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Marvel Character Speeds

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Well, it is the scaling between characters that is the complicated and tricky part.
 
I think each case should be looked into individually taking into consideration both the handbook and feats.
 
Okay. Use the feats, but check if the handbook and interactions with other characters make some of the most extreme ones seem like outliers then?
 
The problem is that several of the characters do not have any particular feats, but are consistently able to keep up with each other, alternately have comparable handbook ratings.
 
We should probably just consider them by feats of characters thought to be on their level and maybe discard the databook ratings, since they are very subjective and don't reflect the reality of the situation. Powerful characters in marvel tend to stand out so it shouldn't be very hard once we get past who scales to bullet timers.
 
I feel that the feats that a character has themselves consistently displayed, without having to scale in relation to others, should be our first source of ratings for their speed. After all, it has never been our policy to go with authorial intent over actual feats displayed when the two contradict, except of course in the case of outliers/contradictions and the like, which are probably best handled on a case-by-case basis given a context.

This isn't to say, though, that these pages do not have any merit. If two characters are both in the same general "weight class" and are noted frequently to actually keep up with one another, repeatedly, or are noted as equals, that may be workable in terms of scaling.
 
ThePerpetual said:
I feel that the feats that a character has themselves consistently displayed, without having to scale in relation to others, should be our first source of ratings for their speed. After all, it has never been our policy to go with authorial intent over actual feats displayed when the two contradict, except of course in the case of outliers/contradictions and the like, which are probably best handled on a case-by-case basis given a context.
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So... Do you still ok with Deadpool's speed feats?
 
Yes, as he's been shown to be able to do them multiple times, has very casually deflected bullets and the like as well portraying an intended level of superhuman speed, and is a special case in terms of contradictions to the times he has been tagged by bullets because he in particular sometimes simply lets himself get tagged by bullets, as his ultra-regen can usually just patch it up. Honestly, I don't even think that much is a valid argument in this case.

I'd recommend you continue this duscussion on the actual DP thread, though, don't want to end up derailing this one on accident.
 
What about Thor catching his hammer on its return trip after he chucked it across the galaxy, or Thor blocking a laser from the Living Laser?
 
Well, as I mentioned earlier, the problem is that plenty of characters do not have any particular speed feats, but are consistently able to keep up with each other.

As for Thor catching his hammer. It automatically returns to his hand, so that falls under hax and durability.
 
Hmm. That seems like a valid feat too.

So, should we really scale Thor, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Sentry, Drax, Thanos, etcetera as FTL+ combat speed because of it? It does seem extremely inconsistent with their regular showings.
 
I suppose so, but a considerable amount of characters would scale from it, and given the enormous inconsistencies, we don't seem to have any entirely good options here.
 
Well, the issue is that Hulk and Thor are always shown at equal speed, and Thor was similarly blitzed by Mongoose, who Spider-Man had a much easier time dealing with. He has even been blitzed by Wolverine.

We might have to stick with the recurrent bullet-dodging feats as a standard after all, and treat all FTL feats as outliers, as Spider-Man is consistently shown to outmanoeuvre the types of powerhouse characters that I mentioned earlier. Mind you, he does have precognition and agility to help him out, but nevertheless.
 
I agree, the feats, the statements (Iron Man stopped Thor from fighting Spider-Man saying he was too fast for him), and WOG all agree with each other, and makes it very hard to take these few instances seriously.
 
So......are we like stuck to having to use the comicbooks again for the time being or is there still some way where we don't use them entirely?
 
ThePerpetual said:
I feel that the feats that a character has themselves consistently displayed, without having to scale in relation to others, should be our first source of ratings for their speed. After all, it has never been our policy to go with authorial intent over actual feats displayed when the two contradict, except of course in the case of outliers/contradictions and the like, which are probably best handled on a case-by-case basis given a context.

This isn't to say, though, that these pages do not have any merit. If two characters are both in the same general "weight class" and are noted frequently to actually keep up with one another, repeatedly, or are noted as equals, that may be workable in terms of scaling.
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(Sorry for the large block of text) but I believe this suggestion seems pretty good Cross. Perhaps the databook changes won't affect tthings as much as we fear, they should still be listed as equal to each other, no? Useless to determine how fast they can go (we can use feats for that) it may be used to determine who scales to who.
 
@CrossverseCrisis Well, I think that we seem to be leaning towards using the more consistent bullet-timing speed feats for scaling. The question is which of our profiles of Marvel characters that should scale from it, and how?
 
Aye, yeah i saw his comment earlier. I suppose his reasoning is good as well. Like i can see this working if two or more character are within the same speed class AND also have been, for the most part, consistently be able to keep up with one another.

Oh and the first part works too of course...
 
@TheMightyRegulator Well, the problem is that, for example, Captain America and Iron Fist have plenty of bullet timing feats, the same as Spider-Man, despite only supposedly being peak human in speed, whereas Spidey is superhuman. And there are lots of inconsistencies like this.
 
Thoughts

  • Accept the databook entries as lowballs in terms of description, but accurate when it comes to the specifics of comparisons and such.
  • Characters in the "peak human" range could be within the Subsonic to Supersonic+ range. Characters comparable to Spider-Man may be best to put as "Hypersonic+", based on the reactions listed for Spider-Man as he is now.
  • Characters with not completely ridiculous FTL feats (like Thor, Silver Surfer, etc.) may warrant a "Possibly higher."
Again, not well-versed on Marvel.
 
Well, we probably need some more speed calculations for Spider-Man, Captain America, Deadpool, etcetera, to scale from.
 
Of course, but those are just going off of the information I had to go off of for now.
 
Yes. Thank you for the input.
 
Amazing Prom. I believe there is a peak human calc (hawkeye) in the blog I linked detailing Thor's speed which probably can scale to peak humans (Supersonic) and here's one for Spider-Man rating him as High Hypersonic.
 
Prom's is a good one to go for if Perpetual's suggestion doesn't work out.

Actually now that she mentioned it, i kind of now see the Handbooks as being a lowball end for the characters speed level, with any calcs or other not considered "Outliers" as being a high end option.

Does that sound like something you'd agree with, Ant?
 
Well, we talked about that Spider-Man feat previously, and it seemed very strange, but if the OBD accepts it, I suppose that we can too.

So, characters with official Peak Human speed at Supersonic, and characters with official Superhuman speed as High Hypersonic.

The question is what we should scale characters with official enhanced human speed as? Does anybody have a Deadpool calculation?
 
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The question is what we should scale characters with official enhanced human speed as? Does anybody have a Deadpool calculation?
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i only have one, but probably an outlier uwu
 
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