Mario Discussion thread

[TheGatememer]

its called BS so its obviously non-canon.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Why wouldn't it be canon? It's a direct sequel, nothing exactly contradicts it from being canon.

 

[Bobsican]

Ah! So similiar to Mickey's tier?

Pretty much, yes.

 

[Dust_Collector]

"(Original tier), possibly Low 2-C" tiering for the Mario cast may be happening at this pace.

Honestly given the rather abundant amount of Low 2-C feats I'm starting to think likely would be better than possibly.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

yea most likely would it just be for the star children?

 

[GyroNutz]

Star Children + Culex. Maybe Dimentio + Bowser Jr. too, the former because he's >> the cast and has loose ties to Low 2-C stuff anyway, the latter only when he's wielding a Grand Star.

 

[Bobsican]

There's also the entire Megabug stuff to potentially support Low 2-C, BTW

 

[GyroNutz]

Has anyone here played the Mario/Rabbids crossover? Does Megabug have a legit case to be Low 2-C? Afaik someone debunked his tier, DRB argued against it and it just never got concluded.

 

[Bobsican]

I did, but I got tired of the gameplay feeling like a poor man's Fire Emblem, so I never got to that point in the game

Anyways, there's not much difference between the reasoning of Megabug being Low 2-C than King Boo's, which is accepted, so Megabug being actually Low 2-C isn't that much of an stretch.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I disagree with the downgrades for the Megabug, it was entirely proven and stated that the Megabug was the cause of the entire world going unstable. It was literally shown at the start of the game, even Beep-0 stated this more than once. There were more arguments, but so much of them were just wrong. I might include the Megabug if I make the CRT.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, we got to be careful before upgrading the cast to Low 2-C; the reason all the various bosses are High 4-C is because it's both consistent and uncontroversial. Especially with Lumas and Power Stars having casual feats ranging from 5-B to 3-C. But if everyone was Low 2-C that would kind of be all over the place even if Mario and Luigi were legit that high. And Rosalina would undoubtedly be back to Low 2-C.

But once again, we'd definitely need Dino's approval if we find enough feats. The 4-A stuff on the other hand would at least be simply to get applied with the Yoshi's Story feat.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

We were gonna upgrade them to Low 2-C? I was just gonna argue 4-A.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Added stuff to my post, but I'd say not yet at least. 4-A for sure yes. And I also agree with Metabug being back to Low 2-C based on the context as well.

 

[Bobsican]

I mean, verses where everyone but fodder scale to something very high happens a lot, but I have to agree, Low 2-C isn't as supported by the lore as High 4-C, and it easily is far more controversial, so I would wait for Dino's input at the very least.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

So its 4-A to low-2C?

 

[Bobsican]

In the best case scenario, yes.

 

[Dust_Collector]

So its 4-A to low-2C?

Not yet, it's safest to stick with just 4-A for now, but Low 2-C isn't completly out of the picture. Perhaps at a later time we can make a safe case for the Low 2-C stuff.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Not now, Low 2-C is still technically inconsistent. However if we end up with more and more, it can be considered.

But there is an upgrade I want but will get tons of mixed feelings. Infinite speed via Pure Hearts. Sammer Kingdom, and entire timeline, was completely destroyed by the void. The void was stated to destroy all of existence, this means time would have to be included as well. After Sammer Kingdom was consumed, Mario and co were able to move inside it after time was destroyed within it.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

So 4-A Possibly much higher would be best I assume?

 

[GyroNutz]

Best course of action would probably be making a blog compiling all the Low 2-C feats with full detail + context before we make the argument of Mario characters being beyond 4-A (or 3-C given mario galaxy stuff)

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

So 4-A Possibly much higher would be best I assume?

"4-A, Possibly Low 2-C at peak."

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Best course of action would probably be making a blog compiling all the Low 2-C feats with full detail + context before we make the argument of Mario characters being beyond 4-A (or 3-C given mario galaxy stuff)

I agree.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It also does outright say in the Prima Guide that the Void destroys all time and space of each dimension in addition to the "Destroy all existence" statement. And oh yeah, I remember the Infinite speed with Pure Hearts.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3799691

I got tired of leaving it up in the air.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

So how does everyone feel about infinite speed Pure Hearts?

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Why was it removed?

 

[Soupywolf5]

I ''think ''it was because of the changes to timeless void feat standards

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, Timeless Void standards are inconsistent; though, there could be another feat interpreted as infinite speed even if vague.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Let's check the standards then.

"The realm should be consistently and reliably described as timeless by knowledgeable characters who can be confirmed not to be lying or bluffing."

While it wasn't directly stated to be timeless, the void can destroy time itself so there's no reason to assume why it isn't.

"The realm should display characteristics a realm without time would be expected to have, such as the lack of a visible passage of time, unless this is Cinematic Time."

The background is just white, so nothing displays time moving.

"Although not necessary per se, and not entirely accurate either, the characters who traverse it being described as "beyond the space-time" or "beyond time" would be supporting evidence."

This I've got nothing, but it isn't necessary as stated above.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, not quite stated to be timeless, but space-time is legit being erased by the void.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

And the characters can move after its destruction, which is exactly why I think it's infinite speed. Super Dimentio himself has also stated that he would've destroyed all worlds and recreate them, implying he will move after its total destruction.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Pure hearts should have durability negation by shattering defenses easily from the chaos hearts for the heroes

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Are you reffering to when they have invulnerability? I'm pretty sure that was Power Nullification.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Oh my mistake but I think it's time for a CTR and another discussion thread lol

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, we have well over 400 posts, so it's a good idea to start on a new discussion thread and link it here before then.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Yeah, we have well over 400 posts, so it's a good idea to start on a new discussion thread and link it here before then.

Noted: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3803339

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah this thread has started really lagging for me, good to see the 2nd one already set up for when this one is soon finished.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will close this thread and link the new one in the statement