him, because a resistance isn't being immune to something
 
Spinoirr said:
Still would be a resistance as it still didn't worked on him, because a resistance isn't being immune to something
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?

In order for her to use her Empathic Manipulation, the target has to find her attractive, even on a small level. The spell didn't work on Mashle, so logically he doesn't find her attractive.
 
Spinoirr said:
Still would be a resistance as it still didn't worked on him, because a resistance isn't being immune to something
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If to begin with he didn't meet the conditions for the ability to activate (in this case feel attraction to her) then he wouldn't had resisted anything because the ability never activated against him.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Here you go
Idk japonese tho
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I asked someone I know who knows Japanese and who translates some manga directly from Japanese to translate.

His translation:
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I stand by my opinion on that. Mashle wasn't affected by the girl's magic, so by the simplest logic, he doesn't find her attractive, so he has no resistance to anything, since the magic didn't activate.

Of course, he would be resistant to this if he showed that he found her attractive, but it was never shown and I don't think it was even hinted at, so the simplest thing to assume is that he doesn't find her attractive.

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For those who want to translate for themselves: フフッ…私の魔法は私に一瞬でも魅力を感じた者を恋に落とす
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I asked someone I know who knows Japanese and who translates some manga directly from Japanese to translate.

His translation:
Mashle-p-gina-tradu-o.png


I stand by my opinion on that. Mashle wasn't affected by the girl's magic, so by the simplest logic, he doesn't find her attractive, so he has no resistance to anything, since the magic didn't activate.

Of course, he would be resistant to this if he showed that he found her attractive, but it was never shown and I don't think it was even hinted at, so the simplest thing to assume is that he doesn't find her attractive.

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For those who want to translate for themselves: フフッ…私の魔法は私に一瞬でも魅力を感じた者を恋に落とす
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Can they check if the country bust statement is valid, or the multiplier statement?
 
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