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idrm, Ultron probably needs a ground-up rework anyways, thinking doing him like Iron Man
That’s future talk tho, back to revision at hand
That’s future talk tho, back to revision at hand
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Marvel Heralds Rescaling
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alright, make sense
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Nova can scale to his own stuff, so he doesn't need at most. Quasar can downscale from him. Sphinx will upscale from nova. And Annihilus would upscale. Spiderman and Kaine also downscales from nova.
Black Bolt scales to his own calc, outside of this scaling chain.
The rest leaves Cyclops, Emma, mindless ones, who downscale from Thor and Hulk. That just leaves finding the right place for wolverine gang
Black Bolt scales to his own calc, outside of this scaling chain.
The rest leaves Cyclops, Emma, mindless ones, who downscale from Thor and Hulk. That just leaves finding the right place for wolverine gang
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Yeah. When I tried to downgrade them to high 6c, everyone was against it despite having no feats ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I’d personally just put them at 4-B considering that both Laura and Logan’s claws could draw blood from Green Scar Hulk.
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Yeah there is also the Thanos feat from Infinity Gauntlet iirc
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I will be honest, I have no clue. But that is irrelevant for this thread.
There are a lot of problems with that, so it should be handled in its own thread
There are a lot of problems with that, so it should be handled in its own thread
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Well, the Phoenix Five overpowered several herald level characters, but regular Emma and Cyclops are nowhere near that powerful.
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Also to high 6-C?
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Thorbuster being in Low heralds is weird considering in his justification, he somewhat went toe to toe against King Thor, who is stronger than normal Thor.
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Depends from incarnation to incarnation. Some are stronger, some aren't.
Read Oliver's comment about it.
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Yeah that's why it says second key next to their names. First key would be their regular ones
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I guess "At least 7-B, likely far higher"? It should upscale from the Model 20 (The suit Tony had at the time) and Stark resorted to using the ThorBuster against King Thor instead of his regular armors.
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Wolvie's completely legit at 3-C, I don't know why the hell you state him Low Herald when he can slash through Thanos and Peak Hulk just fine.
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Oh yeah, forgot about WWH. Sure, will move him up to herald or above tier
I don't like the Thanos one tho 
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Biased and hive-pilledI don't like the Thanos one tho
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More like based
But I suppose high herald would fit then. Thanos is one sturdy mofo
But I suppose high herald would fit then. Thanos is one sturdy mofo
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Thoughts on this?
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I think keeping him at high 6c might solve the issue
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Okay. That seems fine then.
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I also have the impression that most of his incarnations are not very physically powerful.
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Him can scale to peak Thor, second incarnation scales to Thanos and upscale from Surfer, and the third - quantum scales to another 4-B, fourth one also scales to Thanos, fifth one downscales from pymtron iirc
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Technically Emma’s second key is her Diamond Form, her Phoenix Five key is her third one
The Thorbuster was absorbing and redirecting the energy that Thor used on it, and Thor (even if he was holding back) could dent Cap’s shield, so I think it’d still be At most 4-B.
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Would Blue Marvel be able to scale to the lower end of the Herald tiers based on him drawing blood from Sentry? Or would it not work?
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no. Blue Marvel powers are krytonite to sentry
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gilgmesh could put to tier 5 due to lifting the earth
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Lemme repeat my earlier point, do you want to give batman 4-B for hurting superman with Kryptonite?
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So LS to AP conversion?
Do you have a source for it so I can read it? If possible, I can create a separate scaling chain for those guys, outside of the regular high 6c stuff.
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It's in his lifting strength section
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Ah
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Lifting the earth is also an AP feat because it requires you to overcome Gravitational Binding Energy. And mind you, converting LS to AP is not forbidden, the opposite is.
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Alright, ig I can work with that.
I assume that will be around badelin 5-B. So Ig it would make sense to start scaling Ikaris and others to him.
I assume that will be around badelin 5-B. So Ig it would make sense to start scaling Ikaris and others to him.
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