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Marvel Character Speeds

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Hmm. It seems like very respected people at the OBD do not think that it counts, thanks to the precognition aspect. Maybe "Supersonic travel speed. Massively Hypersonic combat speed. (Comparative to Relativistic reflexes aided by precognition)" would be acceptable?
 
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Like how a peak human with precog could dodge a sniper round and still be just peak human, but have effectively superhuman reactions.
 
Oh that's a good one to put. Supersonic travel speed, MHS combat speed, and.....Relativisitc reflexes by Spider-sense?
 
Okay, so should we wait and see if the calculation group performs any other of the calculations, or start to upgrade soon? And if the latter, which ones should we use?
 
Okay. After much work, I have now updated all of the Marvel characters based on their official handbook ratings.

If they were listed at higher speed levels in the latest handbook, and are not able to fly, I scaled from that. Otherwise I used the Master Edition. If neither was available, or did not list their movement speeds, I used consistency (if they have often matched characters on a certain level) instead.

I scaled their combat speed from Spider-Man if they have been listed at his level, and from the Black Panther, if they were either listed as equal to him (Captain America, Iron Fist...), swifter than him, but slower than Spider-Man (Deadpool, Cable...), or almost comparable, but consistently able to keep up with such characters (Wolverine, Daredevil...).

Otherwise, I used "Unknown" speed for supposedly human or athlete level characters (Tony Stark, Kitty Pryde...)

In addition, I also updated Thor's, Beta Ray Bill's, Jane Foster's, and Gladiator's statistics to higher levels, scaling from their actual feats, as I think that we have likely been unfair to them.

The Destroyer was scaled from Thor, due to consistently being depicted as more powerful.

Some characters were also placed at Unknown ratings, even though there is no reason to (Vision, Blastaar...), so I scaled from their handbook ratings.

The Sentry's statistics are also all over the place, and seem very unreliable, but we probably have to talk about them in a separate topic.

However, help to gradually improve upon the pages is, as always, very appreciated.
 
Doctor Strange received Unknown combat speed (due to being listed as an ordinary Ahtlete). Loki and Galactus received "Massively Hypersonic" combat speed (due to being listed at "Superhuman" handbook speed).
 
There are plenty of obvious problems with scaling so many characters from extreme feats by a few characters stated to be comparable, but it seemed to be the least bad option for the moment, and at least there is hopefully less risk of people thinking that we deliberately nerf the Marvel characters compared to other franchises.
 
I mean, the problem here is that Marvel as a whole is nearly impossible to properly evaluate due to massive amounts of extreme inconsistencies, not that we have anything against the stories or characters.
 
Agreed, there doesn't seem to be a perfect solution. Hopefully this suggestion made by Gremmysaur:

Gemmysaur said:
Can't we like, Atleast <Insert Low-end Scaling here>, Potentially <High-end Scaling here>?
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Allows us to maintain the integrity of the system but please the Marvel fans as well.

That said, Should we place Loki as "At Least Massively Hypersonic. Probably Sub-relatavistic+ via feats since it's supported by a calc?
 
His magic and consciousness intercepting radio waves seems more like 1960s Plot Induced Stupidity than a useful movement feat.
 
@Tribunal: It's up to you. Thing is he's still pretty slow even with the recent change.

@Everyone else: But anyways as Ant said, improvement upon the Marvel pages is always appreciated to have and do.
 
Yes. More calculations for individual speed feats can potentially place them higher.

Speaking of which, regarding the Surfer, if somebody can get his feats of reacting in nanosecond calculated, we can do the same as with Thor and use: "At least Massively Hypersonic. Possibly ... based on his own feats".
 
Antvasima said:
Yes. More calculations for individual speed feats can potentially place them higher.
Speaking of which, regarding the Surfer, if somebody can get his feats of reacting in nanosecond calculated, we can do the same as with Thor and use: "At least Massively Hypersonic. Possibly ... based on his own feats".
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Wait where's this nanosecond feat? Is it just him calculating something in a nanosecond or moving in a nanosecond?
 
I found a couple of the nanosecond feats in question, and while searching for them I also found these.

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Modern scans of Surfer reacting while in flight. The first one is most definitely MFTL+ flight and reaction just going by what's stated on panel.
 
Man Ant i gotta say. Can't believe you manage to actually solve some bit of this issue on several of the Marvel characters speed levels here. :)

Though Galactus being MHS by being around or higher than Spiderman via handbook actually irks me. Just voicing my thought on that.

In any case, we can use any speed feats that can be presented to here so long as they are not......outlandish?
 
@LordXcano We cannot scale movement speed from flight speed. Marvel officially makes a massive distinction between the two.

This speed feat seems legitimate though.

@CrossverseCrisis Well, it was a lot of work, and I constantly had to reference the Master Edition handbook, and the Marvel wiki's copied statistics from the latest official handbook version.

I don't think that Galactus has demonstrated considerable movement speed when interacting with other characters, or at least he is usually depicted as pretty slow.

And we have to evaluate if each speed feat seems like an outlier or not, but given that the Surfer and Thor probably have other of extreme speed feats that we do not remember, I think that we can list them as a possibility, if calculated.
 
"We cannot scale movement speed from flight speed. Marvel officially makes a massive distinction between the two."

Then don't use the meteor one. Use the one where he's flying past billions of stars yet still able to keep track of and calculate the position of every one of them. The fact that he's flying doesn't make a difference, it's still casually reacting to things moving at an MFTL+ speed.
 
I think that it logically scales to his mental thinking speed, and possibly his reactions, yes, but am still not sure if we can use it. Tom Brevoort has repeatedly stated that flight speed is kept separate from everything else, and the Surfer was listed as merely having enhanced human reflexes in the Master edition handbook.

However, the feat of moving in nanoseconds that I provided should be fine.
 
I don't really see why it'd make a difference whether or not Surfer is flying. Had billions of stars been flying past him it definitely would've scaled to reactions, so just through spatial relativeness there's no difference between Surfer keeping track of an MFTL+ object moving past him and and him flying past and keeping track of a stationary object at MFTL+ speeds.
 
I technically agree that logically it should scale to reflexes, but see the Speed page for an explanation why these types of situation are generally unreliable. I am too tired right now.

Anyway, the other feat I provided should work fine. I am more comfortable scaling pure movement speeds.
 
Get some sleep. I'll do the nanosecond feat later although it's probably going to be depressingly low (like maybe 3c).
 
I think Ant said something about against using that. But i'll let him explain it later when he gets back online.
 
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