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Marvel Character Speeds

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Tom Brevoort looks to be evading giving any specific answer so we can't get much from him imo. I asked him a while back how he sees Thor's reflexes, given that Thor has a history of microsecond reactions, but then gets blitzed by Mongoose and Wolverine nowadays.

He said that Thor has the reflexes of a standard Asgardian, though I guess that'd be around Spiderman level. Which kinda contradicts both extreme high end and low end of Thor's reflexes a bit. Ok, not so much the low, but still.
 
Well, the problem is that it isn't just Tom saying that various characters have comparable speeds with Thor. It is Tom + the handbooks + most of their interactions with each other.
 
Yes. Thor has a speed rating of 7 based on his flight speed. In the Master Edition flight speed and movement speed were kept separate.

Still, it seems like we are going to use an "At least ... (based on power-scaling/handbooks). Probably ... (based on feats)" approach.
 
Since no one has a Deadpool calc that doesn't use scaling to another character, is there anyone who's rated at his level of speed in the handbooks?
 
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Still, it seems like we are going to use an "At least ... (based on power-scaling/handbooks). Probably ... (based on feats)" approach.
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I guess we're going with Gemmy's method then...
 
Well, we could rate Deadpool as "At least (Captain America's level)".
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
Since no one has a Deadpool calc that doesn't use scaling to another character, is there anyone who's rated at his level of speed in the handbooks?
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Dodging 60 km/s electricity from... Sour... S... Someone (I dont remember her name)?

Is also in the video

Ask ThePerpetual
 
Repeatedly, at close range, over and over again, alongside aforementioned Cyclops eye lasers (which were able to move at the notable speeds mentioned) and hails of gunfire simultaneously. That's why I'm a bit hesitant to try to write him (and comparable characters) off as merely bullet-timing.
 
Cyclops does not shoot lasers. His blasts have physical impact. They do not melt objects. We will also need scans of him avoiding lightning bolts, and gauge if he was Aim Dodging due to Surge moving comparatively very slowly.
 
Cyclops has something more akin to concussive bolts. Though he does seem to have power over whether or not the "laser" could reflect off mirrors and such.

Do we have a calc for Cyclops' eyebeams' speed?
 
Nah. I am currently in the process of trying to organise an upgrade. We simply need a few more reliable calculations to scale from.

I am just saying that, given the massive inconsistencies between writer to writer and decade to decade, we cannot assume that a different writer 30 years afterwards allows Cyclops to have the exact same beam speed.
 
Yeah


But... We just accepted Cap reacting to a Triple Digit Mach Spaceship... from just moving his head?

And Deadpool easilt dodged Surge's electricity
 
Do you have a pic of Surge trying to shock Deadpool? Just so the calcers can check it out and for the mods to decide if it's good enough. To be fair, Cap was able to look at its direction, not just randomly turning around and hoping to see it.
 
Personally, I think that Cap reacting to a spaceship seems like a Plot Induced Stupidity outlier, but that is me. Aren't there other calculations of Captain America speed feats, from regularly avoiding lots of shots from multiple uzis at once, and the like?

Or do the rest of you think that we should use that?
 
I'm fine with not using it since "Peak Human" with 3-digit mach reflexes is stupid in my ears. Iirc, didn't Cap outrun bullets somewhere? Or was that someone else.
 
Okay so it seems we're still in this joint on how the F we're going to upgrade the characters beyond their handbook stats, i see....
 
Nah, we are just talking about which calculations to use, and if there are more of them available.
 
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Nah, we are just talking about which calculations to use, and if there are more of them available.
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Mmm. Though honestly at this point, your really starting to lose me here on continuing with this thread. The only reason why i'm still here if there's any other possible ways we can scale the characters to that isn't considered "ountlandish".
 
Well, okay. Maybe I am too picky. I suppose that we will have to work with what we have.

Still, I would appreciate if our members can find more calculations for Marvel character speeds. I mean, they regularly avoid bullets from lots of Hydra agents with uzis and the like. Are there no calculations for that sort of thing?
 
Kaen has a point. Using such logia is a bit odd and not really combat applicable. There's this that puts him at Hypersonic+ at best for intercepting Hawkeye's arrow.
 
Oh i remember seeing that a little while ago. That calc shouldn't be ridiculous to use for Cap, yea? Maybe?
 
That seems better to use, yes. Thank you.
 
Hmm. Never mind. Without calculation stacking that seems far too low (A little over Mach 1) instead.

Are there really no calculations of situations when he has fought multiple Hydra or AIM members shooting at him with uzis, or similar? I seem to recall that sort of thing happening quite frequently.
 
Oh well, I suppose that our two best options are either to scale Captain America (and similarly rated characters) from Black Panther outrunning an explosion, or from that he personally reacted to a spaceship by moving his head.

Which one do the rest of you prefer?
 
I'd prefer the outrunning-the-explosion Panther feat. It sounds like something Cap can do, around hypersonic+ methinks?

MHS headturner Cap is just to high above the clouds for me to see it as something else other than an outlier. If he had other MHS feats though, that changes things.
 
Okay. Thanks for the input. Anybody else?
 
The one of Cap scaling from Black Panther is good. Honestly the spaceship one seems like something that Cap COULD also do. But the one of him being scaled to Panter is kind of something i can see Cap doing due to his superhuman enhancements...
 
Only the third manner in which the feat was calculated is calc stacking. The second one uses an assumption based on the inferred statement of Hawkeye's arrow being comparable to a bullet being true, resulting in Mach 11 or Hypersonic+ Captain America.
 
I re-checked, and you are correct. The Black Panther value is higher though.

In addition, I recall that there was an issue of the original Power Man & Iron Fist in which IF actually managed to deflect all of the bullets from an uzi at close range for a prolonged time. That would be an excellent feat to scale from.
 
I Googled and couldn't find it, but in the process I found several other useful bullet-dodging feats for him, Captain America, and even Batman:

[1]

[2]

[3]

[4]

[5]

[6]

It would be extremely useful if the calculation group members would evaluate them.
 
[1] What's a fletchette?

[3] Are those real lasers or something bullet speed? Could be hypersonic or something, by guesstimate.

[4] Damn. Peak human my a**. Hypersonic+ atleast methinks.

[5] Sub/supersonic methinks.

[6] Supersonic+/Hypersonic methinks.

Just guesses though. I'm all for having real calcers check.
 
I have asked the calculation group members to take a look.
 
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