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hmmmm... High 6-C to 5-B works better than just straight up 5-B since the others that scale to him have nothing close to that level.
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Marvel Heralds Rescaling
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Couldn’t that be said about a large portion of the characters here
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So which characters do you consider that wouldn't have to scale to 3-C?
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Easier to do it the other way around. Thanos would upscale from surfer and scale to thor (blood and thunder), and so does everyone who consistently scales to him (adam, magus). Then a bunch of thor villains like loki or the destroyer armor, and those who scale from them. Plus sentry, who shouldn't be used to scale due to his variable ap, galactus scaling above SS, ego from galactus and thor, the Phoenix gun from ego. And that's it, the others lack any indication that they can fight a serious thor/SS, some even got stomped when thor went all out against them. Drax and black bolt can work but the former clearly has a consistency issue and the latter would be depending on a single, downscaling feat.
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Don't know what you mean. As the people scaling to 3-C right now have consistently shown to be comparable if not above Thor and Surfer.
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Yeah what they said. I didn't go through their relevant comics and feats only to find out they wouldn't scale there. The people here can most definitely scale.
As we agreed, nova and Annihilus can scale to their own scaling, so I gotta remove them from here. But the rest deserves to be there.
Also on that note, I forgot to update Groot to unknown.
Anyway, this is largely irrelevant to the thread at the end.
Back to important stuff; I was thinking of creating a 5-B scaling chain from Gilgamesh, which will tie into Hyperion's 5-B (he will be the upper end of the chain). This could potentially effect the following;
As we agreed, nova and Annihilus can scale to their own scaling, so I gotta remove them from here. But the rest deserves to be there.
Anyway, this is largely irrelevant to the thread at the end.
Back to important stuff; I was thinking of creating a 5-B scaling chain from Gilgamesh, which will tie into Hyperion's 5-B (he will be the upper end of the chain). This could potentially effect the following;
- Gilgamesh
- Ikaris
- Thena
- Sersi
- Blue Marvel
- Carol
- America Chavez
- Anti man
- King Hyperion - upscales from BM
- Hyperion (avengers) (he can upscale from this value and also scale to his own 5-B feat)
- Hyperion (squadron Supreme) - scales directly to Ikaris, if not above him. And has been a pain in the ass for non-4-B Thor.
- Hyperion (squadron sinister) - due to being a pain in the ass for non-4-B Thor.
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So I’m guessing 1-5 here scale to the Hyperions that scale to Gilgamesh?
Also I’d like to note that Carol does have a feat of beating up Grey Hulk, which would support 5-B… but we also run into a bit of an issue because her High 6-C feat is what all the High 6-Cs currently scale to. So unless we’re upping all High 6-Cs to 5-B, we’d need a new feat for them, like Doom’s 6-B calc or something.
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Yes, that's correct, lemme expand more on the chain.
Gilgamesh with the 5-B feat upscales from Ikaris, thena and sersi. Ikaris fought Hyperion Squadron Supreme and then he fought the squadron sinister version. Hyperion squadron Supreme also fought king Hyperion, but he was far weaker in comparison. Blue marvel fought king Hyperion, and also anti man. Carol and Chavez scales to him. And then there is Hyperion (Avengers) who fought blue marvel briefly. He can scale to his own planet lifting feats and upscale heavily from everyone else here.
Gilgamesh with the 5-B feat upscales from Ikaris, thena and sersi. Ikaris fought Hyperion Squadron Supreme and then he fought the squadron sinister version. Hyperion squadron Supreme also fought king Hyperion, but he was far weaker in comparison. Blue marvel fought king Hyperion, and also anti man. Carol and Chavez scales to him. And then there is Hyperion (Avengers) who fought blue marvel briefly. He can scale to his own planet lifting feats and upscale heavily from everyone else here.
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That makes sense to me. The only issue would be the High 6-C thing I mentioned in my last post.
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Only carol's captain marvel key will scale to it tbh. Maybe we should make a new key for her? We do know that her power levels have increased drastically since her ms marvel days.
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Her High 6-C feat is from her as Captain Marvel though.
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Ahh... I thought it was from her early days.
Anyway, that seems like a pretty casual thing to me
Anyway, that seems like a pretty casual thing to me
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Oh yeah, it’s not like that’s the limit of her strength or anything, it’s just that all of the High 6-Cs get their tier from that (and Fin Fang Foom). So we’d need to rescale them too.Ahh... I thought it was from her early days.
Anyway, that seems like a pretty casual thing to me
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But re scaling needs to happen. Preferably to their own feats idk
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Scale Thing to 6-B for harming Doom and scale the High 6-Cs to him ig
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Did a quick search and found a couple examples of Ben damaging Doom’s armor.
So scaling him to 6-B should be all good, and a majority of the current High 6-Cs scale off of him. (Also should this get its own CRT or is it fine to do it here?)
So scaling him to 6-B should be all good, and a majority of the current High 6-Cs scale off of him. (Also should this get its own CRT or is it fine to do it here?)
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Should be fine here.
Although since I don't really wanna touch f4 side of shit, I will just tag @Eficiente. Impress is probably not really interested rn
Although since I don't really wanna touch f4 side of shit, I will just tag @Eficiente. Impress is probably not really interested rn
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We should probably finsih this part quickly so we can deal with the 3-C scaling. Or else both are gonna be left unfinished
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Tbf, Doom's classic armor is a bit different, once his hands were shown to have a heater-looking thing that gave him Ice Manip (FF vol1 23), which his current armor doesn't have or we would see it, and it used to have a time limit to have much he could survive in space.
But yes, scaling to Doom's armor is alright.
But yes, scaling to Doom's armor is alright.
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Okay, cool. Is there an easy way to see all the Marvel characters that currently scale to High 6-C? I’d like to make a list of those who’d be changed to 6-B.
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Apparently there is a way with some code or some such, but not sure how to do it myself. I will ask someone
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it's not fine to do here, feats an outlier because Doom gets knocked out for a week doing it and its PISey as shit.
I said right then and there that if shit contradicts the feat I'm gonna yeet it, and there we go.
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If Imp-ress is gone doesn't mean you can do AN ENTIRE ******* RESCALE OFF OF ONLY ONE STAFF MEMBER'S INPUT.
Where the absolute **** is that standard, Tracer, are you actually insane???
Where the absolute **** is that standard, Tracer, are you actually insane???
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First of all, calm down.
Second of all, two staff members approved of the idea of scaling from Doom’s armor.
Third of all, I was literally going to make a sandbox with everyone that’d scale and post it here to get more input. I was not going to just go apply it.
Second of all, two staff members approved of the idea of scaling from Doom’s armor.
Third of all, I was literally going to make a sandbox with everyone that’d scale and post it here to get more input. I was not going to just go apply it.
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Huge number, wow.
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Being condescending doesn’t help anything.
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Being derailing doesn't either, make your own thread over Thing tier and discuss this there.
Confluctor's judgement is wrong over this matter, this thread is getting dragged out over nothing.
Confluctor's judgement is wrong over this matter, this thread is getting dragged out over nothing.
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Sure.
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Don't think I have accepted anything (100% anyway), and pretty sure I have made it crystal clear multiple times in the past that my opinion on below 4bs should be ignored ¯\(ツ)/¯
Anyway, we should probably return to the original discussion stuff;
Anyway, we should probably return to the original discussion stuff;
- Hulk's LS issue, which ties with Lockjaw's tiering issue.
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I don't agree with Sinister Hyperion getting it if the only reasoning is "gave trouble to Thor", I feel like most High 6-Cs can reach that level with that logic
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He also scales to squadron Supreme Hyperion. He was Ultimately killed but they were almost equally matched
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Ah alright then
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I personally do not mind an in-between tier of 5-B scaled from The Forgotten One (the Marvel version of Gilgamesh was later retconned to be a separate character closer to the mythological demigod, in a Hercules storyline) to characters comparable to him in power, such as the Hyperions, Blue Marvel, Anti-Man, Wonder Man, etcetera.
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What do you think @The_Impress ?
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Didn't know something knocked Doom for a week, we should very much see what anti-feats he has. The ones I'm aware of are only of him not being Herald level (+ one where he would die from Torch's supernova burning the surface of the Earth) or much lower ones that are inapplicable.
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It’s fine idrm
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Ask somewhere else, its derailing to do that here :V
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This seems to have been accepted then, but we need to decide which characters that should scale to 5-B, and if they should get a "High 6-C when holding back" tier as well.
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