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Marvel Comics - 5-B Scaling Upgrade

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Antvasima said:
And Iron Man is not consistently supposed to be in the Blue Marvel's tier as far as I am aware, but rather be considerably weaker.
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If it causes scaling issues, then Extremis scaling to BM and Carol can be discarded, but it should definitely be High 6-C.
 
Yes, but I do not think that Iron Man is supposed to be as high as tier 5-B with his usual armors.
 
High 6-A as a minimum, but I think that he should scale to King Hyperion, who fought the Squadron Supreme incarnation of Hyperion and another version at the same time, so that would warrant 5-B instead, which also fits better thematically.
 
Wait a minute, if Carol gets upgraded… we can’t really use High 6-C anymore, since that calc comes from her.
 
I am not so sure that regular Carol should be upgraded beyond High 6-C other than in her Binary state.
 
Antvasima said:
And Iron Man is not consistently supposed to be in the Blue Marvel's tier as far as I am aware, but rather be considerably weaker
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Is he?

The only time I remember that was when Tony has the endo sym armor, but that armor is variable in AP, and in it's "normal" state, it's best feats comprise of taking out a bunch of Tony's much older 7-B armors. I'm talking like pre extremis.
 
Well, does Iron Man really routinely slug it out with Blue Marvel-level beings?
 
Antvasima said:
Just a few notes:

King Hyperion fought with two other versions of Hyperion in the Exiles comic book, one of them the Squadron Supreme version, so he, Anti-Man, and the Blue Marvel should scale to that by scaling and overall context.

Also, Sersi is not very physically powerful at all compared to Gilgamesh, but is extremely versatile and dangerous due to all of her hax.
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LordTracer said:
Isn’t Blue Marvel gonna be High 6-A, not 5-B?
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Antvasima said:
High 6-A as a minimum, but I think that he should scale to King Hyperion, who fought the Squadron Supreme incarnation of Hyperion and another version at the same time, so that would warrant 5-B instead, which also fits better thematically.
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Anyway, I would appreciate feedback about this.

@Confluctor
 
If we do upgrade the other two Hypes, that would move up Wonder Man and everyone scaling to him to blue marvel tier. But yes, they will be high 6a or whatever. 5B is only for eternals.

Oh wait a minute, Gilgamesh file is deleted. So no scaling can be done. Eternals and others have to stick to BM somehow.

Hyperion 712 > Controlled Ikaris (from Quasar run). So, they probably need to all stay in the same tier actually.

Now that arises other issues... Is it wise to scale literally everyone from one statement? That just seems flimsy.
 
Confluctor said:
If we do upgrade the other two Hypes, that would move up Wonder Man and everyone scaling to him to blue marvel tier. But yes, they will be high 6a or whatever. 5B is only for eternals.
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I do not think that Ikaris is officially supposed to be more powerful than The Blue Marvel and Hyperion, and would prefer if we do not insert too many confusing sub-levels for the Marvel characters.
Confluctor said:
Oh wait a minute, Gilgamesh file is deleted. So no scaling can be done. Eternals and others have to stick to BM somehow.
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Well, you can either just mention the feat in another profile page or ask for help with recreating Gilgamesh's profile page instead.
Confluctor said:
Hyperion 712 > Controlled Ikaris (from Quasar run). So, they probably need to all stay in the same tier actually.
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Yes, agreed.
Confluctor said:
Now that arises other issues... Is it wise to scale literally everyone from one statement? That just seems flimsy.
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That is a good point. We could use Gilgamesh's 5-B feat instead, and use The Watcher's High 6-A claim as supporting evidence for The Blue Marvel alone, if you wish.
 
Antvasima said:
do not think that Ikaris is officially supposed to be more powerful than The Blue Marvel and Hyperion,
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That's what I have been saying since day 1. Just leave them where they are
Antvasima said:
and would prefer if we do not insert too many confusing sub-levels for the Marvel characters
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Uh, no. It's better to be accurate and have multiple sub tiers than have virtually everyone scaling to the same value - which, for the record, is extremely wrong and inaccurate.

And what is our aim again? Not to confuse people or accuracy? I am getting lost on the messaging sometimes here
 
Confluctor said:
That's what I have been saying since day 1. Just leave them where they are
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And where are they currently? High 6-C? I think that 5-B seems more reliable.
Confluctor said:
Uh, no. It's better to be accurate and have multiple sub tiers than have virtually everyone scaling to the same value - which, for the record, is extremely wrong and inaccurate.

And what is our aim again? Not to confuse people or accuracy? I am getting lost on the messaging sometimes here
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Accuracy is obviously much better, but given that these characters are usually presented as roughly comparable, it turns hard to separate them into several tiers without turning the scaling into an even more confusing and contradictory mess than currently.
LordTracer said:
I’d like to note that we also have Grey Hulk’s 5-B feat, which, contrary to what his page says, he performed pretty casually and not angry in the slightest.
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Yes, that combined with the Gilgamesh feat seems reasonable to scale from. What do the rest of you think about giving the Hulk a varies between 5-B and 3-C tier, rather than varies between High 6-C and 3-C?
 
Antvasima said:
Accuracy is obviously much better, but given that these characters are usually presented as roughly comparable, it turns hard to separate them into several tiers without turning the scaling into an even more confusing and contradictory mess than currently
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I mean we are continuosly trying to account for every feat of theirs possible and find a middle ground for them. It's not a mess, it's a solution.
 
Okay. So do you think that we should make some of them High 6-A and other 5-B then? Or do you want to keep them all at High 6-C?

I personally prefer to keep consistently comparable characters at a comparable level though.
 
Two options. Option 1; keep everyone where they are. I would rather not have a huge chunk of characters scaling to a statement.*

Option 2: create three scaling chains for the current high 6cs. Some stays here, some gets upgraded to high 6a and some to 5b.**

*Gilgamesh's feat is a statement too, isn't it?

**Agnna has issues with current high 6cs and he thinks the calcs will be tier 7 only.
 
I forgot to mention this feat that could be Low 5-B: The Thing resisted an attack capable of splitting a planet in two.
 
Confluctor said:
Two options. Option 1; keep everyone where they are. I would rather not have a huge chunk of characters scaling to a statement.*

Option 2: create three scaling chains for the current high 6cs. Some stays here, some gets upgraded to high 6a and some to 5b.**

*Gilgamesh's feat is a statement too, isn't it?

**Agnna has issues with current high 6cs and he thinks the calcs will be tier 7 only.
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Well, tier 5-B would have both the Gilgamesh statement, the Thing feat, and a calm grey Hulk destroying an asteroid twice the size of the Earth as a basis. Would that be sufficient? High 6-A seems less warranted in comparison.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, tier 5-B would have both the Gilgamesh statement, the Thing feat, and a calm grey Hulk destroying an asteroid twice the size of the Earth as a basis. Would that be sufficient? High 6-A seems less warranted in comparison.
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Definitely better than basing it off statement.

Also, does anyone know why we initially stopped using Grey Hulk's 5B feat?
 
I do not remember. Sorry.
 
Yes, agreed, although did he have the Power Gem at that point?
 
ObberGobb said:
Does Monica's 5-B feat count for anything, or is she not connected to this scaling chain?
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What's her feat again?

Also she had a star level feat in this one avengers book. Where she extinguished a star in the dark dimension
 
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