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So I've been made aware of this CRT recently, and I've got some problems with it. Namely, the fact that the Land of Traces is considered a 2-A cosmology. I'll be going through the reasons used to make it a 2-A cosmology and explain my issues with them as I go along. Let's begin.
This seems well and good, except for the fact that... nothing in the scans used to claim the individual traces are Low 2-C structures actually say that. The first hyperlink links to an explanation of what traces are (records and memories of all that exist), so that's not really relevant. The second scan, on the other hand, says:
So, it's the entire Land of Traces that's being referred to here, not individual traces... How exactly is this supposed to prove that traces are Low 2-C structures? In fact, the scan kinda seems to debunk the argument coming from it, as it's saying no trace could hold such an amount ("such an amount" being the world itself plus extra years, which sounds to me like it'd be Low 2-C). Not to mention, timelines are supposed to extend infinitely. If it's a record of a certain moment in time, it's going to stop at that moment in time - thus making the amount it extends to not infinite.
I could be mistaken - this whole thing's a bit confusing, to be honest - but I don't see how individual traces are Low 2-C from this. And then comes this part:
Being infinite in size and containing a Low 2-C structure doesn't mean anything unless it's infinite in relation to the structure. Then, one could argue that such a structure would be 2-A, because then it could arguably hold an infinite number of such structures. However, traces are not Low 2-C, so this falls apart.
Unless it can be proven that traces are Low 2-C structures, the 2-A rating should be removed. As for what the Land of Traces should be downgraded to, I propose that if individual traces cannot be proven to be Low 2-C structures, the Land of Traces should be downgraded to Low 2-C for being an infinite-sized space-time able to contain all of human history within it with ease. Anything with a 2-A rating should also be downgraded to Low 2-C as a result.
(Btw, if the argument is that traces are 3-D snapshots and an infinite number of them would be Low 2-C, thus making the Land of Traces 2-A, that's not the case. It needs to be uncountably infinite, not just vaguely infinite. It'd be High 3-A without further context)
That's about it from me. I've yapped long enough, so now feel free to discuss!
(Also, for my sanity, I'll only be keeping track of evaluating staff votes)
Agree: Planck69, Deagonx, LephyrTheRevanchist, CrimsonStarFallen, Theglassman12
Disagree:
Neutral: DarkDragonMedeus
This is the divine domain of the trace god Rivalschnedd. Traces are records, memories, footprints, the past of all things that exist. The world and its past, from the present dating back to the beginning of time covering a timeline of 700 million years, is fits into, is stored in the land traces. Traces hence fit the criteria of a standard 4 dimensional universal model making them Universe+/Low 2-C
This seems well and good, except for the fact that... nothing in the scans used to claim the individual traces are Low 2-C structures actually say that. The first hyperlink links to an explanation of what traces are (records and memories of all that exist), so that's not really relevant. The second scan, on the other hand, says:
"That's impossible. The entire world can fit into the land of traces. Seven hundred million years have passed from the beginning of time, and this land can hold a hundred times more with ease. There is no trace that could possibly be larger than that."
So, it's the entire Land of Traces that's being referred to here, not individual traces... How exactly is this supposed to prove that traces are Low 2-C structures? In fact, the scan kinda seems to debunk the argument coming from it, as it's saying no trace could hold such an amount ("such an amount" being the world itself plus extra years, which sounds to me like it'd be Low 2-C). Not to mention, timelines are supposed to extend infinitely. If it's a record of a certain moment in time, it's going to stop at that moment in time - thus making the amount it extends to not infinite.
I could be mistaken - this whole thing's a bit confusing, to be honest - but I don't see how individual traces are Low 2-C from this. And then comes this part:
however, the Land of Traces aren't just the traces alone, it's a vessel of infinite size for storing/containing them. A space capable of containing a Universe+ sized model in addition to spanning an infinite distance should be Multiverse+/2-A in size. The Land of Traces is thus a Multiverse+ sized structure.
Being infinite in size and containing a Low 2-C structure doesn't mean anything unless it's infinite in relation to the structure. Then, one could argue that such a structure would be 2-A, because then it could arguably hold an infinite number of such structures. However, traces are not Low 2-C, so this falls apart.
Unless it can be proven that traces are Low 2-C structures, the 2-A rating should be removed. As for what the Land of Traces should be downgraded to, I propose that if individual traces cannot be proven to be Low 2-C structures, the Land of Traces should be downgraded to Low 2-C for being an infinite-sized space-time able to contain all of human history within it with ease. Anything with a 2-A rating should also be downgraded to Low 2-C as a result.
(Btw, if the argument is that traces are 3-D snapshots and an infinite number of them would be Low 2-C, thus making the Land of Traces 2-A, that's not the case. It needs to be uncountably infinite, not just vaguely infinite. It'd be High 3-A without further context)
That's about it from me. I've yapped long enough, so now feel free to discuss!
(Also, for my sanity, I'll only be keeping track of evaluating staff votes)
Agree: Planck69, Deagonx, LephyrTheRevanchist, CrimsonStarFallen, Theglassman12
Disagree:
Neutral: DarkDragonMedeus
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