Marvel Tiering Adjustments: 2.0

[Antvasima]

Would you be willing to ask a few experienced calc group members to try to properly recalculate this feat, while taking distance from the explosion into account?

https://web.archive.org/web/2017122...bit-feats-the-third-part-2-final-tally.19953/

 

[Zensum]

These old EM calcs have issues, like where what's being calced isn't accurate to what occurs in the comic or technical issues like what Qaws pointed out. I made a re-assessment for some of the thing related ones a while back but still haven't gotten calc group feedback.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, feel free to ask some of the calc group members again for help. You can tell them that I would appreciate it.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

I mean... I'm a calc group member. I can do it

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the help. That would be appreciated.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

Ok. I'm busy tonight, but you'll see it by tomorrow morning at least

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Zensum]

Azoth gave his ok on the Ego calc here.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, but since he is going to recalculate the feat himself, it seems better to wait for the moment.

 

[Ayewale]

I think we should make a new thread for this.

 

[Antvasima]

How so?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What even is being discussed here.

 

[Antvasima]

We are currently discussing whether the 5-A feat for the Grey Hulk is an outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

And yet suggesting replacing it with a Low 5-B statement for Cyclops? What?

Either one or the other. I don't mind 5-B / 5-A stuff scaling from Grey Hulk, Thing, etc.

 

[SuperAPM]

I'm fine with 5-A myself, is just an issue I've seen brought up frequently enough

 

[Hellbeast1]

The Low 5-B statement is complete bollocks

At no point does he have a planet level feat with it and he'll i don't think it even scales to anyone there

 

[The_Impress]

Are there better feats for them other than the Cyclops statement? That seems especially unreliable in my opinion

 

[SuperAPM]

I think thing might have a moon level feat somewhere. Will have to look that up later

 

[The_Impress]

Well, it's better to get that instead. Cyclops is what I consider an unreliable narrator for his own powers, since he definitely considers them a far severe threat than they might even be.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Well, it's better to get that instead. Cyclops is what I consider an unreliable narrator for his own powers, since he definitely considers them a far severe threat than they might even be.

Wasn't it revealed that his powers are not just lazer eyes but energy that comes from another Dimension?

 

[SuperAPM]

I Believe so

 

[Hellbeast1]

I'm still looking for Things star level feat but I have a few that might be planet somewhere

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it's better to get that instead. Cyclops is what I consider an unreliable narrator for his own powers, since he definitely considers them a far severe threat than they might even be.

Good point. We might have to downgrade both Cyclops AP and Mister Sinister's durability.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm still looking for Things star level feat but I have a few that might be planet somewhere

Thing's best feats go form High 6-A to 5-B.

I think there are other low-level planetary feats for some chars.

 

[SuperAPM]

Actually, looking at Cyclops' statement again, he only states that he can Rip a Small Planet in Half.

The values for splitting a regular sized planet like Earth was calced to be High 6-A and Low 5-B respectfully, So doing the same to a Small Planet would yield even lower results than this (If somebody could calc this that would be helpful)

 

[SuperAPM]

By the way, Things moon level calc can only be found here on an old page of his, I can't seem to access the link to it.

 

[The_Impress]

Anyways, regarding my input, I kinda wish Cyclops to not be used for scaling to others in general, save for Mister Sinister and primarily X-Men characters, due to his varying power levels and the isolation of core X-Men from the rest of the Marvel Universe, thus making the scaling slightly dodgy, and possibility for proposing ridiculous upgrades and downgrades.

Characters like the Thing or Doctor Doom are much more preferable IMO.

 

[SuperAPM]

We do typically scale the X-Men off their own feats already, the only excepetion I can think of is Colossus, but at least that makes sense. So I don't see why Cyclops should be any different.

 

[The_Impress]

Cyclops has a variable power level due to him being able select his blast intensity, and that leads to unreliable scaling

 

[Antvasima]

Zark makes sense to me.

 

[SuperAPM]

So, has anyone managed to find any feats for Thing that we can scale off of?

 

[The_Impress]

Is this scaleable in any regard?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think so. Sorry.

 

[SuperAPM]

I don't think that's a planet level feat. I'd be surprised if it got 6-A results to be honest.

 

[KLOL506]

Prolly a decent lifting strength feat but I have no idea what it'd take to push through a planet.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, and a small hole right through a planet probably wouldn't give high results.

 

[SuperAPM]

What is the amount of force needed to pierce through Earth and the moon, respectfully? Asking anyone that may know.

 

[The_Impress]

I can do a rough calc:

Average density of Earth=5520 kg/m^3

Diameter of Earth= 12,742,000 m

Therefore, total mass being displaced for 1m cube = 70335840000 kgs.

Assuming the press is baseline Subsonic, that is 34.3 m/s

Energy = 0.5x70335840000x34.3^2=4.1374706e+13 J, near baseline 7-C

So, yeah... Not useable

 

[The_Impress]

So, has anyone found any usable feats?

 

[SuperAPM]

None on my end unfortunately