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Marvel Character Speeds

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Well, we do make a general distinction between movement speed and flight speed, for Marvel characters in particular, but the question is what other types of feats that we should use or count as outliers, and how the characters should scale from each other based on it?
 
Most forums I know of mainly use Surfer's high end feats, and very few (if at all) use the databooks for Marvel to rate characters.

I am not implying they know the context behind the feats, but just the general standing of Marvel characters outside the wiki
 
@Gemmysaur That might be an idea, yes. "At least "..." based on power-scaling. Possibly "..." based on feats".
 
I see. Well, the other approach would be to base their stats off of what level of power they show more consistently.

I recall Lobo being moved to "unknown" as opposed to High 4-C like Superman, since he has had more showings of losing to people weaker than Superman (or something like that at least).
 
Yes. The fact that different writers use different Marvel & DC characters at virtually whatever level that they want, makes them extremely hard to power-scale, unless consistently shown at, or above, the same level, having the same power-source, being the same species, or similar.

Lobo generally has difficulty with characters enormously weaker than Superman.
 
Consistency wouldn't work either, as it would ridiculously downgrade virtually all powerhouse characters to building level.
 
Okay. So Prom's suggestion probably doesn't work. Perpetual's is a no go. Does Gemmyseur works, Ant?
 
Now that I look at it, Gemmysaur's idea sounds fairly reasonable for at least some characters that are too inconsistent to guage.
 
"At least (powerscaling/databooks), probably (feats)" seems good, to me.

Also, as has been pointed out to me, "Possibly" should be "Probably", now.
 
Okay, "At least "..." based on power-scaling/databooks. Possibly "..." based on feats" it seems to be then.

(I think that "Probably" implies too high certainty in this extremely uncertain case.)

However, scaling from flight speed is still a no go, given how explicitly Marvel itself has repeatedly stated it.

Anyway, we still have to determine what feats that we should use?

For example, Thor is officially only as swift as Spider-Man, and the Surfer and Thanos as swift as the Hulk and Deadpool, so power-scaling from that would likely be the first statistic.

We can use the high end feats for the second, as long as we avoid mixing flight speed into it.
 
Alright, looks like we found a potential method to somewhat solve this issue. So basically like what Prom had said earlier in a way similar to Gemmy's, we use the databooks as the low end for the characters but put them as probably higher based on feats. The only issue being that we can't use feats that mixes flight speed into it as you said, correct Ant?
 
Well, it might be best if we use the databooks for scaling them to some appropriate earthbound character such as Spider-Man and Deadpool, but also use individual higher speed feats, if available.

However, yes, flight speed is inappropriate to scale from.
 
Also, never mind about "Possibly". If "Probably" is the wiki's standard format, I suppose that we will have to use that.
 
Well, it depends on their feats. We need a list of accepted Marvel character speed feat calculations, that are not related to flight.
 
Okay. If somebody could find considerably more of them, that would be appreciated.
 
Here is what I have found so far:

Loki reacts to radio waves, Mach 55k.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=34165

Quicksilver outruns light.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=34167

Johnny has a feat here that's at least Mach 9,800, though I'm too lazy to see if it's travel speed.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=25405

Black Panther outruns an explosion, Mach 21.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22235

The Thing demonstrates Mach 356 reaction time.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22001

Invisible Woman demonstrates Mach 51 reaction time.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=22000

Captain America has shown Mach 189 speed and Maxh 1,892 reaction time.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21579
 
Marvel doesn't even know what peak human is. Like, whut?

But yeah, iirc Cap was described as 'peak of human perfection' or something like that right? So something like borderline superhuman, but still, MHS? Not that I'm complaining though.
 
Does anybody have a calculation for Deadpool?

Also, which other characters do you all think should power-scale to the above calculations?
 
Antvasima said:
Does anybody have a calculation for Deadpool?
Also, which other characters do you all think should power-scale to the above calculations?
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Again, I have a MHS calc for Deapool (which put him to be faster than Cap America) so....
 
I would appreciate if you would post the link then.
 
Here n.n/

vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:KaenDragneel123/Cyclops%27_Beam_Speed_(Casually_this_aplies_to_Deadpool%27s_Reactions_lol)
 
We cannot scale him from the speed of Cyclops' blasts in a story 3 decades earlier. Different writers and eras use different standards.
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
Did you even check the calc?
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Yes.

Using a standard attack range of 10 meters, that would make Cap able to react to (perceive but not necessarily dodge) an attack moving at Mach 1892.020767.

For melee range, that drops to 'Mach 189.2020767'.

"Peak human" my ass.
 
Well, the exact given speed levels are obviously false, but the handbooks still show how swift characters are officially supposed to be in relation to each other.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, we cannot scale the Marvel characters from their flight speeds, as Tom Brevoort has repeatedly stated that this is not the case, which is backed up by the handbooks and general interactions with other characters, but other feats might be an idea.
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Yeah I know, I'm just saying that using Tom's word for everything ends up in pretty silly situations like the aforementioned MFTL+ but slower than Spidey combat wise Surfer and, most notably, Sub-Human combat speed Thor.

While I have no problem not correlating flight speed to combat speed, you have to admit the absurdly huge difference Tom puts them at is a bit weird, especially with on-panel evidence suggesting otherwise.

I believe Surfer has a feat of searching everything on Earth in just a few seconds fairly casually, which would double as reactions. Not sure if that's been calculated though.
 
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