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If it causes scaling issues, then Extremis scaling to BM and Carol can be discarded, but it should definitely be High 6-C.
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Marvel Comics - 5-B Scaling Upgrade
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Isn’t Blue Marvel gonna be High 6-A, not 5-B?
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High 6-A as a minimum, but I think that he should scale to King Hyperion, who fought the Squadron Supreme incarnation of Hyperion and another version at the same time, so that would warrant 5-B instead, which also fits better thematically.
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Wait a minute, if Carol gets upgraded… we can’t really use High 6-C anymore, since that calc comes from her.
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Is he?
The only time I remember that was when Tony has the endo sym armor, but that armor is variable in AP, and in it's "normal" state, it's best feats comprise of taking out a bunch of Tony's much older 7-B armors. I'm talking like pre extremis.
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If we do upgrade the other two Hypes, that would move up Wonder Man and everyone scaling to him to blue marvel tier. But yes, they will be high 6a or whatever. 5B is only for eternals.
Oh wait a minute, Gilgamesh file is deleted. So no scaling can be done. Eternals and others have to stick to BM somehow.
Hyperion 712 > Controlled Ikaris (from Quasar run). So, they probably need to all stay in the same tier actually.
Now that arises other issues... Is it wise to scale literally everyone from one statement? That just seems flimsy.
Oh wait a minute, Gilgamesh file is deleted. So no scaling can be done. Eternals and others have to stick to BM somehow.
Hyperion 712 > Controlled Ikaris (from Quasar run). So, they probably need to all stay in the same tier actually.
Now that arises other issues... Is it wise to scale literally everyone from one statement? That just seems flimsy.
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I mean, you can scale them, you’d just have to word all the justifications as “Scales to Gilgamesh, who can [insert feat here]”
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Ig but I am still uneasy on doing that considering how many files will get affected
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I do not think that Ikaris is officially supposed to be more powerful than The Blue Marvel and Hyperion, and would prefer if we do not insert too many confusing sub-levels for the Marvel characters.
Well, you can either just mention the feat in another profile page or ask for help with recreating Gilgamesh's profile page instead.
Yes, agreed.
That is a good point. We could use Gilgamesh's 5-B feat instead, and use The Watcher's High 6-A claim as supporting evidence for The Blue Marvel alone, if you wish.
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That's what I have been saying since day 1. Just leave them where they are
Uh, no. It's better to be accurate and have multiple sub tiers than have virtually everyone scaling to the same value - which, for the record, is extremely wrong and inaccurate.
And what is our aim again? Not to confuse people or accuracy? I am getting lost on the messaging sometimes here
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I’d like to note that we also have Grey Hulk’s 5-B feat, which, contrary to what his page says, he performed pretty casually and not angry in the slightest.
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And where are they currently? High 6-C? I think that 5-B seems more reliable.
Accuracy is obviously much better, but given that these characters are usually presented as roughly comparable, it turns hard to separate them into several tiers without turning the scaling into an even more confusing and contradictory mess than currently.
Yes, that combined with the Gilgamesh feat seems reasonable to scale from. What do the rest of you think about giving the Hulk a varies between 5-B and 3-C tier, rather than varies between High 6-C and 3-C?
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I mean we are continuosly trying to account for every feat of theirs possible and find a middle ground for them. It's not a mess, it's a solution.
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Okay. So do you think that we should make some of them High 6-A and other 5-B then? Or do you want to keep them all at High 6-C?
I personally prefer to keep consistently comparable characters at a comparable level though.
I personally prefer to keep consistently comparable characters at a comparable level though.
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Two options. Option 1; keep everyone where they are. I would rather not have a huge chunk of characters scaling to a statement.*
Option 2: create three scaling chains for the current high 6cs. Some stays here, some gets upgraded to high 6a and some to 5b.**
*Gilgamesh's feat is a statement too, isn't it?
**Agnna has issues with current high 6cs and he thinks the calcs will be tier 7 only.
Option 2: create three scaling chains for the current high 6cs. Some stays here, some gets upgraded to high 6a and some to 5b.**
*Gilgamesh's feat is a statement too, isn't it?
**Agnna has issues with current high 6cs and he thinks the calcs will be tier 7 only.
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Worth calcing
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Well, tier 5-B would have both the Gilgamesh statement, the Thing feat, and a calm grey Hulk destroying an asteroid twice the size of the Earth as a basis. Would that be sufficient? High 6-A seems less warranted in comparison.
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Agreed.
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The feat would be lower since due to square law iron man would be hit by only small portion of the power.
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Could you place the scan and source?
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Definitely better than basing it off statement.
Also, does anyone know why we initially stopped using Grey Hulk's 5B feat?
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You also have the Champion's statements and She-Hulk defeating him easily.
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Impress had said he didn't have to scale anyone given Gray Hulk's variable level.
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It seems to me that his statements about destroying planets do not refer to him with the power of the gem.
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What's her feat again?
Also she had a star level feat in this one avengers book. Where she extinguished a star in the dark dimension
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Ah, yes, should just scale to her tbh. Or anyone whom she might fight at LS but can't remember who tho
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Zark gave Grey Hulk a Varies tier and made his 5-B feat his peak, so it didn’t scale to anyone anymore. Why she made it his peak, I honestly don’t know.
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Isee...
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Well, the Hulk was calm at the time.
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Yeah, that’s why I don’t know why it’s considered to be his peak. He should just be “Varies, 5-B normally, higher with rage”.
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