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ImmortalDread

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Introduction​


We will be upgrading some abilities in the verse Maou Gakuin.
  • Acausality 1 and acausality 1 negation for Venuzdonoa
  • BDE for Venuzdonoa
  • Immortality types 2 and 5 for Arcana and Eques
  • Healing/Regeneration negation from low-mid to high-mid
  • BDE/Acc type 4 for some characters (more details is listed down)
  • Graham's immortality type 9 negation
  • Anos and Graham's summoning+necromancy
  • Tier upgrade for Garham (solid 2-A)

Ei Sheal - Healing ability​

(総魔完全治癒エイ・シェアル, Ei Shearu, lit. “All Magic Complete Healing”)

Effectively the greatest and most powerful version of Ent, it reverses and heals all damage done to the afflicted, as it can even heal the supposedly unhealable wounds caused by stigmas from Holy Swords.

Scans/Proofs​


You think I'm going to wait for that, King of Fierce Death? A moment later, a great deal of fresh blood was spilled. Countless red magic spears were thrust out from the interior of Eldmade. They pierced his body from the inside out. Red Blood Demon Spear, Secret of the Spear..." Eges spins the tipless dihidoatem. The spear, thrust out from inside his body, rips the body of eldemade to shreds, as if it were devouring it.

Kakkaka, the order of God the Heavenly Father is usurped. Only he is cursed by Kaihiram, and my magic is at my disposal." Eldmade uses his own magical power to heal his wounds with the <Total Demonic Perfect Healing Ei Sheal>. To prevent anyone from realizing that he could do this, he continued to receive the secret depths of the Dark Lord unprotected until the curse was activated.

Chapter 271 Ei Sheal was used to heal this level of damage.

The character could completely heal his body that had been ripped to shreds using the spell Ei Sheal. The upgrade for their regeneration negation comes from negating even Ei Sheal, capable of healing that amount of damage. At the same time, high-mid healing should be added to any profile that currently lacks it.

Shin Reglia should also have Regeneration Negation (high - mid). Lay Glanzudlii was unable to heal from his attack.

Characters that qualify for this:

Healing High – Mid

Regeneration negation — High – Mid

Immortality Type 5 and 2 for Arcana and Eques

God has no fear, mind, will, only order. Their body is immortal and doesn't even live

Ch 184 & 190

The scan literally says, “gods are immortal and don't even live”. This isn't metaphorical in any way, particularly when it's from militia (literally the 1st god to exist alongside avernyu) and nousgalia (the HFG who governs order); no god will be more knowledgeable than them; what's more, they say it is the exact same way without using different words or expressions to describe it. It also attributes their immortality to the fact they don't live. All this is further supported by the gods having only been killed with Existence Erasure and Conceptual Manipulation.

Characters that qualify for this (Gods):

Acausality type 1 / Negation for the sword Venuzdonoa​

Scans/Proofs​

Everyone should get Acausality based on the order of time. The past cannot be changed. Of the past is changed in any drastic way, the gods who govern time activate the temporal order to revert all changes.

Venuzdonoa itself is removed from the order of time. It is also capable of separating others from the order of time so that changes they make can't be reverted by the gods who govern time.

Weapon profile: Venuzdonoa

Beyond Dimensional Existence​

Explanation​

  • Beyond-Dimensional Existence(type 1): Nothing can exist without order; everything depends on order. The characters gaining this would be Sasha Necron and Misha Necron (for their goddess forms). Misha was the goddess of creation who created other orders and the world in her past life, while Sasha was the goddess of destruction. Both existed before the very conception of all other orders. This would include the orders that govern time and space. As such, they shouldn't be reliant on time and space.
  • Beyond-Dimensional Existence(type 2): The characters gaining this would be Eques and Arcana along with Anos and Graham(for their source). Order follows a system of dualities. Eques, arcana, graham, and Anos are all transdual characters and are superior to all orders, including the order that governs time and space.
  • Acausality(type 4): This would apply to Eques, Arcana, Sasha, and Misha. Among the countless orders that exist include the order of causality, which governs all cause and effect in the world. Sasha, Misha, and Eques existed before the creation of other orders, including the order of causality, and, as such, should operate on a different system of causality. Arcana, along with Eques is transdual and above all order.

Garham and Anos's immortality type 9 negation​

Scans/Proofs​


<赤糸>を彼女の根源に絡みつかせると、男は魔法陣を描き、そこから<記憶石>を取り出した。 「あなたの母と父を殺したのは、幻名騎士団。だが、心配することはないのである。あなたは正しき家族を取り戻すのだから」  <赤糸>の反対側が、<記憶石>に絡みつく。  男が魔力を注ぎ込み、その権能を発揮しようとする、まさにその瞬間であった。  空から紫電が走ったかと思えば、家が丸ごと消し飛んだ。  その男の四肢は、一瞬にして、剣で切り刻まれたかのようにバラバラになっていた。  バチバチと紫電が辺りに走っている。 「あ…………」  ルナはその目めを見開いた。

After twisting the red thread around her root, the man drew a magic circle and pulled out a memory stone from it. The man said, "It was the Order of the Phantom Knights who killed your mother and father. But you have nothing to worry about. You will regain your rightful family."  The other side of the Red Thread entwined with the Memory Stone.  It was at that very moment that the man poured his magical power into the stone, and was about to demonstrate his authority.  A burst of purple electricity shot up from the sky, and the entire house was obliterated.  In an instant, the man's limbs were torn apart as if he had been sliced by a sword.  A bee sting and a purple electric shock ran through the area. "Ah ............."  Luna's eyes widened.
「……そちらからやってくるとは、探す手間が省けたのである」  切断された胴体から伸びる<赤糸>が四肢を引きつけ、バラバラになった五体が再び一カ所にまとまる。  むくりと起き上がった男は、魔法人形を彷彿させた。 「いかにこの体を斬ろうとも、この運命の赤い糸は決して切れはしないのである。この数百年間、私から逃げ続けていたのをもう忘れたか?」  男が手を突き出す。  一〇本の指から伸びた<赤糸>が、セリスに向かって襲いかかった。 「<波身蓋然顕現ヴェネジアラ>」  セリスは万雷剣を球体魔法陣に突き刺す。  同時に、九つの可能性の刃が、九つの可能性の球体魔法陣を貫いた。  耳を劈く雷鳴と、その場を覆いつくすほどの紫電が溢れる。  天は轟き、地は震撼し、ありとあらゆるものが魔力の解放だけで消し飛んでいく。  ただ唯一、彼の真後ろにいたルナだけが、なんの影響も受けなかった。  セリスが万雷剣を天にかざせば、合計一〇本の剣身から糸のように細い紫電が上空へ走った。  それは、<赤糸>を斬るために編み出された魔法。  ただ一つの運命を結ぶ<赤糸>に対して、無限の可能性を切り開く滅びの刃だ。 「<滅尽十紫電界雷剣ラヴィア・ネオルド・ガルヴァリィズェン>」

"......That you would come from that direction saved me the trouble of looking for him."  The red threads extending from the severed torso attracted the limbs, and the five dismembered bodies were put together again.  The man who rose with a start was reminiscent of a magic doll. "No matter how you slice this body, the red thread of destiny will never be broken. Have you forgotten how you have been running from me for the last several hundred years?"  The man thrusts out his hand.  The red thread, extending from each of his ten fingers, struck out at Celis. "<Wave body probability manifestation, Venezia>"  Celis thrusts the Thunder Sword into the spherical magic circle.  At the same time, the blades of nine possibilities pierced the spherical magic circle of nine possibilities.  An ear-splitting thunderclap and an overflowing purple electricity that covered the place.  The heavens roared, the earth shook, and everything was obliterated by the release of magic power alone.  Only Luna, who was right behind him, was unaffected.  Celis held up the Thunder Sword to the sky, and a thread-thin beam of purple electricity shot up into the sky from a total of 10 sword blades.  This was the magic that had been created to cut the <Red Thread>.  It is a blade of destruction that opens up unlimited possibilities for the red thread that connects only one destiny. "Ravia Neold Galvaryzen."
大空から、一〇本の剣めがけ、滅びの紫電が落ちてきた。  天と地をつなぐ柱の如く、それは一振りの刃と化す。  セリスが踏み込み、万雷剣が振り下ろされる。  空を引き裂くような音が遠くどこまでも響き渡り、滅びがそこに落雷した。 「なっ――――!?」  男が紫に染められ、一〇本の<赤糸>が消し飛んでいた。 「ごっ……があぁぁっ………がああああああああああああああぁぁぁぁぁ………!!! これ、しきぃぃでぇぇぇっ……」  農耕都市デルアークが紫電に照らされる。  魔法人形の男はそれに対抗するべく、恐るべき魔力にて反魔法を展開した。

From the sky, a purple lightning of doom fell toward ten swords.  Like a pillar connecting heaven and earth, it transformed into a single blade.  Celis stepped forward, and the Banrai Sword swung down.  A sound like tearing apart the sky echoed far and wide, and destruction struck there in the form of lightning. "Nah----!"  The man was dyed purple, and ten <red threads> were obliterated. "Gosh ...... is aaaaahhhh ......... is aaaaahhhhhh ......! ...! This is shiiiideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ......"  The agricultural city of Del Arc is illuminated by purple light.  The man of the magic puppet deployed anti-magic with terrific magical power to counter it.
一瞬盛り返したかに見えたのも束の間、男の体がボロボロと崩壊を始めた。  自身の魔力に、体がついていかないのだ。  あっという間に五体が崩れ去り、体をつなぎ止める赤い糸が剥き出しになる。  体が耐えきれず、反魔法が消え去った瞬間、紫電の刃が<赤糸>を悉く焼き切った。  四肢は瞬く間に消滅し、男の首だけがそこに残る。 「……お、のれぇぇ……おのれぇ、おのれぇ、おのれぇぇぇっ! 所詮は泡沫世界の住人の体かっ……! 人形よりも脆いとはっ……!」  セリスは男の首の前に立ち、万雷剣を振り上げた。 「貴、様…………貴様ぁぁ……! セリス・ヴォルディゴードォォォォッ!! これで勝ったと思うなよ。<偶人>ならば、本気を出せれば貴様如き、ものの数ではな――がっ……」  容赦なく万雷剣が振り下ろされ、紫電とともに首は消滅した。  魔眼を向け、敵の無力化を確認すると、セリスは魔法陣の中に万雷剣を納める。

After a brief moment of seeming to recover, the man's body began to disintegrate into pieces.  His body could not keep up with his own magical power.  In no time at all, the red threads holding his body together were exposed.  The moment his body could no longer hold out, and the anti-magic faded away, the blade of the purple electricity burned through the red threads.  The limbs disappear in the blink of an eye, leaving only the man's head. "The man's head was all that remained. It is only the body of an inhabitant of the bubble world......! More fragile than a doll! ......!"  Celis stood in front of the man's neck and raised her lightning sword. "You, my lord,............ you,......! Celis Voldigoad! Don't think this is a victory. If you are an even, if you are serious, you are nothing compared to the number of you ......."  Without mercy, the thunderbolt sword was swung down, and the head disappeared along with the purple lightning.  After turning her magic eye to confirm that the enemy was neutralized, Celis placed the lightning sword inside the magic circle.
「どうだ? パリントン。我が父、セリス・ヴォルディゴードは?」  神話の時代。ミリティア世界に転生したルナの両親を殺害し、彼女の記憶を<赤糸>で上書きしようとした魔法人形は、紛れもなくこのパリントンだ。  二人の会話から察するに、パリントンはミリティア世界に侵入し、姉が思いを寄せるセリスを亡き者にしようと企んでいた。  <偶人>を持ってこなかったのも、再びやってこなかったのも、恐らくはパブロヘタラの関係だろう。  泡沫世界へ入ることは禁止されている。  遺体を自分の体とすることで力を隠し、上手く紛れ込んだはいいものの、我が父には敵わず、返り討ちにあったといったところか。

"How's it going?" "Parrington. How is my father, Celis Voldigoad?"  The Age of Myths. The magical doll who murdered Luna's parents and tried to overwrite her memory with the Red Thread is undoubtedly this Parrington.  From their conversation, it was clear that Parrington was planning to invade the world of Militia and kill Celis, whom her sister had feelings for.  The reason why he did not bring the "idol" with him and why he did not come back again is probably related to Pablo Hetala.  It is forbidden to enter the bubble world.  He hid his power by using the corpse as his own body, and although he successfully blended in, he was no match for my father and was beaten back.

Explanation​

During the age of mythology Parrington used a avatar to invade Militia World. His body shouldn't be able to enter Foamy world because of Pablohetara rules. So he used an artificial body. The thing is he was manipulating his body from a different plane of reality other than the Militia world. The fact he even states Celis can't destroy him because his destiny won't be broken backs up him not being destroyed because of his real body existing in different plane
Celis to overcome Parrington immortality used Probability Manipulation and created a new probability where he destroys that destiny

His real body exists in a different plane of reality. He used an Avatar to enter Militia World. He connected his Avatar and his real self with a destiny that can't be destroyed. Celis Voldigoad created a possibility where even that destiny gets destroyed with his probability manipulation, which turns all possibilities into reality. Then cut down the (Connection) Destiny of the Avatar and Real body, negating the Avatar's immortality.

An overview​

Magic Eyes Purple Destruction — High Godly Regeneration Negation (Can kill and put an end to gods who can regenerate from Source destruction)
Magic Eyes Of Chaotic Destruction (higher decree of high godly regeneration negation. Stated to destroy Eques who can resist Magic eyes of purple destruction)

Anos and Graham's summoning+necromancy​

Scans/Proofs​


「<母胎転生ギジェリカ>によって、貴様は自らと同じくツェイロンの血を引く魔族を生み出しただけのこと。二番エッドらの首を奪い、その力を奪い、消えたはずの幻名騎士団を再び作り直した」

"By means of the <Maternal reincarnation Gigerica> you have merely created a demon tribe that, like yourself, has the blood of Zeylons. You took the heads of Edd and others, stole their power, and re-created the Knights of the Phantom Name, which was supposed to have disappeared."
グラハムは、両手で魔法陣を描く。 「思うに、僕はずっと世界の理の外にいた。君と同じく神族に狙われることもあってね。狂乱神アガンゾンもその一人だ」  奴の指先に光が集い、選定の盟珠が現れる。 「<神座天門選定召喚グアラ・ナーテ・フォルテオス>」  選定の盟珠に積層されていく魔法陣。  神々しさと禍々しさが入り交じった黒白の光が文字を描き、それがぐちゃぐちゃに乱されていく。  その中心に、姿を現したのは、ツギハギの服を纏った幼い男の子だ。  一本の羽根ペンをその手に握り締めている。

Garham draws a magic circle with both hands. "I think, I have been outside the world's logic for a long time. Like you, I've been targeted by the gods. Aganzon, the mad god, was one of them."  Light gathers at his fingertips, and the Pearl of Selection appears. "<Guara Nate Forteos>, the Selected Summoner of the Throne of Heaven."  A magic circle is stacked on the bead of selection.  Black and white light, a mixture of the divine and the disastrous, draws letters, which are disordered into a mess.  At the center of it all, a young boy in a clingy outfit emerges.  He is clutching a quill pen in his hand.

Explanation​

Life Manipulation, Power Mimicry, Necromancy & Summoning (Graham was able to Recreate Phantom Knights who were destroyed Conceptually during the fight 2 thousand years ago. Additionally, he can summon them during the fight and make them fight in his place. They will have all of their powers from the original Selfs. Additionally, Graham can also Summon Frenzy God)

https://vsbattles.com/threads/graham-abilities-addition.139016/
It has been accepted before, but @Dereck03 forgot to add them to the profile. So this is only a reminder.

Solid Rating for Gahram (2-A)​

Not much of a tier upgrade, but it is an update. This shall be removing the likely 2-A rating from Graham's profile and making it a solid 2-A. Rivalschnedd is the god who governs the order of traces. Traces are the basically the footprints of everything that has existed in the world. All traces arrive at the beginning of time, that is where the God of traces sits. Graham merely by trying to cast magic, was affecting the endless realm they were in without the magic itself activating.

Additionally, add Resistance to Existence Erasure to his resistances. He already resists the abilities of Anos Voldigoad's purple eyes, which includes Existence Erasure.

Results / Vote Results​


Note: You may wonder why I said mini-Upgrade CRT because I will be dropping one of the biggest CRTs for the verse next weekend. So be prepared!

Note: Bold = Staff Opinion

Conclusion​


  • Everyone should get Acausality based on the order of time --> Only Gods
  • BDE is rejected by everyone
 
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Doesn't this make them immune fear, mind, etc..??
Technically they are. But they still got feared due to anos. if we consider his fear hax as more potent than immunity then you can count it as immunity.
Its immunity+ a feat for Anos. Though it was more of madness manipulation than fear manipulation and was a verse mechanic than anything else.

Immunity to fear, mind manipulation has already been added for all gods.
 
Wasn't it because Lay wasn't good at healing magic?
He can use Ei Sheal
WN Chapter 125.

I lied when I said, "As long as this shield is in my hand. You seem to be a good swordsman, but you are a little too honest. As long as this shield is not broken, even if I let go of it, the curse will not be lifted.

Yes. Unfortunately, bargaining is not my strong suit.

Smiling coolly, lay used <Total Perfect Healing Ei Sheal> on his own wrist. However, the wound shows no sign of healing.
 
Disagree with Acausality type 1, it is the verse/cosmology mechanic not character inherent state of being/physiology, literally, the change in the past is negated because a god who govern time negate it

Disagree with BDE, your assumption is too far fetched
 
Disagree with Acausality type 1, it is the verse/cosmology mechanic not character inherent state of being/physiology, literally, the change in the past is negated because a god who govern time negate it

Disagree with BDE, your assumption is too far fetched
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Neutral , I would also like the opinions of others including Dereck03.
counted
 
Disagree with Acausality type 1, it is the verse/cosmology mechanic not character inherent state of being/physiology, literally, the change in the past is negated because a god who govern time negate it

Disagree with BDE, your assumption is too far fetched
And what about others?
 
Disagree with Acausality type 1, it is the verse/cosmology mechanic not character inherent state of being/physiology, literally, the change in the past is negated because a god who govern time negate it
Not when the characters are bound to it both in and outside the verse so it's not restricted to a verse mechanic. Venuzdonoa itself is then capable of negative the order that makes it so that the past can't be changed.
Disagree with BDE, your assumption is too far fetched
Far fetched in what way? They (sasha, misha, eques) existed even before space or time itself did. What makes you think they'd be reliant on it? Graham, Anos and arcana are then unbound from and superior to order, including the orders that make it so that time and space existing meaning they aren't reliant on it
 
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The rest are okay

The aca4 and 1 is a no no
The BDE too is a No no, they literally show nothing to even proof this assumptions, they need to show that they lack spatial characteristics e.g. height, length and width and also time.
 
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The rest are okay

The aca4 is a no no
The BDE too is a No no, they literally show nothing to even proof this assumptions, they need to show that they lack spatial characteristics e.g. height, length and width and also time.
I was just going to ask for your evaluation to screw everyone.
 
Anyway, BDE was a bit of an attempt, since those specific beings existed long before the order of space and time and are transdual to those orders, it was an assumption.
 
I was just going to ask for your evaluation to screw everyone.
Ah too late😂
Saw MGK on the new posts list and I was like "Time to see what this boys are up to again"
But surprisingly it is a good thread that I mostly find okay, which is bummer since this will be peaceful.
 
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