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Maou Gakuin Retribution Series Part 1

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I've deleted some derailing and unnecessarily antagonistic comments that serve nothing except derailing.

@CHIDOSKI seeing as you are apparently a new user, do not come to a thread to start antagonizing someone simply because they don't agree with an interpretation you have on a character/verse. Thank you.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I've deleted some derailing and unnecessarily antagonistic comments that serve nothing except derailing.

@CHIDOSKI seeing as you are apparently a new user, do not come to a thread to start antagonizing someone simply because they don't agree with an interpretation you have on a character/verse. Thank you.
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My mistake
 
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Elizhaa said:
I am also neutral on anti-magic resistance; I would be fine with everything else.
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Hey could you check this if this helps? This is not in the OP. It's additional Arguments. Anti magic has different functions depending on different spells. So we should be considering that case by case.
Tatsumi504 said:
Finally found the time to do this, here's what I could find for now.

EYES OF DESTRUCTION​

These are a unique set of eyes possessed only by Anos Voldigoad, Sasha Necron (Avernyu) and Avos Dilhevia.
These eyes were formed in the Mythical Era when Anos and the Goddess of Destruction Averneyu exchanged one of their eyes with the other.

Anos possessed the Eyes of Chaotic Destruction while the Goddess of Destruction possesses the Divine Eyes of Apocalypse. When both switched eyes, the Eye of Chaotic Destruction and Divine Apocalyptic eye diluted each others powers to form the now weaker Eyes of Destruction.
Essentially, the Eyes of Destruction while called anti-magic, are not actually anti-magic. They're a lesser form of the concept of destruction leading Anos to call it the ultimate form of anti-magic because of it's ability to destroy magic and in other words, is unique and the ability to destroy magic not being something possessed by normal anti-magic. It's ability to destroy also extends to other things besides magic such as destroying;
Physical material (Deconstruction)
Destroying space (spatial manipulation)
Destroying the mind to put people to sleep or in a coma (mind manipulation & sleep manipulation)
Destroy the force behind attacks physical/ magical to reduce their power, reduce one's statistics (Damage reduction & Statistics Reduction)
It can also destroy the effects of magic on a person without destroying the actual magic itself which the series indexes as resistance.

Similar to the Eyes of Destruction utilizing the concept of Destruction, the Order of Abortion uses Abortion to essentially abort magic. Anti-magic can also be used to cut through spell formula and negate the magic however, this isn't an inherent property of anti-magic as for one, anti-magic is made using spell formula and two, cutting formula is something that needs to be actively done by the caster as it is reliant on skill and knowledge. This isn't done with only anti-magic, weapons that have the function to slip through magic and directly cut said formula exist. These are cases @EldemadeDityjon refers to as offensive power nullification.

INTERFERENCE MAGIC
This is another specific application of anti-magic which has been outlined however, anti-magic is never said to negate teleportation magic <Gatom>, thought communication <Leaks>, magical perception. It interferes with teleportation, telepathy/mind reading, magical perception empasis on "interfere" not "destroy", "cancel", "negate" etc all while other forms of magic work unimpeded.

Now this is may be speculation on my part but "anti-magic" as a spell might not even be responsible for this. While it is possible anti-magic can be engineered to perform to this specific application such as here. Anos doesn't say they put up anti-magic, he says they put up a ward to prevent <Gatom> from functioning, a ward meaning barrier and it's set up so that their allies can also teleport around inside said barrier which left gaps he could exploit to get through.
It could as well be an unnamed spell which is just classified under the term "anti-magic" as such spells exists examples being:
1.) <Demera>: A spell which covers an area in a barrier of darkness which instills the caster's will into those inside.
Anos originally called this barrier anti-magic until the name is revealed by one of his subordinates. This grants substance to my speculation.

2.) <Lo Maisis>: This is a ward (barrier) that was used by heroes 2,000yrs ago

Both interfere with magical perception, teleportation & telepathic communication by blocking it not negating it, negating magical sight will be the same as blinding the person to which no one ever goes blind.

<De Ijeria>​

This is another spell that has been referred to as anti-magic however, just like the two other spells spells listed previously, it's cast method has separate mechanics to it furthermore, it's functions don't even line up with any of the abilities being discussed here. <De Ijeria> involves creating wards of fire, earth, wind, water in different cardinal directions, each amplifying the magic sealing potential of the other. This is something that isn't required to utilize normal anti-magic which has also never been stated to seal magic.

As said above <De Ijeria> has no properties of power null neither does it offer any resistance instead it's functions include;
  • Statistics Reduction.
  • Statistics Amplification.
  • Regeneration/Healing.
It halves the power of demons, amplifies that of humans, regenerates the wounds of allies.

FUSION MAGIC​

This one isn't about proving separate applications or mechanisms rather, it's to establish the fact anti-magic isn't the antithesis to magic. For one both are magic spells and come from the same source and fusion magic will prove this as well as disprove any notion of magic negation, cancelation.

Fusion magic as the name implies fuses 2 sources of power to increase their effect be it magic spells, people, magic items etc. One of the things that has been accomplished with this is the fusion of magic and anti-magic.

MAGIC RESISTANCE​

Many varied applications of the term "anti-magic" exist however, the story makes it clear in what way or form it pertains to resistance. An example of this is the use of words like "resist", "ward off", "protect". Without mentioning those already used before, below are examples of cases where it pertains to resistance.

1.) Volume 3 Chapter 21
It is brought up in a matter about protecting themselves from a barrier which induces paralysis inducement and statistics reduction

2.)Volume 4 Chapter 40
Here because certain demons are frequently mentioned in the legend of the Demon King of tyranny, they are bound to the service of the being born from that legend and it's potency on them is made stronger. It also mentions how their anti-magic doesn't stand a chance against a legend that powerful.
Demons who aren't as strongly bound to it resist it by having powerful hearts (supernatural willpower). This shows a correlation between anti-magic and resistance through supernatural will.

3.) Web Novel Chapter 347
"I see, so space-time is distorted inside that gate."

Drawing a magic circle, I shoot the Hellfire Eradication Cannon <Jio Graze>.

The jet-black sun suddenly disappears the moment it enters the Blood Gate <Keikkai-mon>.

The next moment, it landed with a thud at the bottom of the stone steps.

Again I walked up the stone steps to the gate and stopped there.

"It's quite a secret," I said, "that you can ignore my anti-magic and make me cross the dimension. In exchange, not even your spear that transcends time and space will be able to reach me from there."
An opponent uses a technique which sacrifices their own life and in exchange, the effectiveness of their ability is greatly improved such that it doesn't bypass, overcome, breakthrough, it ignores the anti-magic.

4.) Web Novel Chapter 348
But to prevent this, the cursed mud covers all the stone steps like a wall.

It completely separated me and the Netherworld King.

-- "Run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run! --

So the words of the curse stain the Aeges head, hard and insistent.

It broke through even Aeges anti-magic and worked a compulsion that stopped him in his tracks.
[...]
The room was filled with mud.

They spread the curse of death all over the area, touching the walls, ceiling, ground, and ruins, and turning everything into cursed mud.

Even my own body would be turned to mud if I did not constantly use my Magic Eye of Destruction and anti-magic.
[...]
I wore the least amount of anti-magic and dared to be swallowed by the mud that attacked me.

I let myself be swept away by the current of the cursed mud, and my body sank to the bottom.

The more you fall, the stronger the curse of the mud becomes, trying to eat away at your body and your roots.

The anti-magic is broken and the mud touches my body.

If I prevent this, I will not be able to get to where I want to go.

"Curse my source!"

I offer my source in place of my body and take the cursed mud within it.

A nauseating pain washes over me, and a curse that makes me crazy sticks to my ears and won't leave.

Still my body sinks and the curse grows stronger.

The pain that Kaihiram had experienced in his death came back to me, multiplied many times over.

I endured the pain and the curse, and waited patiently until I saw before me the dark coffin that contained the source of the curse, Kai Hiram.
This one shows resisting a curse that comes with compound effects through anti-magic and it differentiates between the Eye of Destruction and anti-magic. Should this be power null alone, why identify the two when in terms of nullification, EoD>>>anti-magic?

5.) Web Novel Chapter 409
Draw a magic circle on Sasha and Misha.

My magic eye sees that they are sealed or cursed with a seal that causes their bodily functions to deteriorate.

It is likely that they are desperately resisting it with anti-magic.

They are probably conscious, but they are so focused on breaking the seal that they seems unable to move.

With my magic eye, which was dyed a deep purple, I stared at the order magic that had been cast on the girls and drew multiple magic circles with <Laeluente> "Seal Curse Bind Restoration"
Self explanatory

6.) Web Novel Chapter 449
Lay, who plunged into the Sun of Destruction without putting up any anti-magic, was enveloped by the black sun and the light of final destruction, destroying his sources in the blink of an eye.

The fact that his body barely retains its original form is probably due to the blessing of the Sword of three races.
"blessings" in this case is referring to the same thing here. The character's own anti-magic as well as the blessings of their weapon giving them double protection, essentially "blessings" refer to the anti-magic of the weapon.
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Huh, I also missed something

Edit: I actually found a bunch of stuff that I missed so I'm gonna drop it all here. This also makes me have to redact a prior statement I made regarding 2 topics in the OP "anti-magic plays no role in the resistance to fire and electricity manipulation". This statement is wrong as you'll find in the evidence presented below.

Fire Manipulation​

It is the baptism of the faithful to reach out to that divine bonfire and take hold of the Pearl of Allegiance in the flames. The one who is chosen by the heavenly mandate will be able to hold it without being burned. That one will be able to advance to the righteousness of his calling."

Hmmm. A fire made of magic.

If some anti-magic is applied, you won't get burned.

So those who proceed to the righteousness of the calling are sifted by the presence or absence of magic.
I don't think it can get clearer than this. Nothing here implies any form of nullification.
Here's the follow up on what happens later
I carelessly stuck my hand into the bonfire and picked up a pearl of allegiance.

"Oh ......!　It's wonderful. Not even a single burn. You were undeniably chosen by fate...hmm?"

Eleonore gets the ring of the Pearl of the allegiance unharmed.

It's easy!"

"...... Zesia was also chosen by fate ......"

The bishop stares at them, stunned.

"...... three people at once today, what a--ahh ......!"

Misha and Sasha still get the Pearl of Allegiance without getting burned.

"...... the five of them also ......"

"Kakka, isn't this easy?"

Eldemade takes the Pearl of Alliance.

Naya also took the liberty of reaching for the bonfire.

She is an inferior student in the Institute of the Demon King, but, however, she is a student who can enter the Institute of the Demon King in the first place. There was no way she would get burned by this level of fire, and she easily took the ring of the Pearl of Allegiance in her hand.
So 7 people in total and they possibly didn't even use anti-magic

Electricity Manipulation​

Celis pulled out the Heavy Thunder Sword Gaudgimon.

Purple electricity gushes out from the sword's blade.

Concentrating an enormous amount of magical power, the tip of Gaudgimon's is aimed at Gorloana.

"Wait,......!　I won't let you do that. ......"

As soon as Sasha glared at Celis with her 'Magic Eye of Destruction,' Zessiah, Eleonor, and Misha moved.

Instantly, Purple Lightning <Gavest> is shot out and strikes them with lightning.

Sasha and the others endured it by deploying anti-magic with all their might, but the lightning sword Gaudgimon's sword flash floated in their chests.

Immediately after, an explosion of purple electricity shot the girls away.

"...... kyaaaaaaaa............!!!"

"You don't have much magic left, do you? Don't push yourself too hard."

Ice Manipulation, Matter Manipulation & Transmutation​

Arcana's Magic Eye of Transgression shoots through Celis.

From his feet to his upper body, his body froze.

Since Celis, who is clothed in strong anti-magic, cannot be directly transformed into snow, she is transforming his anti-magic into ice.

As seen in the evidence above, there's zero semantics to be argued in these cases.

In the case of fire there's no nullification taking place, it doesn't even say they used anti-magic so it's likely just magic power. This links back to dragons that protect themselves from flames with their magic power however, the takeaway from this lies in fire not being able to burn someone who is utilizing anti-magic. Nothing there implies any sort of nullification as the fire simply continues to burn.

For electricity, those characters endured Graham's onslaught by protecting themselves with anti-magic, emphasis on "endure". You do not endure with power nullification for one.
Secondly nothing in the context given even implies power nullification of any kind taking place, infact, It's been made clear that EoD> normal anti-magic and Sasha is actively looking at Graham with the EoD so this already proves power nullification isn't working still they endure and aren't burnt by lightning that outstrips Anos <Jirasd> which already burns one to ashes by means of anti-magic.

Finally, in the case of matter manipulation, Graham's anti-magic allows him to not be affected by Arcana's Eye of Transgression. From previous scans sent, the EoT is basically a fusion of the EoD and Eye of Creation so it also has power nullification.
Graham isn't affected thanks to his strong anti-magic so he can't be frozen so Arcana instead freezes the anti-magic directly. The logic that power nullification can null abilities used on it's wielder but can't null abilities used on itself is absurd to put it in nice terms.
 
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DarkGrath said:
That's perfectly alright. It doesn't need to necessarily be referred to by any particular phrase/s - I'm just looking for explicit statements that Anti-Magic takes two separate forms.
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Tatsumi504 said:
Finally found the time to do this, here's what I could find for now.

EYES OF DESTRUCTION​

These are a unique set of eyes possessed only by Anos Voldigoad, Sasha Necron (Avernyu) and Avos Dilhevia.
These eyes were formed in the Mythical Era when Anos and the Goddess of Destruction Averneyu exchanged one of their eyes with the other.

Anos possessed the Eyes of Chaotic Destruction while the Goddess of Destruction possesses the Divine Eyes of Apocalypse. When both switched eyes, the Eye of Chaotic Destruction and Divine Apocalyptic eye diluted each others powers to form the now weaker Eyes of Destruction.
Essentially, the Eyes of Destruction while called anti-magic, are not actually anti-magic. They're a lesser form of the concept of destruction leading Anos to call it the ultimate form of anti-magic because of it's ability to destroy magic and in other words, is unique and the ability to destroy magic not being something possessed by normal anti-magic. It's ability to destroy also extends to other things besides magic such as destroying;
Physical material (Deconstruction)
Destroying space (spatial manipulation)
Destroying the mind to put people to sleep or in a coma (mind manipulation & sleep manipulation)
Destroy the force behind attacks physical/ magical to reduce their power, reduce one's statistics (Damage reduction & Statistics Reduction)
It can also destroy the effects of magic on a person without destroying the actual magic itself which the series indexes as resistance.

Similar to the Eyes of Destruction utilizing the concept of Destruction, the Order of Abortion uses Abortion to essentially abort magic. Anti-magic can also be used to cut through spell formula and negate the magic however, this isn't an inherent property of anti-magic as for one, anti-magic is made using spell formula and two, cutting formula is something that needs to be actively done by the caster as it is reliant on skill and knowledge. This isn't done with only anti-magic, weapons that have the function to slip through magic and directly cut said formula exist. These are cases @EldemadeDityjon refers to as offensive power nullification.

INTERFERENCE MAGIC
This is another specific application of anti-magic which has been outlined however, anti-magic is never said to negate teleportation magic <Gatom>, thought communication <Leaks>, magical perception. It interferes with teleportation, telepathy/mind reading, magical perception empasis on "interfere" not "destroy", "cancel", "negate" etc all while other forms of magic work unimpeded.

Now this is may be speculation on my part but "anti-magic" as a spell might not even be responsible for this. While it is possible anti-magic can be engineered to perform to this specific application such as here. Anos doesn't say they put up anti-magic, he says they put up a ward to prevent <Gatom> from functioning, a ward meaning barrier and it's set up so that their allies can also teleport around inside said barrier which left gaps he could exploit to get through.
It could as well be an unnamed spell which is just classified under the term "anti-magic" as such spells exists examples being:
1.) <Demera>: A spell which covers an area in a barrier of darkness which instills the caster's will into those inside.
Anos originally called this barrier anti-magic until the name is revealed by one of his subordinates. This grants substance to my speculation.

2.) <Lo Maisis>: This is a ward (barrier) that was used by heroes 2,000yrs ago

Both interfere with magical perception, teleportation & telepathic communication by blocking it not negating it, negating magical sight will be the same as blinding the person to which no one ever goes blind.

<De Ijeria>​

This is another spell that has been referred to as anti-magic however, just like the two other spells spells listed previously, it's cast method has separate mechanics to it furthermore, it's functions don't even line up with any of the abilities being discussed here. <De Ijeria> involves creating wards of fire, earth, wind, water in different cardinal directions, each amplifying the magic sealing potential of the other. This is something that isn't required to utilize normal anti-magic which has also never been stated to seal magic.

As said above <De Ijeria> has no properties of power null neither does it offer any resistance instead it's functions include;
  • Statistics Reduction.
  • Statistics Amplification.
  • Regeneration/Healing.
It halves the power of demons, amplifies that of humans, regenerates the wounds of allies.

FUSION MAGIC​

This one isn't about proving separate applications or mechanisms rather, it's to establish the fact anti-magic isn't the antithesis to magic. For one both are magic spells and come from the same source and fusion magic will prove this as well as disprove any notion of magic negation, cancelation.

Fusion magic as the name implies fuses 2 sources of power to increase their effect be it magic spells, people, magic items etc. One of the things that has been accomplished with this is the fusion of magic and anti-magic.

MAGIC RESISTANCE​

Many varied applications of the term "anti-magic" exist however, the story makes it clear in what way or form it pertains to resistance. An example of this is the use of words like "resist", "ward off", "protect". Without mentioning those already used before, below are examples of cases where it pertains to resistance.

1.) Volume 3 Chapter 21
It is brought up in a matter about protecting themselves from a barrier which induces paralysis inducement and statistics reduction

2.)Volume 4 Chapter 40
Here because certain demons are frequently mentioned in the legend of the Demon King of tyranny, they are bound to the service of the being born from that legend and it's potency on them is made stronger. It also mentions how their anti-magic doesn't stand a chance against a legend that powerful.
Demons who aren't as strongly bound to it resist it by having powerful hearts (supernatural willpower). This shows a correlation between anti-magic and resistance through supernatural will.

3.) Web Novel Chapter 347
"I see, so space-time is distorted inside that gate."

Drawing a magic circle, I shoot the Hellfire Eradication Cannon <Jio Graze>.

The jet-black sun suddenly disappears the moment it enters the Blood Gate <Keikkai-mon>.

The next moment, it landed with a thud at the bottom of the stone steps.

Again I walked up the stone steps to the gate and stopped there.

"It's quite a secret," I said, "that you can ignore my anti-magic and make me cross the dimension. In exchange, not even your spear that transcends time and space will be able to reach me from there."
An opponent uses a technique which sacrifices their own life and in exchange, the effectiveness of their ability is greatly improved such that it doesn't bypass, overcome, breakthrough, it ignores the anti-magic.

4.) Web Novel Chapter 348
But to prevent this, the cursed mud covers all the stone steps like a wall.

It completely separated me and the Netherworld King.

-- "Run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run! --

So the words of the curse stain the Aeges head, hard and insistent.

It broke through even Aeges anti-magic and worked a compulsion that stopped him in his tracks.
[...]
The room was filled with mud.

They spread the curse of death all over the area, touching the walls, ceiling, ground, and ruins, and turning everything into cursed mud.

Even my own body would be turned to mud if I did not constantly use my Magic Eye of Destruction and anti-magic.
[...]
I wore the least amount of anti-magic and dared to be swallowed by the mud that attacked me.

I let myself be swept away by the current of the cursed mud, and my body sank to the bottom.

The more you fall, the stronger the curse of the mud becomes, trying to eat away at your body and your roots.

The anti-magic is broken and the mud touches my body.

If I prevent this, I will not be able to get to where I want to go.

"Curse my source!"

I offer my source in place of my body and take the cursed mud within it.

A nauseating pain washes over me, and a curse that makes me crazy sticks to my ears and won't leave.

Still my body sinks and the curse grows stronger.

The pain that Kaihiram had experienced in his death came back to me, multiplied many times over.

I endured the pain and the curse, and waited patiently until I saw before me the dark coffin that contained the source of the curse, Kai Hiram.
This one shows resisting a curse that comes with compound effects through anti-magic and it differentiates between the Eye of Destruction and anti-magic. Should this be power null alone, why identify the two when in terms of nullification, EoD>>>anti-magic?

5.) Web Novel Chapter 409
Draw a magic circle on Sasha and Misha.

My magic eye sees that they are sealed or cursed with a seal that causes their bodily functions to deteriorate.

It is likely that they are desperately resisting it with anti-magic.

They are probably conscious, but they are so focused on breaking the seal that they seems unable to move.

With my magic eye, which was dyed a deep purple, I stared at the order magic that had been cast on the girls and drew multiple magic circles with <Laeluente> "Seal Curse Bind Restoration"
Self explanatory

6.) Web Novel Chapter 449
Lay, who plunged into the Sun of Destruction without putting up any anti-magic, was enveloped by the black sun and the light of final destruction, destroying his sources in the blink of an eye.

The fact that his body barely retains its original form is probably due to the blessing of the Sword of three races.
"blessings" in this case is referring to the same thing here. The character's own anti-magic as well as the blessings of their weapon giving them double protection, essentially "blessings" refer to the anti-magic of the weapon.
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Tatsumi504 said:
Huh, I also missed something

Edit: I actually found a bunch of stuff that I missed so I'm gonna drop it all here. This also makes me have to redact a prior statement I made regarding 2 topics in the OP "anti-magic plays no role in the resistance to fire and electricity manipulation". This statement is wrong as you'll find in the evidence presented below.

Fire Manipulation​

It is the baptism of the faithful to reach out to that divine bonfire and take hold of the Pearl of Allegiance in the flames. The one who is chosen by the heavenly mandate will be able to hold it without being burned. That one will be able to advance to the righteousness of his calling."

Hmmm. A fire made of magic.

If some anti-magic is applied, you won't get burned.

So those who proceed to the righteousness of the calling are sifted by the presence or absence of magic.
I don't think it can get clearer than this. Nothing here implies any form of nullification.
Here's the follow up on what happens later
I carelessly stuck my hand into the bonfire and picked up a pearl of allegiance.

"Oh ......!　It's wonderful. Not even a single burn. You were undeniably chosen by fate...hmm?"

Eleonore gets the ring of the Pearl of the allegiance unharmed.

It's easy!"

"...... Zesia was also chosen by fate ......"

The bishop stares at them, stunned.

"...... three people at once today, what a--ahh ......!"

Misha and Sasha still get the Pearl of Allegiance without getting burned.

"...... the five of them also ......"

"Kakka, isn't this easy?"

Eldemade takes the Pearl of Alliance.

Naya also took the liberty of reaching for the bonfire.

She is an inferior student in the Institute of the Demon King, but, however, she is a student who can enter the Institute of the Demon King in the first place. There was no way she would get burned by this level of fire, and she easily took the ring of the Pearl of Allegiance in her hand.
So 7 people in total and they possibly didn't even use anti-magic

Electricity Manipulation​

Celis pulled out the Heavy Thunder Sword Gaudgimon.

Purple electricity gushes out from the sword's blade.

Concentrating an enormous amount of magical power, the tip of Gaudgimon's is aimed at Gorloana.

"Wait,......!　I won't let you do that. ......"

As soon as Sasha glared at Celis with her 'Magic Eye of Destruction,' Zessiah, Eleonor, and Misha moved.

Instantly, Purple Lightning <Gavest> is shot out and strikes them with lightning.

Sasha and the others endured it by deploying anti-magic with all their might, but the lightning sword Gaudgimon's sword flash floated in their chests.

Immediately after, an explosion of purple electricity shot the girls away.

"...... kyaaaaaaaa............!!!"

"You don't have much magic left, do you? Don't push yourself too hard."

Ice Manipulation, Matter Manipulation & Transmutation​

Arcana's Magic Eye of Transgression shoots through Celis.

From his feet to his upper body, his body froze.

Since Celis, who is clothed in strong anti-magic, cannot be directly transformed into snow, she is transforming his anti-magic into ice.

As seen in the evidence above, there's zero semantics to be argued in these cases.

In the case of fire there's no nullification taking place, it doesn't even say they used anti-magic so it's likely just magic power. This links back to dragons that protect themselves from flames with their magic power however, the takeaway from this lies in fire not being able to burn someone who is utilizing anti-magic. Nothing there implies any sort of nullification as the fire simply continues to burn.

For electricity, those characters endured Graham's onslaught by protecting themselves with anti-magic, emphasis on "endure". You do not endure with power nullification for one.
Secondly nothing in the context given even implies power nullification of any kind taking place, infact, It's been made clear that EoD> normal anti-magic and Sasha is actively looking at Graham with the EoD so this already proves power nullification isn't working still they endure and aren't burnt by lightning that outstrips Anos <Jirasd> which already burns one to ashes by means of anti-magic.

Finally, in the case of matter manipulation, Graham's anti-magic allows him to not be affected by Arcana's Eye of Transgression. From previous scans sent, the EoT is basically a fusion of the EoD and Eye of Creation so it also has power nullification.
Graham isn't affected thanks to his strong anti-magic so he can't be frozen so Arcana instead freezes the anti-magic directly. The logic that power nullification can null abilities used on it's wielder but can't null abilities used on itself is absurd to put it in nice terms.
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I've deleted some derailing and unnecessarily antagonistic comments that serve nothing except derailing.

@CHIDOSKI seeing as you are apparently a new user, do not come to a thread to start antagonizing someone simply because they don't agree with an interpretation you have on a character/verse. Thank you.
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I'm kinda in a pickle here with the staff FRA, please help a brother out🥺
 
CHIDOSKI said:
Keep wondering why staff are keeping quiet in this,is it because is not akuto Sai or yogiri, like the way staff handle other verse are different from moau gakuni 🥲
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The verse supporters have a god-awful reputation, for VERY good reason I might add!
 
DaReaperMan said:
The verse supporters have a god-awful reputation, for VERY good reason I might add!
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Then the best thing is to delete moau gakuni from vsbw
DaReaperMan said:
The verse supporters have a god-awful reputation, for VERY good reason I might add!
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Then I think we should remove moau gakuni from vsbw, because I didn't see where the supporters go wrong, I remember when Fugiwara was removing those resistance the staff was backing him up and agreeing to everything he/she says, but they're not responding now why's that? If the staff don't like moau gakuni or the supporters then I think the best thing is to remove the verse from vsbw.
 
CHIDOSKI said:
Then the best thing is to delete moau gakuni from vsbw
Then I think we should remove moau gakuni from vsbw, because I didn't see where the supporters go wrong, I remember when Fugiwara was removing those resistance the staff was backing him up and agreeing to everything he/she says, but they're not responding now why's that? If the staff don't like moau gakuni or the supporters then I think the best thing is to remove the verse from vsbw.
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Oh staff have commented here, including evaluation staff, if they agree with the changes or not is another thing though
 
CHIDOSKI said:
because I didn't see where the supporters go wrong
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Supporters went wrong on being condescending all the time against anyone who disagreed with them and any supporter of the verse of which Anos got into battle with really. Nobody likes that kind of attitude There were select few who were exception but like 90%-95% were like that.
 
I agree with the CRT as far as I've read (I read the OP a few days ago).

But what to know how the resistance (anti-magic) being overcome by higher AP would be treated, would it be layered resistance?
I remember before the verse was done again this was introduced as layered resistance.
 
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Dog3352 said:
I agree with the CRT as far as I've read (I read the OP a few days ago).

But what to know how the resistance (anti-magic) being overcome by higher AP would be treated, would it be layered resistance?
I remember before the verse was done again this was introduced as layered resistance.
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It's never overcome by higher AP, it has to do with magic power.
 
CHIDOSKI said:
Keep wondering why staff are keeping quiet in this,is it because is not akuto Sai or yogiri, like the way staff handle other verse are different from moau gakuni 🥲
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I mean, I haven't really seen a thread regarding DKD or ID where it got extremely toxic, as opposed to MGK and its supporters.

Anyway, not even interested in the thread itself, cya.
 
I never wanted to be here, but I got requested by OP to apply accepted changes, since I am cool girl and loves to help the users.

So which changes should I do? I am not reading that wall of text at all.
 
Agree (4): @DarkDragonMedeus, @LordGriffin1000 , @DarkGrath & @Elizhaa (Everything besides anti-magic resistances)
Neutral: @DarkGrath & @Elizhaa (anti-magic based resistance)
Disagree: Theglassman12 (Anti-magic resistance, resistance to fire, electricity, addressed nothing else), Deagonx (Same as glassman)

So, ya anti-magic based resistance can't be added.

Everything else can be applied.
 
CHIDOSKI said:
Everything has already been accepted blud
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Stop replying to Fuji.
ImmortalDread said:
I never wanted to be here, but I got requested by OP to apply accepted changes, since I am cool girl and loves to help the users.

So which changes should I do? I am not reading that wall of text at all.
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2 agrees 2 neutral [2 Disagrees (FRA kinda thing as usual)] only for Anti magic
Other things are accepted by 4 Staff
So I don't know what to do with Anti Magic situation.
 
I don't see a significant approval for anti-magic resistance to be applied. Sorry, I can't do it.

But if the rest are approved, I can apply them.
 
ImmortalDread said:
I don't see a significant approval for anti-magic resistance to be applied. Sorry, I can't do it.

But if the rest are approved, I can apply them.
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Can you call some staff dread if you don't mind. Especially those who Disagreed with anti magic never bothered to address latest arguments.
 
Actually, wait a moment. Were any ability resistances reliant on anti-magic being the same as resistance? If so, those also shouldn't be applied.
 
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