Minor Spider-Man/Veil/Others nerf

[The_Impress]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Psycho-Man_(Marvel_Comics)

This is mostly a debate I guess, but we presently have a new Psycho-Man page. As I was researching the character, I came to a realization that his mindhax just kinda... sucks? Characters can consistently reason out of it, and figure out the jig, and it is kinda never treated as particularly hard to do.

Presently we list resisting Psycho-Man's control as an empathic resist feat for Spider-Man, and a mindhax resist feat for Veil, so if we are treating Psycho-Man's control as being intrinsically weak then these should get removed, otherwise She-Hulk and all other Avengers Academy members should get it.

 

[Hellbeast]

bet, give it to everyone

 

[The_Impress]

zamn

 

[Rgerdeena]

i mean, no matter what their still resisting empathetic manipulation, it’s just not very good empathetic manipulation, so I think it would make sense for them to keep it and just note that he isn’t normally portrayed as a very strong empathetic manipulator

Also a gamma mutate with help, literal silver surfer; and the smartest man alive resisting it doesn’t prove very much

 

[The_Impress]

Also a gamma mutate with help, literal silver surfer; and the smartest man alive resisting it doesn’t prove very much

They don't resist it lol, the file has two other instances of the Surfer not resisting it, both of which are newer than the feat I presented, and one is from the exact same era.

This is like saying if your clothes light on fire but then you stop, drop and roll you have a fire resist, they're demonstratively only able to recover by sussing out the logic, that's a flaw in the powerset.

 

[Rgerdeena]

They don't resist it lol, the file has two other instances of the Surfer not resisting it, both of which are newer than the feat I presented, and one is from the exact same era.

This is like saying if your clothes light on fire but then you stop, drop and roll you have a fire resist, they're demonstratively only able to recover by sussing out the logic, that's a flaw in the powerset.

Are you seriously debunking my joke

Anyways the difference between the fire example is, fire doesn’t directly affect you mentally, psycho man does, so unlike with fire using your mental abilities to break out of something affecting your mental abilities is a resist

 

[The_Impress]

Not when the mental abilities have a blindspot and a set remedy.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Not when the mental abilities have a blindspot and a set remedy.

You haven’t proven that it has a blindspot though, they could just be resisting that aspect of it the most, or that aspect could just be less potent then the rest of it

 

[The_Impress]

You haven’t proven that it has a blindspot though

Surfer cannot resist the mindhax, so he does not have a resist. Sussing out the mindhax is the blindspot, and that is the only way to nullify the control.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Surfer cannot resist the mindhax, so he does not have a resist. Sussing out the mindhax is the blindspot, and that is the only way to nullify the control.

Fair enough then