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Marvel: Big Yggdrasil Downgrade, Skyfather Upgrades, and Thor Revisions
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Are there anti feats for 1-A?
Yeah, Abstracts would just scale higher into 1-A
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Agreed. Even characters like Pre-Shaman Nate Grey have feats of significantly affecting the Astral Plane, and Nate Grey blatantly caps at Celestial Level (Considering what Asheema said in Heroes Reborn: The Return, which essentially capped every mortal prior to Franklin that showed up as lesser than Celestial Level)
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Was this "divinity" ever elabored upon? Not sure if this is something that is a valid justification
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Not really to my knowledge, but he does say that he can make his corporeal form transcend dimensions
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Wait, hold on...
I feel like this should be discussed more... you're suggesting that Thor should go from 3-C normally and High 3-A at peak (no amps), to High 3-A normally and 1-A at peak (no amps)? So many chararacters scale to base Thor's 3-C rating... this is essentially an upgrade for all 3-C's to High 3-A and High 3-A's (like Sentry, Ultron, and Base Thanos) to 1-A.
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Aren’t characters supposed to vary in power canonically due to TOAA’s influence over the entire cosmology?
TOAA, as the representation of all writers, leads to variable interpretations of characters. For instance, Thor could be considered at most 4-B, Low 2-C, or even 1-A depending on the writer. Why don’t we reflect this characteristic in character profiles with a classification like this?
Thor
Tier: Varies (due to TOAA’s influence), generally Galaxy level (most consistent level according to the majority of writers) up to Outerverse level (his most powerful depiction).
TOAA, as the representation of all writers, leads to variable interpretations of characters. For instance, Thor could be considered at most 4-B, Low 2-C, or even 1-A depending on the writer. Why don’t we reflect this characteristic in character profiles with a classification like this?
Thor
Tier: Varies (due to TOAA’s influence), generally Galaxy level (most consistent level according to the majority of writers) up to Outerverse level (his most powerful depiction).
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Do you have a scan for that?
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That was agreed upon in a major CRT made by Ultima for the Marvel Comics cosmology.
Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2 of ????)
Hi all. Glad to see you all here after the previous thread. As the title suggests, this is a continuation of my ongoing revisions of Marvel's Cosmics, this time tackling the tiering of the Omniversal Abstracts. After this one, I plan to make a Part 2.5, which will deal with fixing... everything...
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What wording would you prefer for 1-A? I just really don't think "at peak" should be used for High 3-A, but I agree that it presents a problem for characters who theoretically scale to peak Thor. Like personally I wouldn't have a problem with Thanos scaling to Skyfather level anyway but I won't get into that. I also don't like the "inner life essence" wording we have now.
Also now I think that the Hercules infinite heavens feat might be 1-A. If that's true and people agree with my interpretation of it, then idk where that would leave High 3-A Heralds.
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Slowly and ineroxably everyone in Marvel comics will scale to tier 1, even basic human beings
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Why? I'm not proposing changing any of the current standards on how we deal with Herald scaling.
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Technically they would because the Ideaverse being a reality all Humans have significant control over, but that's neither here nor there.
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What topics are there to be discussed? Basically, my current proposals are:
- Make Yggdrasil scale to 1-A for encompassing all realities, which is supported by some other statements for Skyfather tiers
- Make Skyfathers scale to this from Odin and Atlas, all characters currently recognized as scaling above them will just upscale higher into 1-A
- Change Thor's keys to "3-C to High 3-A normally, up to 1-A at peak and with God Blast | 1-A | 1-A, up to High 1-A via absorption and God Blast | High 1-A"
- Potentially change Hercules to "3-C to High 3-A normally, up to 1-A at peak" due to his Axis Mundi feat
- Skyfathers scaling to all realities would potentially mess with Abstract scaling, as it would theoretically mean they scale to infinite Uni Eternities
- Changing "at peak" to be 1-A for Thor potentially causing issues with characters who scale to peak Thor, like Thanos and Ultron
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Wait, could you explain why the Heavens are 1-A? They're just among the lower mystic realms, all of which are High 1-B.
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Basically, when Atlas lifts the Heavens, he is linked to the Axis Mundi, which is the Greek incarnation of Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is just the Norse form of a structure that takes a different form for all beliefs. So I think that when Hercules takes Atlas' burden of lifting the Heavens, it would basically be the same as lifting Yggdrasil. I could be wrong in my interpretation of this though.
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Seems right, I'm always happy to see an upgrade for Hulk, now I just have to wait for High 1-A, sooner or later my dream will become reality
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Right now I'm only proposing that characters with direct Yggdrasil feats of their own (i.e. Thor, Storm, and Hercules. Maybe Enchantress) scale to 1-A
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Make sense.
That feat is used as Infinite LS for Heralds... Heaven should be a God realm just like Asgard and Olympus
Thanos and Ultron scales to High 3-A Thor for being one of the strongest herald tier characters.
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What do you think should be done about this?
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But they scale to Thor's peak, which is being proposed as 1-A, unless you give Thor 2 different physical peaks.
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The issue is that Silver Surfer (Post Annihilation) and Champion of the Universe (with Power Gem) scales to Thanos.
So they wouldn't scale to Peak Thor. Since 1-A isn't something Thor can just reach easily. They would just remain High 3-A
I think we should give Thor varies
Varies, usually 3-C to High 3-A, 1-A at peak and with God Blast
Since Thor canonically holds back massively.
It's just like Hulk situation. At a time, High 3-A (2-C then) was once his peak. That changed when he became High 1-B
