Maou Gakuin mini-upgrade CRT

[Sniper670]

Are you serious?

So what if someone is not immortal type 5 and can only be killed with cm and EE

Be serious. And I'd like to see where it was written gods can Only be killed with CM and EE.

 

[Dereck03]

Gods are abstracts and conceptual existences tho.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well, to kill God you need to use Existence Erasure or Conceptual Manipulation (e.g Venuzdonoa or Magic Eye of Destruction) or circumvent them by destroying their existence (which can be considered NPI to abstract and again EE).

Which is one of the general ways to kill a character with Immortality type 5.

Yeah they have godly regen and immortality type 1 already. That's what you will need to kill someone like that to begin with

 

[Sniper670]

Gods are abstracts and conceptual existences th

And what does it have to do with immortality type 5 again

 

[Dereck03]

And what does it have to do with immortality type 5 again

It is said that they do not live in any way, they are abstract and conceptual existences that can only be destroyed by EE and Cm. I honestly have no problem if it is removed or stays tho.

 

[Sniper670]

It is said that they do not live in any way, they are abstract and conceptual existences that can only be destroyed by EE and Cm. I honestly have no problem if it is removed or stays tho.

Abstract Type 2? I don't remember where it was mentioned on the wiki you can only kill abstract type 2 beings with EE and Cm only. Point me to it

 

[ImmortalDread]

I regret creating CRT @EldemadeDityjon @Tatsumi504 because of this guy. The better fact is that he admittedly has 0 idea about the verse.

 

[Dereck03]

Abstract Type 2? I don't remember where it was mentioned on the wiki you can only kill abstract type 2 beings with EE and Cm only. Point me to it

Huh, where do i mentioned Type 2? Gods are AE Type 1 existences.

 

[Sniper670]

Huh, do i mentioned Type 2? Gods are AE Type 1 existences.

I'm going by what you show me. They embody an abstraction. Now let's look at what AE 2 says

Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it

 

[Dereck03]

Gods are abstractions that embody Type 1 concepts through entire 4-D universe, practically the gods are the order itself, furthermore, the gods do not require their order (Abstraction) to be destroyed in order for them to die since they are independent.

 

[Sniper670]

That's not type 1.

Type 1 is to exist as the abstraction itself.. Which means they lack form.

If maou is given type 1 wrongly it should be removed

 

[ImmortalDread]

Alright, I will do it in next CRT. Why not, thats just upgrade, not harmful lol

 

[Dereck03]

Type 1 is to exist as the abstraction itself.. Which means they lack form.

They are the abstraction, meaning they are the order ????? Gods are the order themselves... Meaning they are the (Concept, The Law, The Fate, The Duality)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Also, we don't give Immortality type 9 just because you can create an avatar. If it worked like that, every Avatar creator has Type 9 immortality

Immortality Type 9 is Transcendent Immortality. Seriously guys

Wutt?

I also disagree with immortality type 5


What you're describing is immortality type 7, since they're already dead

Double wutt?
In hate way did that imply they were dead?

And also. Since you all seem to place a lot of emphasis on outside order, anyone not outside of order who was able to affect Anos is an anti feat for Anos.

As someone mentioned earlier, Anos being precog is proof he doesn't qualify for Acausality type 4

Y'all put too much weight on "I'm outside order" when said characters are affected by those who aren't outside order just fine

No, it isn't, its a feat for the ability. Having interaction feats is not an anti-feat for type 4

 

[Sniper670]

They are the abstraction, meaning they are the order ????? Gods are the order themselves... Meaning they are the (Concept, The Law, The Fate, The Duality)

They're not. From what you showed they're not the abstraction themselves, they embody them

Unless you want to say the forms they appear as are avatars, which I'd like to see

 

[Sniper670]

Double wutt?
In hate way did that imply they were dead?

"They're not alive". And so they're undead. Type 7 without further context

No, it isn't, its a feat for the ability. Having interaction feats is not an anti-feat for type 4

Everything else. Including their transduality Type 3

 

[Tatsumi504]

Eh read through the immortality session again and I have to say that's not immortality type 5, especially since gods can actually be killed and actually bound by life and death what was referred to there was type 1 immortality and also type 9 negation is kind of a No since that was a by product of Anos probability manip.

They can only be killed with EE and CM. Type 1 just means you don't age, here two of the oldest and most knowledgeable gods state in a non metaphorical way that they don't even live.

Don't get your point about the type 9. Celis used probability manipulation to destroy the link between the puppet (avatar) and its creator. Its the avatars that have type 9 for being unkillable because their true bodies exist in a different plane. Negging that connection between true body and avatar and stopping the avatar from regenerating and coming back is type 9 negation, isn't it?

 

[Sniper670]

They can only be killed with EE and CM. Type 1 just means you don't age, here two of the oldest and most knowledgeable gods state in a non metaphorical way that they don't even live.

Where was it mentioned they can only be killed by EE.

And why is that proof that they're type 5.

Seriously, even if I take the statement at face value, does it mean that everyone who can be killed by EE and CM is type 5 immortality?

Don't get your point about the type 9. Celis used probability manipulation to destroy the link between the puppet (avatar) and its creator. Its the avatars that have type 9 for being unkillable because their true bodies exist in a different plane. Negging that connection between true body and avatar and stopping the avatar from regenerating and coming back is type 9 negation, isn't it?

Which different plane. Show me

You don't get type 9 immortality just because you can make avatars to do your bidding. NO

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I regret creating CRT @EldemadeDityjon @Tatsumi504 because of this guy. The better fact is that he admittedly has 0 idea about the verse.

Take my Advice and ignore him until a staff comes and comment here. i already lost when he twisted immortality type 9 meaning. Not to mention he didn't read the scans where Parrington Avatar being revived and regenerated due to his real self existing in a different plane of reality. LMAO

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

They can only be killed with EE and CM. Type 1 just means you don't age, here two of the oldest and most knowledgeable gods state in a non metaphorical way that they don't even live.

Don't get your point about the type 9. Celis used probability manipulation to destroy the link between the puppet (avatar) and its creator. Its the avatars that have type 9 for being unkillable because their true bodies exist in a different plane. Negging that connection between true body and avatar and stopping the avatar from regenerating and coming back is type 9 negation, isn't it?

Take my Advice and ignore him until a staff comes and comment here. i already lost when he twisted immortality type 9 meaning. Not to mention he didn't read the scans where Parrington Avatar being revived and regenerated due to his real self existing in a different plane of reality. LMAO

 

[Sniper670]

Saying Lmao doesn't make type 9 immortality negation a thing.

 

[Dereck03]

They're not. From what you showed they're not the abstraction themselves, they embody them

Unless you want to say the forms they appear as are avatars, which I'd like to see

Here it's said twice that gods are only order. Clearly they claim to be the reason for the world and order in general is what rules the world.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Yeah they have godly regen and immortality type 1 already. That's what you will need to kill someone like that to begin with

Nah, you could literally stab a person with type 1 and then they die.
Gods don't even bleed when injured, Nousgalia had his head cut off by shin and just wandered round and spirit forest as a headless body. They've only been killed by EE and CM. Their regen is a separate matter from this

 

[Sniper670]

Here it's said twice that gods are only order. Clearly they claim to be the reason for the world and order in general is what rules the world.

I'm not seeing Abstract Existence type 1 here.

They have bodies yes or no. The interaction proves they have a body.

Is the body an avatar of an abstract? Or the body is they themselves.

The latter. Yeah, if you don't provide any more evidence I'll make a crt to remove it

 

[ImmortalDread]

Guys, I am unwatching my own CRT. I will call staff tmr later.

 

[Dereck03]

Huh, what a pain, you know what? You are more than welcome to do as you please, I said what needed to be said, God is order, they are nothing, their being is order, they are conceptual existences that are the order adn reason of the world unlike any other character in the series that only his source is AE.

 

[PrinceofPein]

They can only be killed with EE and CM. Type 1 just means you don't age, here two of the oldest and most knowledgeable gods state in a non metaphorical way that they don't even live.

You can't kill people with godly regen without CM and EE to begin with and that would be my bad, it should be type 2 immortality

Don't get your point about the type 9. Celis used probability manipulation to destroy the link between the puppet (avatar) and its creator. Its the avatars that have type 9 for being unkillable because their true bodies exist in a different plane. Negging that connection between true body and avatar and stopping the avatar from regenerating and coming back is type 9 negation, isn't it?

Nope that's probability manip as seen in the scans.
What will be type 9 is killing that avatar that can't die unless the original dies without severing the connections first

 

[Sniper670]

Here it's said twice that gods are only order. Clearly they claim to be the reason for the world and order in general is what rules the world.

Look. There are several ways to kill anything.

You're saying this as if thats the only way to kill them

Y'all keep saying they can only be killed by EE and Cm, and I'm yet to see where it was mentioned by anyone in the series

 

[Sniper670]

Huh, what a pain, you know what? You are more than welcome to do as you please, I said what needed to be said, God is order, they are nothing, their being is order, they are conceptual existences that are the order adn reason of the world unlike any other character in the series that only his source is AE.

But their body is their true body.

Yeah, AE 1 for them must be removed.

If order of time, for instance, was type 1, it should exist purely as time itself. And any form they take should be merely manifestations. Not the case here it seems

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Nope that's probability manip as seen in the scans.
What will be type 9 is killing that avatar that can't die unless the original dies without severing the connections first

Wait a moment.
So severing the connection between the Avatar and the True Existence existing in other plane is not Immo type 9 negation according to you?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Did you read any of the statements there?

Which different plane. Show me

You don't get type 9 immortality just because you can make avatars to do your bidding. NO

They (celis and luna) are in militia world, in layer 0 of the silver sea. Paddington was in a different world like 20 layers deeper

You can't kill people with godly regen without CM and EE to begin with and that would be my bad, it should be type 2 immortality

Except that the regen is a separate issue. Even if the gods didn't have HGR, you'd still need EE or CM to kill them

 

[PrinceofPein]

Wait a moment.
So severing the connection between the Avatar and the True Existence existing in other plane is not Immo type 9 negation according to you?

Did you read the OP and the means he used? He literally used probability and fate manip

Except that the regen is a separate issue. Even if the gods didn't have HGR, you'd still need EE or CM to kill them

How you have proof of a god without regen and still needed EE and CM to kill them?

 

[Dereck03]

The best proof is when Shin tried everything to kill Nousgalia with everything he had (without using EE or CM) but it was useless because despite everything that shin did to him, he didn't even flinch and nothing happened to him.

 

[PrinceofPein]

The best proof is when Shin tried everything to kill Nousgalia with everything he had (without using EE or CM) but it was useless because despite everything that shin did to him, he didn't even flinch and nothing happened to him.

Nousagalia has no godly regen of any form?

 

[Sniper670]

Did you read any of the statements there?

They (celis and luna) are in militia world, in layer 0 of the silver sea. Paddington was in a different world like 20 layers deeper

Type 9 is when the true self of a character exists on a higher/independent plane so to interact with the regular plane of reality, they manifest avatars of themselves.

 

[Tatsumi504]

You can't kill people with godly regen without CM and EE to begin with and that would be my bad, it should be type 2 immortality

Nope that's probability manip as seen in the scans.
What will be type 9 is killing that avatar that can't die unless the original dies without severing the connections first

Avatars can die. They just regenerate because their true selves exists somewhere else. Am I wrong? Do I need to take a reality check? This is weird, I feel like everything I've known was a lie

 

[PrinceofPein]

Avatars can die. They just regenerate because their true selves exists somewhere else. Am I wrong? Do I need to take a reality check? This is weird, I feel like everything I've known was a lie

It comes in many forms, some avatars don't even die to begin with e.g. mercurius.
An attack or hax on thr level of his true self is needed to kill or harm him

 

[Sniper670]

Honestly. I don't see how it he supposed immortality type 9 negation here will work at all

You cannot severed the connection between a tier 1 entity and his avatar.

What? You're going to stop the tier 1 from making a new Avatar? What power you got, tier 2?

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Did you read the OP and the means he used? He literally used probability and fate

Yes, ik.
So using probability manip to sever the connection cannot qualify as type 9 negation?

 

[Orioreeem]

Severing conection is type 9 negation as far as I know.