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Marvel Comics: Heralds Speed Revision.

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Marvel Herald scaling is a mess. This thread is to upgrade High and Mid Herald speed as well as give each tier their own speed rating.



The Upgrade
For Infinite speed:
We accept universe in Marvel as infinite.

Note: Here, it says;
We consider the part of the Marvel universe that is possible for characters to travel within to have been proven to be finite, and to at the very least have a radius of 1 trillion lightyears.
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While we accept traveling throughout the universe as only moving within a space of 1 Trillion Lightyears, we can't place that limit on the likes of Thor and Silver Surfer because these characters can consistently travel beyond 1 Trillion Lightyears. Silver Surfer can travel back and forth through time and also travel other universes with nothing but sheer speed. Same for Thor who can also consistently travel from universe to universe, realm to realm. Limiting them wouldn't make any sense to their feat. You have to prove that they are limited to 1 Trillion Light years


For MFTL+


Herald Speed Scaling would be like this:

Low 1-C (High Heralds)
Infinite: (Scaling from Base Thor and Peak Silver Surfer)​

3-C (Mid Heralds)
MFTL + (Scaling from the Planck speed feat of Ares and Nate)

5-B (Low Heralds)
Relativistic+ (Scaling from the Fantastic Four)


Agree (5): @Theglassman12 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Antvasima @DarkDragonMedeus @Firestorm808

Neutral:

Disagree:
 
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If that's true about Silver Surfer he should actually have immeasurable speed.

I'm fine with Thor having infinite too, though I'm a little unclear on what it means exactly for him to travel to a different 'universe' via speed.

As for scaling, I'll respectfully stay neutral on any other characters without direct feats.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Could this here be argued for immeasurable speed? It kinda implies that he's warping space and time with raw speed alone to traverse the entire universe.
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It can be Immeasurable speed. But no one would scale to it only Silver Surfer

FinePoint said:
As for scaling, I'll respectfully stay neutral on any other characters without direct feats.
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Those who scale to the feats are those characters who already scale to Thor and Silver Surfer.
 
Excellence616 said:
3-Cs and Nate Grey/X-Man should be at least 3-C to 1-A
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Nate Grey has been consistently compared to Dark Phoenix even back during his debut (Shown consistently as capable of affecting extremely powerful Astral Forms such as Xavier's, Apocalypse stated he's the most powerful being Earth has ever encountered, Xavier calls him unequivocally the most powerful psychic presence he's ever felt and this was his first appearance in 616, etc he has a lot of accolades and even during the Krakoa stuff he's portrayed on the same level as Current Legion even without his arc as the Shaman and the amp he got from the Lifeseed), and confirmed by Narration as the most powerful psionic being in any reality during Onslaught Saga (again before his arc as the Shaman and the amp he got from the Lifeseed) , so he really should just be straight up 1-A.
 
I actually have more evidence for Thor having infinite speed or possibly immeasurable speed. Some of the evidence was rejected and the rest of the post was rejected because for a lot of commentors it didn't make sense for Thor to have infinite speed but since Thor is being upgraded I think it's more valid now.

StrangeDays20

Thread 'An Issue With Thor's Profile (Regarding Speed) Marvel Comics'

So I was looking at Thor's profile and I saw a statement that said Earth and Asgard are spaced apart by an infinite distance and Odin's feat of sending Thor from Asgard to Earth was the reason why he was given infinite speed. What's the issue? Well Thor has gone from Earth to Asgard quite a few times and even Loki has feats of doing this like sending his soul to Earth from Asgard, sending Ulik from Asgard to Earth or simply flying to Asgard himself. So I would like to ask why they don't they get infinite speed since they have been able to cross the distance...
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Don't know about other heralds but should Ares have immeasurable speed since he able fight against Nate? (Nate can react to Qabiri, which is more powerful than universal abstracts)
Also SS travelling from macroverse to e-616 with his pure speed can be accepted as immeasurable speed feat?
 
Progrev228 said:
Don't know about other heralds but should Ares have immeasurable speed since he able fight against Nate? (Nate can react to Qabiri, which is more powerful than universal abstracts)
Also SS travelling from macroverse to e-616 with his pure speed can be accepted as immeasurable speed feat?
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Okay
First please elaborate how Qabiri is above the universal abstracts ?
Second
I am pretty Silver surfer literally manipulated his size to enter macroverse , he wasn't using his pure speed
 
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MarvelFanatic119 said:
Any more context for the Ares feat? Because it says in the scan that the fight takes place "out of time", so I'm wondering if that changes the feat or makes it unusable.
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It still usable.
Progrev228 said:
Don't know about other heralds but should Ares have immeasurable speed since he able fight against Nate? (Nate can react to Qabiri, which is more powerful than universal abstracts)
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Bro is a mid herald. Nate Grey that he fought isn't even trying
Progrev228 said:
Also SS travelling from macroverse to e-616 with his pure speed can be accepted as immeasurable speed feat?
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Maybe.
Entity said:
Give me my immeasurable speed Hulk, thanks
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Soon.
 
Infinite speed looks good, but I do not see how that supports Immeasurable as seen in the comments.
 
It seems like this has received sufficient staff support to apply. 🙏
 
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