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Marvel 9-A Calcs Are Bad
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Yes. Read the scan, he gets decked to the Georgia in Europe, by Gorgon. This isn't even comic context here, they just straight up say it.
Having an Adamantium skeleton behind your punches helps, along with Cap and Nuke straight up being hurt by his punches and physicals, no claws.
He isn't "healing" there either mate, and adamantium extends to his skeleton, not his organics, if you wanna go this route. So either we assume Wolvie is healing off-page and redirecting blunt hits to his 3-C skeleton, great, the Georgia feat's invalid by same logic, or he's Cable tier for his flesh. Which will it be Lunge, please do tell me, so I can decipher the argument you're trying to make, and address whichever one you pick, saves time a decent bit.
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Is that a Crimson Dynamo?
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Yeah, they're supposed to be replicas of the OG armour iirc.
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Mmmmehhhhh the OG armor also compares to an Iron Man that lifted a rocket ez, something no one Daredevil tier has done.
Like they’re clearly meant to be notably stronger
Like they’re clearly meant to be notably stronger
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Been two weeks since thread got started.
I'll say this week is the last one to find shit for 9-As calcwise or I'll start working on the rescale sandbox based on what we got.
I'll say this week is the last one to find shit for 9-As calcwise or I'll start working on the rescale sandbox based on what we got.
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Probably unreliable since it's Crimson Dynamo but just a rough calc
Wall seems as thick as Hawkeye's forearm of 39.7 cm per human proportions calculation. Diameter seems to be Crimson Dynamo's height or 243.84 cm.
pi*121.92^2*42.83*6 = 12 000 493.4841, Wall level+
Kinda consistent but I guess I'll try to find better feats.
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Tbh, the Dynamo seems to be actively holding back its strength to such an extent that it would allow Hawkeye to survive, aka, he's hitting Hawkeye with only the force he knows that Hawkeye can survive, I think anyway, he seems to be alluding to that in that very same panel "We can't have you completely broken. You'd be useless in the camps". That makes it sounds like he's actively avoiding hawkeye dying, and only striking him with the energy he knows Hawkeye could take.
If that is the case, the feat should be fine to use as a durability feat, given it was a dude holding back to such an extent he knew Hawkeye would live it.
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If that is the case, the feat should be fine to use as a durability feat, given it was a dude holding back to such an extent he knew Hawkeye would live it.
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I'll read the comic later I guess, it's just four issues.
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Since the Elektra one is uncertain if it's actually a crater this Black Widow feat seems to be a more clear cut case of the wall being pressed in, but it's an alternate version of Iron Man so that complicates things again.
Iron Fist with another one that is way more clear cut.
Also LS feat, I might try calculating it (edit: he bent that with support from his leg really far apart so the result is meh).
Human shaped holes in walls are pretty good into 9-B (around a megajoule) per common feats page, probably a pretty common supporting feat among Marvel street tiers, just putting it here.
Iron Fist with another one that is way more clear cut.
Also LS feat, I might try calculating it (edit: he bent that with support from his leg really far apart so the result is meh).
Human shaped holes in walls are pretty good into 9-B (around a megajoule) per common feats page, probably a pretty common supporting feat among Marvel street tiers, just putting it here.
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Iron Fist thrown into wall
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Feat was a pain in the ass to calculate due to the weird shapes and perspectives so better for another calc group member to check it over.
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A list of the feats
1. Stilt Man breaks a wall (need to be evaluated)
2. Iron Fist durability (evaluated)
3. Moon Knight deforms a car (evaluated)
4. Daredevil busts a wall (evaluated)
5. Daredevil survives an explosion (evaluated)
6. Elsa Bloodstone deforms a car (evaluated)
7. Daredevil survives another explosion (evaluated)
8. Hawkeye durability (need to get bloged first but it seems fine math wise)
1. Stilt Man breaks a wall (need to be evaluated)
2. Iron Fist durability (evaluated)
3. Moon Knight deforms a car (evaluated)
4. Daredevil busts a wall (evaluated)
5. Daredevil survives an explosion (evaluated)
6. Elsa Bloodstone deforms a car (evaluated)
7. Daredevil survives another explosion (evaluated)
8. Hawkeye durability (need to get bloged first but it seems fine math wise)
We still have 5 of these to be calculated if anyone's interested
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Brick walls are meh because usually its just individual bricks falling apart rather than shattering them.
Also seems like Still-Man's fighting Spider-Man in the last scan?
Also seems like Still-Man's fighting Spider-Man in the last scan?
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Welp, that’s a week folks.
I’ll make the rescale sandbox and begin working on application
I’ll make the rescale sandbox and begin working on application
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Could you evaluate that @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan ?
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Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.
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The Imp-ress/9-A Downgrade
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Donezo. Those who upscale from DD significantly retain their 9-A, and Winter Soldier ratings are separate (Red Skull's page GREATLY MISASSOCIATES two 9-A feats to his base state, when they're him in the clone body)
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Application ig
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So we are scaling DD to 9-B+ via his own feats (downscaling to that explosion that ****** him up) and scaling, right? Then stronger dudes scale above him (need better justifications for that tho, I think I have some feats of stronger dudes against DD)
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Iron Fist 1975 Issue 5, overpowered by Iron Man. Iron Fist scales to Daredevil, arguably stronger than him, Stark can be upscaled.
Daredevil Vol 1 Issue 360 against Absorbing Man.
Most of the 9-A you linked there a unknown to me and I don't remember interactions with 9-B+ characters. The reason I'm saying we need better justifications is because Marvel profiles have lots of "Comparable to X" despite both characters never meeting each other or fighting each other. Since we have feats of these characters overpowering the weaker ones, we just use them and make it clear on the profile that they are upscaling.
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Feels contradictory for Iron Fist to be stronger in base physicals than DD tbh, seen more comparability than superiority between the two
Model 3 isn’t listed rn, but he’s 9-A+/8-C already scaling to Mandarin
Yeah already listed 9-A based on feats already listed :v
It’s an artifact iirc, of old timey filemaking where folks just presumed stats for DD to be lowest possible.
Fixing it is a later-date project, which isn’t really… relevant to this revision.
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Couldn't we just make Kingpin 9-B, possibly 9-A+?
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That's what he's listed, yeah
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Anyways I'll begin to apply this, really nothing controversial in the ratings since they're echo of previous stats already listed
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That is completely irrelevant, really, it doesn't change a thing. Being comparable to or superior to DD and someone beats your ass like Stark did with Danny is enough to scale. Discussing something really irrelevant here.
Then when or if we ever list Model 3 we can use this feat as a supporting feat.
Nope. We're scaling Absorbing Man to a random ****** who fought Daredevil when we can scale AM to Daredevil directly like in the fight I linked. Matt's statements are enough for scaling AM to 9-A, he almost died fighting him and had to use one of the few haxxes he has to beat him.
Doesn't mean we need to follow this. Just link feats and references, it isn't that hard, it's way better and reliable than saying "Comparable to X" without proof. Looks like we make an effort to be the laziest possible.
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I mean this entire convo’s irrelevant considering we just, have direct proofing of Iron Man being superior.
I don’t care about Iron Man in this para anyways, I just think the claim “Iron Fist is superior” is wrong, it’s relevant to address in the thread since if he was notably stronger, he’d be 9-A.
Why mention it? Him beating a 9-B is trivial for an 8-C rating and only serves to bloat his justification
I mean idk why you’re acting like Man-Bull is “some random ******”, that alone is sufficient, if you want to link the DD feat sure, idrc for more proofing.
Nobody claimed otherwise, an explanation of past indexing isn’t me conceding to them
I was already doing this. Keeping the thread open for this isn’t exactly needed.
Kind of rude to say tbh, factor is less so being the laziest possible, it is to me being efficient and not wasting people’s time. It takes a fraction of a second to make the new thread, given title it’ll be focused and people are more likely to join new threads than derailed old ones.
Of course I just don’t think a thread or discussion is needed period considering sourced justifications if blatant should just be added regardless.
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Girl, listen, you put Iron Man on that list, and I remembered a fight between Iron Man and Iron Fist where Tony dominated him. Logical outcome: "Hey look at this fight it can be used for scaling". It's not irrelevant, it's just a very, very specific version of Tony, and I do have some feats for him.
Iron Fist being superior to DD isn't relevant here girl, his superiority doesn't mean much when both can trade blows with each other almost equally. He was just more of a super human than DD ever was in the classics. Being stronger than Matt just makes you 9-B+. None of the street level characters of this Tier will damage Matt like the 9-A explosion did.
Same as above.
Because you can directly scale AM to DD without needing someone who never appeared again on a Daredevil comic. AM almost killed Daredevil, it's way better than scaling to someone who is a "Daredevil foe" with no context on what level of foe he was to him.
Fair.
Not you specifically girl, we, wiki or Marvel dudes, whatever. More like that old practice you were saying, definition of lazy, literally. Instead of reaching a conclusion of who has the lowest physicals and scaling everyone above him, they could've read the comics and in worst case scenario they gather scans from RTs and expand the justification.
I'm not aiming this towards you, it's just something that really bothers anyone who take a look at the profiles and see baseless justifications without scans. I just assumed you're gonna change the rating and not the justifications, then I said that adding scans if possible would be better.
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I personally do not mind if base level Iron Fist without chi-enforcement is considered equal to Daredevil, as I remember an even fight between them during the Frank Miller run, and a similar even fight between Iron Fist and Shang-Chi early in their careers, before Iron Fist was depowered and Shang-Chi upgraded in recent years due to political correctness.
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Can anyone help with the 9-A application? Or am I expected to do this alone now
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I assume it's just changing 9-A to 9-B+ for most pages that just scale to shit?
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