Marvel Speed Revisions 3

[Antvasima]

Well, Cable has telekinetic force fields to protect him.

 

[Huesito88]

It wasn't implied he used his telekinetic shields

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it seems more likely that he did, as he is usually not portrayed as particularly physically powerful. Otherwise it would likely be an outlier.

 

[Huesito88]

Well course you won't see Cable doing destructive stuff without the use of his weapons or him going full power unrestricted and blowing stuff up, that guy 4-B.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but it doesn't make any sense for him to not protect himself with his telekinesis when he had plenty of time to prepare.

 

[Huesito88]

Well guess you got a point, well he does have another feat where he doesn't shield himself from it and which he shares with his husbando friend Deadpool.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Here's Deadpool surviving another MCB explosio.

 

[Mr._Redic]

Found a feat where Spider-Man is punching Iron Man 2020 so hard he partially splits a building apart.

These 2 respect threads probably have some good feats for Building/Large Building Spidey in general.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, at the very least we should not scale from the unreliable Hulk-moving feat anymore.

 

[Lonkitt]

On the topic of Low 7-C, thoughts on scaling to Luke Cage and Shocker?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well, at the very least we should not scale from the unreliable Hulk-moving feat anymore.

That I can agree with.

 

[KLOL506]

I can agree with that too.

 

[Antvasima]

On the topic of Low 7-C, thoughts on scaling to Luke Cage and Shocker?

What feats do you refer to?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I think he refers to this.

I also think we ought to check if the Spider-Man villains actually fought an all-out Spidey, as he tends to hold back.

 

[KLOL506]

I think he refers to this.
I also think we ought to check if the Spider-Man villains actually fought an all-out Spidey, as he tends to hold back.

Good point. If I remember, a bloodlusted Spidey was on the verge of brutally murdering Rhino.

 

[Antvasima]

Why would that explosion scale to any of those characters?

Most Spider-Man villains are at least as powerful as he is, but the Vulture and likely the Shocker are weaker.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I am uncertain.

As I said, Spidey tends to hold back. Can someone link all of the Spidey villains?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Carnage, Sandman, Electro, Rhino, and Venom are stronger. Green Goblin, current Kraven and Doctor Octopus, etcetera, are roughly equal.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

For Sandman and Rhino their profiles just say that they're stronger without reasoning. For Green Goblin it says he got beaten down when Spidey was bloodlusted.

Vulture is probably weaker, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, they are officially stated to be much stronger, and Spider-Man can never defeat them with raw power.

 

[KLOL506]

Not unless he goes bloodlusted.

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, notice how there's no calc for Captain America's High Hypersonic rating?

EDIT: NVM, I figured the long scaling chain out.

 

[Huesito88]

So I have a concern, what do we do about Magneto? Cause judging by his speed it seems like he scales off his own feats, but that would make him weaker than the High 5-A?

 

[Hellbeast1]

I mean unless a recalc of the planet sized bullet is done I think he's fine where he is. He does seem below the top tiers (main reason he competes is because of his hax)

 

[Huesito88]

I mean unless a recalc of the planet sized bullet is done I think he's fine where he is. He does seem below the top tiers (main reason he competes is because of his hax)

I don't think it was ever calculated in the first place. I think we just placed it in his profile and assumed it was planet level via the statement of it being able to destroy the planet.

Though the bullet would have to weigh at least 4.5e18 kg (Since it's stated at going already near the speed of light) to reach large planet level results.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I think it is better to calc it, we can't just take statements lightly nowadays.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Oh okay (Calcy calcy boi)

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Oh okay (Calcy calcy boi)

Considering my avatar and name is based of someone "related" to Magneto, I feel a need to help out in anyway possible.... That and I can't sleep rn for some reason.

 

[Hellbeast1]

FOR THE BROTHERHOOD (I mean if you're free)

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I honestly like Magneto and the brotherhood over Charles and the xmen.

 

[Huesito88]

Which comic did Magneto preform the feat?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Ikr?

Polish Malcolm X fte

 

[Huesito88]

Nevermind found it

https://***************.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-1963/Issue-521?id=23244

 

[Antvasima]

So should we return to the relevant scaling issues here?

• We need a list of all the relevant current Marvel character profiles speeds, so we know what needs to be revised.
• We need to rescale all of the Low 7-C characters based on a considerably more reliable feat than Spider-Man moving the Hulk very quickly.
• We likely need to revise Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers), The Vision, and the characters scaled from them to 5-A.
• We need to revise the 8-A and 9-A characters based on something less outlier-ish/exaggerated for the former, and something more similarly tiered for the latter.

 

[KLOL506]

Low 7-C was already iffy, so it's out of the window. Spider-Man would at the very least be unquantifiably superior to the 8-As.

8-A has consistently been proven to be A-Okay as Spino has repeatedly shown alongside Huesito, and the 9-As will probably get upped to 8-C with the recent calcs Huesito just made.

The speeds and 5-A parts, I have no idea

 

[Huesito88]

Well I'm working on the low street level characters (currently 9-A's) of Marvel, so I got you covered there.

 

[Antvasima]

I still think that 8-A Captain America is very exaggerated. I think that High 8-C feats at most seem more reliable to scale from.

Therefir recalculated one of Huesito88's feats to High 8-C, so we could scale from that for example.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, the Daredevil/Punisher/Hawkeye level characters are not that significantly below Captain America.