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Maou Gakuin Misleading Hax Revisions - Part 1/3

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Also it doesn't help at all that the OTL missed this part
Hmm, I guess immortality can stay.
First, Anos did completely destroy Nosgalia's source, even using Agronemt to restore the source. It EVEN says that order had already been disrupted and the world was about to be destroyed. They are able to regenerate from source destruction but venuzdonoa is able to negate that regeneration.
This in fact backs up the fact that they cannot regenerate from such even more, because that means they cannot, themselves, regenerate their source from complete destruction.
Anos left Nosgalia with 10% of his source so that he would not exercise the necessary power, since before being destroyed by Anos, he had been about to kill the entire class. By doing this, Anos prevented him from continuing to cause trouble and the world from being destroyed by leaving his source with 10% of its power. See?
Except, it misses the following:
“You gods are near indestructible. If it weren’t for Venuzdonoa, you would have easily regenerated your source. Choosing to leech off Eldmed’s body and source was your mistake. Within him, you can survive with only ten percent of your source. That remaining ten percent will prevent the collapse of order.”

I had destroyed his source in a way that allowed only ten percent or so to be recovered through source regeneration magic. This meant that Agronemt couldn’t restore his source to its perfect state.

“Rest assured, I am aware the world will end if you cannot regenerate. I’ve made sure to break you just enough to allow for a slow recovery.
The demons of this era were weak, but as a result, I had been forced to better manage my magic power, which had in turn honed my control. Now, instead of destroying the gods, I could simply break them. This allowed me to seize their power while protecting the world.

Gods were the embodiment of order. But because they were order, they were bound by the rules. Self-destruction was not an option for them.

“Stay in that half-god, half-demon body for a while and behave—as a teacher of this academy, that is.” I turned my back on Nosgalia to head to my seat.
If Gods can regenerate from their source, why is self-destruction not an option? That leads me to believe that they cannot do so, at least by themselves. If they can regenerate from their complete source destruction, Anos also has no reason to break them enough just enough to allow a slow recovery.
If its the trouble with his classmates getting killed, just kill the God;s source completely... except he cannot do that unless he wants the world destroyed:
How interesting. Nosgalia did seem rather insistent on destroying me. His power was sealed for now, but that didn’t make him any less irritating. On the other hand, destroying him completely would result in the end of the world. I’d have to keep an eye on him for a while.
In fact, Anos, as someone who has fought the Gods, even said this:
“It’s hard to believe his source was destroyed just yesterday,” Shin commented.
One cannot live if their source is destroyed. Not even Ingall would have an effect. The only exception to this was Hero Kanon. He was capable of resurrecting over and over again. The reason was simple—unlike normal people with a single source, Kanon possessed seven. As long as one of those sources remained, the remaining six could be restored.
Yeah, if he says the only exception is Kanon, that means even the Gods are bound to that fact; that they cannot live if their source is completely destroyed. And of course, even Kanon is only an exception because he has 7 sources, so as long as one remains, he will return.

Which all implies the following:
  • Gods can regenerate from partial source destruction.
  • They cannot regenerate from complete source destruction as even they are not an exception to the fact that complete source destructions means they are killed, permanently.
  • They need someone else to regenerate them, such as Anos with his Agronemt.
  • The fact that self-destruction is not an option for gods, and the fact that the world only slowly falls apart if they are destroyed, means that even if they came back instantly, like how Anos himself regenerated Nosgalia before the world was destroyed, means that they by themselves either cannot survive complete source destruction at all or that they need a very long time to regenerate, in which case their regen turns into over-time, which by the way was never mentioned on their page if thats the case. But of course, the latter needs to be proven first.
 
Taking Dereck's points into account, I agree with the permanence of Immo 1, CM1, HGR and Invulnerability.

I kind of can't give a solid opinion on Abstract Existence since I'm not good at it.
If you're talking about the spirits, did you see what I sent above?
Sheila Grandsley turning into what she apparently was 'just an embodiment of' (a spirit sword), it being a pivotal point in the story that turned the tides in a near defeat confrontation with Lay and Anos against Melheis' battle tactics..

Great War Tree in Volume 4 being one who is the spirit that gives knowledge and wisdom for surviving the Great War... -sounds literal to me-

The reveal of Misa being Avos Dilhevia likely just would NOT exist..

that's some of the more verbatim examples
 
Ngl, I hate when shit like that happens, It makes it hard to tell if it's just a mistranslation or something changed the author's mind when translating this.

@Dereck03 Would it be possible for you to add the raw for the scans on the page with the translation for the immortality 1 part?
It's always the translations...
 
longevity dies from old age. Gods don't die from old age. they exist outside time so the idea of a timed lifespan for them doesn't make sense. the only thing that was shown to age are Spirits specially the Tree that grew old and ceased to exist which somehow affected the world during the Dillhevia arc and Great Spirit Reno.
that tree ceased to exist caused it lore ceased to, which is helping human in great war
great war ended so there was no help needed for human ,and she also contradicted her lore by helping anos, a demon
so not because of old age

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Oh yes, if the source is indestructible, it cannot be destroyed, Shin's weapon was designed to destroy the gods and even their order, but it was not able to destroy Nosgalia's source only seal it, and it was able to break it into pieces, but that is not destroying it, just slicing it. But let's do you a favor and give you a visual description, you can find it in the chapter 11 of the 2nd season part 1 of the MG anime, the minute would be 14:30.
Then a suitable scan should be linked on the page. The fact that instead, a a small 3-line scan was linked where a character literally cuts their source is not helping at all.
 
This in fact backs up the fact that they cannot regenerate from such even more, because that means they cannot, themselves, regenerate their source from complete destruction.

If its the trouble with his classmates getting killed, just kill the God;s source completely... except he cannot do that unless he wants the world destroyed:
You mean the God (Nousgalia) who states inferiority to the power of Venuzdonoa getting eviscerated by it but only came back due to Anos being able to control the said power of destruction? The sword that is capable of negating said regeneration???

Dude.
 
This in fact backs up the fact that they cannot regenerate from such even more, because that means they cannot, themselves, regenerate their source from complete destruction.
Oh no, they can, Anos states it, but because Nousgalia was destroyed by venuz, he couldn't reform himself.
If Gods can regenerate from their source, why is self-destruction not an option? That leads me to believe that they cannot do so, at least by themselves. If they can regenerate from their complete source destruction, Anos also has no reason to break them enough just enough to allow a slow recovery.
If its the trouble with his classmates getting killed, just kill the God;s source completely... except he cannot do that unless he wants the world destroyed:
Emmm, you literally refuted nothing, you just try to find the fifth leg of the cat.
Anos regenerated Nosgalia's source in a form in which:
He only had 10% of his power so that he would not be funny, he could recover slowly, so that he would know that he can destroy it whenever he wanted.
  • Gods can regenerate from partial source destruction.
No, from fully but not in Venuz' presence.
  • They cannot regenerate from complete source destruction as even they are not an exception to the fact that complete source destructions means they are killed, permanently.
They can, but not in Venuz' presence.
  • They need someone else to regenerate them, such as Anos with his Agronemt.
Oh no, Anos said they were able to regenerate, but not in Venuz' presence.
  • The fact that self-destruction is not an option for gods, and the fact that the world only slowly falls apart if they are destroyed, means that even if they came back instantly, like how Anos himself regenerated Nosgalia before the world was destroyed, means that they by themselves either cannot survive complete source destruction at all or that they need a very long time to regenerate, in which case their regen turns into over-time, which by the way was never mentioned on their page if thats the case. But of course, the latter needs to be proven first.
And this is just ignoring everything and as I said beefore, you just try to find the fifth leg of the cat
 
You mean the God (Nousgalia) who states inferiority to the power of Venuzdonoa getting eviscerated by it but only came back due to Anos being able to control the said power of destruction? The sword that is capable of negating said regeneration???

Dude.
Quoting a part of the argument is not gonna heIp you with anything when it onIy makes sense as a whoIe -_-
 
Oh no, they can, Anos states it, but because Nousgalia was destroyed by venuz, he couldn't reform himself.

Emmm, you literally refuted nothing, you just try to find the fifth leg of the cat.
Anos regenerated Nosgalia's source in a form in which:
He only had 10% of his power so that he would not be funny, he could recover slowly, so that he would know that he can destroy it whenever he wanted.

No, from fully but not in Venuz' presence.

They can, but not in Venuz' presence.

Oh no, Anos said they were able to regenerate, but not in Venuz' presence.

And this is just ignoring everything and as I said beefore, you just try to find the fifth leg of the cat
Your whoIe argument is that its because venuz was present, but that does not negate or actuaIIy addresses the fact that Anos said the onIy exception to source regen was Kanon, and even that was because of his unique circumstances, despite Anos knowing fuII weII the existence of gods.
AIso, I remember that Venuz had a time Iimit of 5 minutes, so after that, Gods shouId be abIe to regenerate? Yeah no, that does not address they cannot even seIf-destruct. if they couId regenerate, their is no point in that being a ruIe they are bound to.
 
I swear there was another part of dialogue which Anos goes over Gods and promises as to why Nousgalia is just going on acting like a teacher after that whole debacle.

Edit: The self-destruction point feels like an non-point, LOL
 
Your whoIe argument is that its because venuz was present, but that does not negate or actuaIIy addresses the fact that Anos said the onIy exception to source regen was Kanon, and even that was because of his unique circumstances, despite Anos knowing fuII weII the existence of gods.
Yes, the only exception is Kanon, in terms of humans, that is. Why would there be a need to connect this to a God when they are irrelevant? This happened during the war between demons and humans, and Anos mentioned it in the context of humans.
 
Your whoIe argument is that its because venuz was present, but that does not negate or actuaIIy addresses the fact that Anos said the onIy exception to source regen was Kanon, and even that was because of his unique circumstances, despite Anos knowing fuII weII the existence of gods.
The only reason Kanon was mentioned is because he has 7 sources and can regenerate the others if they are destroyed as time goes by and in front of the gods he is a fodder so I won't bother to argue.
AIso, I remember that Venuz had a time Iimit of 5 minutes, so after that, Gods shouId be abIe to regenerate? Yeah no, that does not address they cannot even seIf-destruct. if they couId regenerate, their is no point in that being a ruIe they are bound to.
The fact that it lasts 5 minutes (damn, it lasts a lot) does not mean anything here, since the effect of the order of destruction is still maintained by having permanently destroyed something. I mean, are you going to tell me that Eugo La Ravias is still alive after Venuzdonoa was withdrawn? And self-destruction is not possible because their order does not allow it, because they as an order cannot go against it. For some reason, later in the novel emphasis is placed on existences that defy order.
 
Yes it does, since it is currently limited to Delsogade, but when Sasha regains her power as goddess of destruction, Venuz can be used through her logic destroying eyes without any time limit, so.
Yeah ik, I just thought he was insinuating that once the time limit is up the affect runs out (it do be 6AM for me)
 
Yes, the only exception is Kanon, in terms of humans, that is. Why would there be a need to connect this to a God when they are irrelevant? This happened during the war between demons and humans, and Anos mentioned it in the context of humans.
Someone's trying to force losing the plot I guess..

Edit: No seriously, it's like trying to coerce people away from the actual reasons and context going on through non-points, why???
 
Yeah ik, I just thought he was insinuating that once the time limit is up the affect runs out
Tbf, there was mention about when it withdrew, the effect would disappear, but it meant that while venuz was present, it would allow the destruction of graham's nothigness by destroying the reason, but this is a special case, since even in the Anos source, which is even superior to MEoCD or comparable, it would take hundreds of millions of years up to almost infinite time to destroy graham's nothingness. Here's the TL if you want to check. But it is worth noting that graham's nothingness at the time lacked even reason, since venuz destroyed it.
 
In fact, the reason for AE1 for spirits is the same reason why all MGK characters have AE1, which is due to them having a source, so it shouldn't really be removed.
 
Tbf, there was mention about when it withdrew, the effect would disappear, but it meant that while venuz was present, it would allow the destruction of graham's nothigness by destroying the reason, but this is a special case, since even in the Anos source, which is even superior to MEoCD or comparable, it would take hundreds of millions of years up to almost infinite time to destroy graham's nothingness. Here's the TL if you want to check. But it is worth noting that graham's nothingness at the time lacked even reason, since venuz destroyed it.
Yeah I recall, smth like Venuz could destroy Graham's true source but it'd just take a dummy amount of time to sit there and actually truly defeat him (my guy needs a page) 😭😭😭
 
In fact, the reason for AE1 for spirits is the same reason why all MGK characters have AE1, which is due to them having a source, so it shouldn't really be removed.
That's true, but it seems the OP genuinely doesn't know how AE1 works or is too caught up on the wording. How? I have no damn clue, as if "realization & embodiment" of an abstract concept is not enough proof but whatever
 
Honest question @Dereck03 , Why is all "order" treated the same?
Good question my dear friend, to begin with, this can be answered by pointing out that all the orders fulfill the same function, to govern “X” reality of the world, in physiology they are technically the same, the only thing that makes them different is the role and power of the god himself, for example, the order that we currently have accepted as Type 1 is an order of a minor god, which is even equal or superior to keepers of order, which can not be superior to the normal gods, on a serious scale.

Chief God> Creation and Destruction Gods> 4 fundamental Gods> God of Alignment> HFG (Nosgalia)> Other Gods> Keepers-Jerga> Divine Hounds

Do we have more solid proof that order is Type 1? Yes, when it is said that they existed even before the world and what they govern were created, this thread shows what I am talking about, although it is not currently translated.
 
Good question my dear friend, to begin with, this can be answered by pointing out that all the orders fulfill the same function, to govern “X” reality of the world, in physiology they are technically the same, the only thing that makes them different is the role and power of the god himself, for example, the order that we currently have accepted as Type 1 is an order of a minor god, which is even equal or superior to keepers of order, which can not be superior to the normal gods, on a serious scale.

Chief God> Creation and Destruction Gods> 4 fundamental Gods> God of Alignment> HFG (Nosgalia)> Other Gods> Keepers-Jerga> Divine Hounds

Do we have more solid proof that order is Type 1? Yes, when it is said that they existed even before the world and what they govern were created, this thread shows what I am talking about, although it is not currently translated.
Thank you. I still think not all "order" is exactly CM 1, but at least I can see the arguments where it comes from, and where most of them get it from.

But yeah, I do consider "order" to be a unified name for the world's laws and concepts, in other words, "rules" for how the world works and functions.

If you want to know exactly what I mean by not believing all order is type 1, take Jerga for example.

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Thank you. I still think not all "order" is exactly CM 1, but at least I can see the arguments where it comes from. But I can see where most of them get it from.
I mean, we back then had all orders to be Type 1 in the WN, I think it was proven that they were type 1 by certain scans and some stuffs that happened in the silver sea, but honestly i don't remember and we aren't in that part of the novel yet.
But yeah, I do consider "order" to be a unified name for the world's laws and concepts, in other words, "rules" for how the world works and functions.
Kinda, though there's more about what order means, but you will have to wait till V8 and till Graham and Equis/Eques (Chief God) appears.
If you want to know exactly what I mean, I take Jerga for example.
As for now, he's the only example than can be used, I also posted the thread where it was discussed and accepted.
And of course, the acceptance of Type 1 Cm was previously debated, here we have the thread, and as far as I see you question the same thing, there is no need to debate the same thing.
 
Anyway, to the matter at hand, for the moment we have the following.

  • Immortality Type 1 is just adding the scan and has already been dropped.
  • Invulneravility, just add the missing scan.
  • HGR and Type 1 Order, I already put the counterarguments and there seems to be no refutation against them so it just remains to be evaluated.
  • Spirits (No thanks, I went to bed at 3 am and out of the blue I woke up at 5 am (it's 6:47 am now) and I'm kind of lazy to look for scans, it looks like the others have already addressed it. Sooooo.

Why not drop the other 2 missing parts that seem to be left for other threads? Although I already know what the content is.
 
Did bro actually just say Venuz has a time limit? 💀💀💀
It seems Derek answered your question himseIf, so Ieaving this.
The only reason Kanon was mentioned is because he has 7 sources and can regenerate the others if they are destroyed as time goes by and in front of the gods he is a fodder so I won't bother to argue.
Which is why he was described as the only exception to the fact that source destruction means permanent death, mind you. That does not really address my point.
The fact that it lasts 5 minutes (damn, it lasts a lot) does not mean anything here, since the effect of the order of destruction is still maintained by having permanently destroyed something.
Which, by the way, even after venuz destroyed the source, Anos himseIf regenerated Nos;s source, aIbeit in a partiaI state since Venuz made it so that Agronemt couldnt destroy it permanently.
In fact, Anos used Venuzdnoa in a way that only 10 percent of nosgalia;s source could be recovered, but then why did he regenerate their source to 10 percent himself? Why couldnt Nosgalia remove regenerate that much himself?
You gods are near indestructible. If it weren’t for Venuzdonoa, you would have easily regenerated your source. Choosing to leech off Eldmed’s body and source was your mistake. Within him, you can survive with only ten percent of your source. That remaining ten percent will prevent the collapse of order.”
I had destroyed his source in a way that allowed only ten percent or so to be recovered through source regeneration magic. This meant that Agronemt couldn’t restore his source to its perfect state.
“Rest assured, I am aware the world will end if you cannot regenerate. I’ve made sure to break you just enough to allow for a slow recovery.”
Before you say, Its because Venuzdnoa destroyed it, that was never clarrified as a reason to stop their regen to 10 percent. Sure, the scan says what I bolded in it, but that has its own reasoning, which is that a god;s source is endless, so it cannot be destroyed to nothingess by a normal sword, even Shin;s sword cannot destroy it to nothingness, it can onIy keep cutting it untiI onIy an infiniteIy smaIIer part is Ieft:
With that, Nosgalia’s source was cut into two. Shin released his hand from the God Slasher, and the Heavenly Father staggered back. The god quickly raised hishead.
“Ha ha... The source of god is indestructible. You could never— Ack!”
Nosgalia revived with the sword still in his body, but the God Slasher proceeded to cut his source into two, and then into four.
God is immor— Aaah!”
Shin stared coldly as Nosgalia screamed and fell to his knees.
“Hell is a nightmare that can endlessly divide one’s source. That is the punishment the God Slasher inflicts on a god.”

In the next few moments, the source that had been split into four pieces split into eight, then sixteen, then thirty-two. The source of a god was immortal, which meant the God Slasher’s hidden art would continue splitting it without end. The Heavenly Father would have to suffer until his source could no longer be divided.
In fact, both Anos;s statement and NosgaIia;s statement follow the premise that Gods being indestructibIe/immortaI, the Iatter case with Shin expIains why they are indestructible, that is, because their source is without end/infinite, Shin would have kept cutting them to no end but the source would not be reduced to nothingness, and thus the god would stiII be abIe to regenerate, but in the first case with Venuzdnoa, it destroyed him tiII nothing remained, thus why he couId not regenerate at aII, triggering the destruction of the world:
They eyed me warily, but I had more pressing matters at hand to attend to.
Destroying the Heavenly Father had disrupted the order of the world, triggering its eventual destruction.
“Agronemt,” I said, regenerating Nosgalia’s source. The spell, which usually required a previous attack as reference, used my own attack as a point of origin, so there was no need to observe it first. Eldmed’s body reappeared and resurrected in the classroom, and Nosgalia regained consciousness.
Which aII goes aIong with what I wiII say to this:
And self-destruction is not possible because their order does not allow it, because they as an order cannot go against it. For some reason, later in the novel emphasis is placed on existences that defy order.
And why does their order does not allow it? Because if they seIf-destruct, the world wiII end. The Iine of reasoning here is obvious. If they could in fact regenerate from complete source destruction, and at that, quickIy, there is no point to that ruIe.
 
Which is why he was described as the only exception to the fact that source destruction means permanent death, mind you. That does not really address my point.
Only exception to Humans, not gods, satoshi addressed this already.

Which, by the way, even after venuz destroyed the source, Anos himseIf regenerated Nos;s source, aIbeit in a partiaI state since Venuz made it so that Agronemt couldnt destroy it permanently.
In fact, Anos used Venuzdnoa in a way that only 10 percent of nosgalia;s source could be recovered, but then why did he regenerate their source to 10 percent himself? Why couldnt Nosgalia remove regenerate that much himself?
Dude, how many times do I have to tell you? Venuzdonoa negated Nosgalia's regen, if Anos had destroyed his source with Vebdoz, he would have regenerated, but when he did it with Venuzdonoa he said that Nosgalia would have regenerated its source if Venuzdonoa had not destroyed it, which means that if Anos had not revived it with Agronemt, Nosgalia would have been permanently destroyed because of Venuzdonoa.

And nah, Anos did not use Venuzdonoa to leave 10% of Nosgalia' source, Anos destroyed it completely, that is seen because the world is about to be destroyed, if he had not destroyed it completely and only left 10% the world would not have suffered that, Anos regenerated the source to 10% of its current power, so Nosgalia would not continue attacking the students and allowing him to recover slowly as the world continued to depend on Nosgalia.
Before you say, Its because Venuzdnoa destroyed it, that was never clarrified as a reason to stop their regen to 10 percent. Sure, the scan says what I bolded in it, but that has its own reasoning, which is that a god;s source is endless, so it cannot be destroyed to nothingess by a normal sword, even Shin;s sword cannot destroy it to nothingness, it can onIy keep cutting it untiI onIy an infiniteIy smaIIer part is Ieft:
Addressed.
In fact, both Anos;s statement and NosgaIia;s statement follow the premise that Gods being indestructibIe/immortaI, the Iatter case with Shin expIains why they are indestructible, that is, because their source is without end/infinite, Shin would have kept cutting them to no end but the source would not be reduced to nothingness, and thus the god would stiII be abIe to regenerate, but in the first case with Venuzdnoa, it destroyed him tiII nothing remained, thus why he couId not regenerate at aII, triggering the destruction of the world:
Nah, we even see that the god of traces had his source destroyed and yet Anos said it was a temporary solution and that he would return and that god is one of a lower category than Nosgalia. So yeah, they can regenerate.

AND WHY IGNORE THIS?
And let me get ahead of you as I foresee your nitpick saying that Anos did not destroy his source but Aske, we have this scan, by Anos destroying Aske with vebdoz, he would be destroying the source, the pure concept of Jerga, but this one is able to regenerate after that, since Vebdoz is for destroying sources specifically.
And why does their order does not allow it? Because if they seIf-destruct, the world wiII end. The Iine of reasoning here is obvious. If they could in fact regenerate from complete source destruction, and at that, quickIy, there is no point to that ruIe.
But why should they self-destruct? They go according to order so that is not an option, but in case they are destroyed by someone else, they are able to regenerate, bruh.

Stop trying to find the fifth leg of the cat. I'm just going to ignore your argument if so.
 
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