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Marvel Character Speeds

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What is the calculation that supposedly placed Deadpool at MHS?
 
I am afraid that we cannot power-scale between different writers and eras, with different standards and power levels, via calculation stacking.
 
Antvasima said:
I am afraid that we cannot power-scale between different writers and eras, with different standards and power levels, via calculation stacking.
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1. Deadpool has A LOT of bullet dodging/dancing feats

2. At least the calc stills useful for Cyclops \:
 
We need direct Deadpool speed calculations.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, as I mentioned earlier, the problem is that plenty of characters do not have any particular speed feats, but are consistently able to keep up with each other.
As for Thor catching his hammer. It automatically returns to his hand, so that falls under hax and durability.
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I get that the hammer will return to his hand, but he did lift his arm out to reach for it in a one-panel timeframe, which would give a really high arm movement speed. I remember a more modern comic had him reacting to a spaceship heading towards the solar system at "many times faster than light".
 
Well, in practical close combat he never displays such speeds, and then there are the official statements and handbooks that completely separate his flight and movement speed.
 
So, does anybody have an actual speed calculation for Deadpool, or other characters with "enhanced human" speed, or should we simply place them somewhere in-between the speeds of Captain America and Spider-Man?
 
Antvasima said:
So, does anybody have an actual speed calculation for Deadpool, or other characters with "enhanced human" speed, or should we simply place them somewhere in-between the speeds of Captain America and Spider-Man?
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How bout putting them at Atleast Cap Speed, Likely Higher?

On another note, is there a way to multiquote here?

Anyway, the topic of Thor's hammer flying at lightspeed++ and returning to his hand, he can always will it to fly towards his hand instead of going towards anywhere else on his body. Also, he seems to move faster in space than he does on Earth and that can be interpreted in different ways including holding back, so yeah, can't use that theory.

Thor could probably see at those MFTL speeds, but can't move his enormous 600lbs body to match it. This could be why he can fly easily enough at those speeds seemingly without crashing through any celestial bodies (I mean space objects, not Marvel Celestials btw) along the way.

So we could put him at Supersonic (or something, whatever his body speed is) with MFTL+ reactions, MFTL+ flight. That's just my thoughts though.
 
Well, in the Master Edition handbook, Thor's reflexes were also listed on the same level as Spider-Man.
 
And back to the handbooks once more, huh? I gotta tell ya, Ant. I have no idea how your going to be able to solve this issue out if the handbooks have to get brought up everytime. Again, no offense.
 
Well, we have to scale the characters to each other somehow, and the alternative would be that every character that has consistently kept up with Thor's speed should be upgraded to MFTL+ reflexes.
 
May i presume that some who have been shown to keep up with Thor consistently are those who are way lower to him in power? Like say......Spiderman? Captain America?
 
Thor can have MFTL+ reactions imo, but his body is too slow for it to matter, which could be why he's only rated at the level of Spiderman. He needs the hammer to move his body for him since he's too slow on his own.

His slow body is what we can scale to others since he can't physically react to anything higher than what his body can do methinks.
 
@CrossverseCrisis Yes, even Wolverine. Thor has never been shown to have overwhelming speed in comparison with other characters. Mind you, much of this is probably typical Marvel Plot Induced Stupidity, but nevertheless, if both the handbooks, consistency, and the head editor in charge of all of the characters' power levels, say the same thing, it is hard to avoid.
 
Well, the thing is that most regular Marvel characters that engage in combat with Thor have regularly kept up with his speed. I don't recall seeing him blitz them.
 
@Desthetical IIRC Spidey has dodged light from a long-distance while bloodlusted with precog, but he still got hit after dodging a few blasts
 
Antvasima said:
Well, the thing is that most regular Marvel characters that engage in combat with Thor have regularly kept up with his speed. I don't recall seeing him blitz them.
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That's a good point. Combat speed is harder to judge, especially with MCU, and the cinematic movement.
 
MCU is easier to deal with actually. It doesn't have the constant retcons and the "author interpretations" of the marvel 616 comic verse.
 
So, any more input regarding how, specifically, that we should handle the scaling? Given how complicated the issue is, I am somewhat at a loss myself.
 
You mean besides the fact that we can't use any speed calc that might be considered outliers? No clue on my end...
 
Well, it is more that we should probably try to somehow synchronise the speed levels between characters, and a MFTL+ reflexes Thor does not seem to fit with being officially on the same speed level as Spider-Man, or that he is constantly shown to be around that level when interacting with other characters. But I may be wrong. I cannot make proper sense of it myself.
 
Hmm. Well i got nothing anyways. Prom's would still kind of work though. Perpetual's would as well if not for the whole "Thor having MFTL+ reactions would mean we'd have MFTL+ Spiderman and whatnot" thing.

But yeah, this is really getting nowhere, dude. It's either we try to do this or just stick to using the Handbooks....
 
and about the thor thing, must if not all of his mftl speed feats come from when his in space where there is no air resistance, so if why were to have a MFTL Thor, have one speed rating for when his on earth or a planet and in one in space
 
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i feel like we should rate the marvel characters the same why the odb rates them in speed imo
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I agree with this for the most part. It'd be really hard to make a consistent scaling without access to all the fights and feats. Even then it'd take a lot of effort. OBD just uses consistent high-ends and scalings that seem appropriate for those high-ends, which really simplifies the matter.
 
Plus it does seem a tad silly to have cosmic beings like Silver Surfer with supersonic reflexes when he's crossing galaxies in seconds and such
 
Well, we cannot scale the Marvel characters from their flight speeds, as Tom Brevoort has repeatedly stated that this is not the case, which is backed up by the handbooks and general interactions with other characters, but other feats might be an idea.
 
What appears to be the case with the majority of these Marvel characters is feats of a much higher magnitude than what is intended by the author being performed. Take the Silver Surfer who was just mentioned, who has crossed galaxies in short periods of time yet is described as having superhuman reflexes, as being a classic case of author intent contradicting on panel feats.

The best approach would be to simply either use the feats displayed or to follow the "word of god" what is intended to be.
 
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