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Major Mario CRT: Mama mia, another one!?
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I'm just bumping every now and then to keep the thread up
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Thank you, I sometimes forget to bump. We just need input from DRB and maybe one or two more mods.
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We Ik but DRB is usually busy and I think hes working on making profiles for the ancients from paper mario
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As I've said before, I definitely agree with 4-A Mario and Infinite Speed for pure/chaos heart users. 2-B star spirits/rod looks fine too.
I have a couple of issues with Bowser's profile. The Mid-High feat is an off-screen regen feat, so we don't know how he came to be alive again. As for the Low-Godly feat, Bowser turning into star energy isn't even fully on screen, plus we hear a thud meaning Bowser couldn't have been pure energy. My guess is that Bowser returned to his normal size rather than regenerating. I also don't know where Paralysis Inducement comes from. He could have Aura with power stars + the star rod (Super Mario 64 + Paper Mario final bosses).
I have a couple of issues with Bowser's profile. The Mid-High feat is an off-screen regen feat, so we don't know how he came to be alive again. As for the Low-Godly feat, Bowser turning into star energy isn't even fully on screen, plus we hear a thud meaning Bowser couldn't have been pure energy. My guess is that Bowser returned to his normal size rather than regenerating. I also don't know where Paralysis Inducement comes from. He could have Aura with power stars + the star rod (Super Mario 64 + Paper Mario final bosses).
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Off-screen regen has been added to other profiles before.
Even then, Bowser's body was used in Odyssey to become a ball of electricity which isn't solid and him, Peach, and Mario can revert back to their original solid states after crashing and having that body destroyed.
Granted, it's not quite as good as Mario's case, where you can clearly see his body dissipate and official art showcases his body is more corporeal when entering his Captures, but it's likely the same thing happens with Bowser and Peach as well, and once Captured, Cappy and Tiara don't dictate anything else, as Mario can jump put of captures himself, supported by the multiplayer, and we also see in the final cutscene that Cappy and Tiara didn't have much control and the gang popped out on their own.
But eh.
Even then, Bowser's body was used in Odyssey to become a ball of electricity which isn't solid and him, Peach, and Mario can revert back to their original solid states after crashing and having that body destroyed.
Granted, it's not quite as good as Mario's case, where you can clearly see his body dissipate and official art showcases his body is more corporeal when entering his Captures, but it's likely the same thing happens with Bowser and Peach as well, and once Captured, Cappy and Tiara don't dictate anything else, as Mario can jump put of captures himself, supported by the multiplayer, and we also see in the final cutscene that Cappy and Tiara didn't have much control and the gang popped out on their own.
But eh.
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I've been told before off screen regen can be fine if the character in question has explicit showings of regen before (Which Bowser has) but I'm not too fussed about the Mid-High stuff. Although Bowser very explicitly doesn't just revert to his normal size, you see him explode into stars as he falls and the cutscene just a few seconds later a mass of star energy fly up from the lava and in front of Yoshi before flying away into the giant portal in the background that doesn't show up until Bowser appears via time travelling so the mass of dark star energy that shows up and leaves is undoubtedly him. Paralysis Inducement is from several of his electrical attacks paralyzing Mario and his stomps also somehow stunning Mario, just haven't added the links for these yet, and yeah the Star Rod should give him Aura but he doesn't have any aura during the final battle of SM64, he just looks kinda glowly and rainbowy due to lighting issues and the remake fixes it so he just looks as he normally does.
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Foxthefox1000 said:
This is true when there is a quantifiably small gap for the regen to happen, and a couple other cases. Having other regen feats certainly lowers the burden of proof, but going from Mid/High-Mid feats to an off-screen Low-Godly feat seems a bit much.Dust Collector said:
The electricity feat seems a bit iffy, it could just be Mario + Cappy shapeshifting Bowser and Peach back to their bodies, or them being "ejected" from their electricity state.
I didn't know Bowser being shiny in the final SM64 battle was lighting issues, but the stuff about SM64 is fair.
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The regen feat doesn't seem too off
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Dino said he would comment after the other one is taken care of since he prefers to deal with them one by one.
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Bump
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Also I think cappy for mario should be mind/possession
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It's already possession on his page.
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For the regen, there's also the feat in 3D World where Bowser explodes into fireworks and then during the end credits shortly after he's fine.
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I counts as mind_manipulation tooDatOneWeeb said:
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In that case, we give mind manipulation to every possession user.
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It be best to keep it as possession then
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Thats still mid-high Regenerationn- 3,711
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Tbh does Bowser have any other regen feats, though? And it happens in a short enough timeframe IMO.
Otherwise what else can it be? He has to come back somehow, which would meam either resurrection or a form of immortality
Otherwise what else can it be? He has to come back somehow, which would meam either resurrection or a form of immortality
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Resurrection is a form of immortality.
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Yeah, and then you have peoole claiming it's not combat applicable.
I dunno, man. I guess it's whatever. If not allowed regen it should at least be something, and I guess Immortality makes sense given even a casual audience could agree with that due to how he never stays down.
I dunno, man. I guess it's whatever. If not allowed regen it should at least be something, and I guess Immortality makes sense given even a casual audience could agree with that due to how he never stays down.
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I have a question, how does baby Bowser turning Yoshi's world into a book make him 4-A? It shouldn't scale to him physically as he used a spell to turn it into a book.
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Because Bowser has used magic related attacks before to harm Yoshi. Kamek also might have an influence on it and he is consistently shown to amp Baby Bowser.
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When does Baby Bowser use magic in his attacks? Doesn't he just Ground pound and try to ride Yoshi? If Kamek did it, I would understand why it would scale to Bowser, but How Does it translate into AP? Wouldn't it just be 4-A transmutation? Creating a realm with lots of Stars is 4-A because of the force that it takes to create Stars, but turning Stars into a storybook isn't the same, as he didn't create those Stars, he just used a spell to turn them into a book.
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He didn't turn the stars into a book, he turned the Island into one. But the Book has 6 pages with each and every page containing a literal pocket reality containing the stars. So if he created the book, he created the pocket realities within it as well.
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Bowser in general has used magic several times and has given his children magic staffs in Super Mario Bros 3 and other games. We should be able to scale their magic to Bowser's. In Yoshi's Wooly World, a few of Baby Bowser's attacks were amped by Kamek who should have comparable power. The feat is 4-A because your changing the entire structures of several stars. It was used with magic. Bowser, his minions, and children have used magic as attacks so we should be able to scale them.
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Wait! So this Spell he used, turned the Yoshi Island into a Storybook, the Storybook has 6 pages, and every one of them has a starry sky, and he created those Stars???
Wouldn't it make more sense if he just used the spell at The Island and its sky? That's why it has Stars? Unless there's something that states he created those Stars, I think his Spell turning the island and the sky into a Storybook makes more sense, and it still shouldn't Scale to his AP If it wasn't Kamek's Doing.
And wouldn't Star Rod Bowser be Low 2-C not 2-B? As them creating those Stages doesn't mean they created every Dream in Dream Depot, and at worst, it could just mean the platform Mario and Friends play on.
Wouldn't it make more sense if he just used the spell at The Island and its sky? That's why it has Stars? Unless there's something that states he created those Stars, I think his Spell turning the island and the sky into a Storybook makes more sense, and it still shouldn't Scale to his AP If it wasn't Kamek's Doing.
And wouldn't Star Rod Bowser be Low 2-C not 2-B? As them creating those Stages doesn't mean they created every Dream in Dream Depot, and at worst, it could just mean the platform Mario and Friends play on.
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So he (Or Yoshi) changed the structures of Several Stars, can you show me that please? Also isn't it some kind of transmutation Spell, so shouldn't it be just strong Transmutation?
Also if we're adding Star Rod Bowser, shouldn't we add Black Paint Bowser? He would be 3-A, as his black paint restored Space.
So he (Or Yoshi) changed the structures of Several Stars, can you show me that please? Also isn't it some kind of transmutation Spell, so shouldn't it be just strong Transmutation?
Also if we're adding Star Rod Bowser, shouldn't we add Black Paint Bowser? He would be 3-A, as his black paint restored Space.
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No no, he changed the entire structure. He basically remade the world on his own. That works as a 4-A feat. I'm not saying Kamek was the one who did this feat, but his magic should scale if not be superior than Baby Bowser's magic. Bowser also gave all of the Koopalings their own magic wand so they should scale as well.
The description itself states that they created the dreams itself, meaning they should've created every other dream, it makes no sense that they created a few and not the rest.
I wouldn't mind a 3-A Black Paint Bowser, but this CRT is already huge as it is. I was only going make this a 4-A thread, but the Mario Discussions brought up some extra stuff so I decided to add it. Maybe in the future I'll make another CRT, doing it baby steps so I don't make myself and everyone else tired.
The description itself states that they created the dreams itself, meaning they should've created every other dream, it makes no sense that they created a few and not the rest.
I wouldn't mind a 3-A Black Paint Bowser, but this CRT is already huge as it is. I was only going make this a 4-A thread, but the Mario Discussions brought up some extra stuff so I decided to add it. Maybe in the future I'll make another CRT, doing it baby steps so I don't make myself and everyone else tired.
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Agree with 4-A for now, even though personally the main cast should be low 2-C via consistent feats.
Infinite speed for the Chaos Heart wielder doesn't seem to work here as the only interpretation. Timestop resistance / being acasual / void resistance works just as well at explaining why he can move within the Void. Disagree since it'd also change how tier 2 operates going by busters at that level survivng after they destroy their verses and can operate afterward.
The Star Spirits creating dream worlds isn't a feat at all scaleable to AP imo. Without additional context of like seeing creation outright on screen, by merely dreaming the star spirits could create those "worlds"/assuming they mean more than just the small board stages within said dreams. The residents of the mushroom kingdom create the dream worlds just by merely dreaming and those dreams are sent to the Dream Depot going by that same scan. 2-B tier for random characters would be the case like a fodder goomba being 2-B tier then since they can sleep and dream. Nevermind that each and every one of the "dream worlds" played in should be considered variable in size if they are only named as "dreams" or "dream worlds" unless each given direct statements of equality for every other dream; only one dream world here has a vague statement of being low 2-C/3-C sized. The star rod is stated to be able to grant wishes in other universes if you go by Tippi and Bleck's words, but for the reasons given i definitely disagree with star spirits or the star rod being 2-B.
Agree with the intel upgrade for Wario, neutral for Mario for the reasons given.
Culex being the "inheritor of two" doesn't seem like a justification that he's controlling all time/space. Ruling over all creation doesn't mean too much either. Him being alive across all time seems more like longevity assuming he's even talking about a 2-D universe. Neutral on his tier given the discussion so far.
Megabug is pretty outright low 2-C at worst given the duckery his influence was causing with the clock tower and him gaining the SupaMerge's powers for himself after merging with Spawny so agree.
Agree with the new keys.
I think the lifting strength calc is....very weird to apply to strength since the power stars exhibit gravity manipulation powers (like floating when he reaches them in some stages, let alone manipulating gravity so he floats around said power stars) and don't gravitationally pull Mario (or other Toads) to them on other occassions. Neutral, leaning on disagree.
Infinite speed for the Chaos Heart wielder doesn't seem to work here as the only interpretation. Timestop resistance / being acasual / void resistance works just as well at explaining why he can move within the Void. Disagree since it'd also change how tier 2 operates going by busters at that level survivng after they destroy their verses and can operate afterward.
The Star Spirits creating dream worlds isn't a feat at all scaleable to AP imo. Without additional context of like seeing creation outright on screen, by merely dreaming the star spirits could create those "worlds"/assuming they mean more than just the small board stages within said dreams. The residents of the mushroom kingdom create the dream worlds just by merely dreaming and those dreams are sent to the Dream Depot going by that same scan. 2-B tier for random characters would be the case like a fodder goomba being 2-B tier then since they can sleep and dream. Nevermind that each and every one of the "dream worlds" played in should be considered variable in size if they are only named as "dreams" or "dream worlds" unless each given direct statements of equality for every other dream; only one dream world here has a vague statement of being low 2-C/3-C sized. The star rod is stated to be able to grant wishes in other universes if you go by Tippi and Bleck's words, but for the reasons given i definitely disagree with star spirits or the star rod being 2-B.
Agree with the intel upgrade for Wario, neutral for Mario for the reasons given.
Culex being the "inheritor of two" doesn't seem like a justification that he's controlling all time/space. Ruling over all creation doesn't mean too much either. Him being alive across all time seems more like longevity assuming he's even talking about a 2-D universe. Neutral on his tier given the discussion so far.
Megabug is pretty outright low 2-C at worst given the duckery his influence was causing with the clock tower and him gaining the SupaMerge's powers for himself after merging with Spawny so agree.
Agree with the new keys.
I think the lifting strength calc is....very weird to apply to strength since the power stars exhibit gravity manipulation powers (like floating when he reaches them in some stages, let alone manipulating gravity so he floats around said power stars) and don't gravitationally pull Mario (or other Toads) to them on other occassions. Neutral, leaning on disagree.
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Culex is stated as the Master of Space and Time in the guide booklet, page 64 and in the Japanese translation, states that he holds time from its beginning to its end and that he holds the power of creation throughout the Marioverse
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I'm hesistant that the guidebook works as a source given it claims he's from a distant galaxy in mario's world, rather than a different world/dimension like he says in the jap version. kinda weird either way if you treat it as pertaining to something other than his english version.
The japanese translation just says across time he's the inheritor of the ultimate of two, whatever that means.
that's not specifically saying him holding time unless you have a different translation than what the legends of localization say, also just being titled as the master of something like time and space is hardly a showing of relative feats he's done or hierarchical ap dwarfing mario's universe/ a 2-D universe. its pretty vague wording. He hasn't shown space-time manipulation really and it just sounds like a boast that he is just a king like authority for all time of the dimension he hails from.
The japanese translation just says across time he's the inheritor of the ultimate of two, whatever that means.
that's not specifically saying him holding time unless you have a different translation than what the legends of localization say, also just being titled as the master of something like time and space is hardly a showing of relative feats he's done or hierarchical ap dwarfing mario's universe/ a 2-D universe. its pretty vague wording. He hasn't shown space-time manipulation really and it just sounds like a boast that he is just a king like authority for all time of the dimension he hails from.
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Low 2-C base forms is pushing it given countless discussions + absolutely need DRB's approval before making such as massive upgrade.
Infinite speed via destroying the multiverse is indeed iffy, but it seemed more like becoming one with the Void that is something.
And regarding the Dreams, it's a chain reaction for everyone else. But the Star Spirits are clearly the ones actively creating the Dream Worlds by collecting each and every dream. Also, Future Dream isn't some special dream that contains the other Dreams, it's literally just one of many dreams and it alone is Universe sized. Between the description having "Wonders of the Universe" which Universe in context means Wonders of Future Dream. And "Dream of the Universe" means dream about the Universe or Dream Containing the universe. Sweet Dream was called Dream of delicious deserts meaning it's a dream containing sweets and not a dream inside sweets. And Pirate Dream was called Dream of the Seven Seas to mean a dream about the sevens seas and containing it, not within it. So Future Dream having the world Universe clearly makes it a Universe. Plus all Dream Worlds are parallel to each other, so if at least one is a Universe, all of them are universes. Not like a few other verses that has just one Dream called universes and it containing every other dream treated as sub dimensions. Here, the average dimensions are all universes.
Also, he's already working on the other thread and neither thread needs a massive derailment with stuff that's already be discussed, addressed, and rejected countless times.
Infinite speed via destroying the multiverse is indeed iffy, but it seemed more like becoming one with the Void that is something.
And regarding the Dreams, it's a chain reaction for everyone else. But the Star Spirits are clearly the ones actively creating the Dream Worlds by collecting each and every dream. Also, Future Dream isn't some special dream that contains the other Dreams, it's literally just one of many dreams and it alone is Universe sized. Between the description having "Wonders of the Universe" which Universe in context means Wonders of Future Dream. And "Dream of the Universe" means dream about the Universe or Dream Containing the universe. Sweet Dream was called Dream of delicious deserts meaning it's a dream containing sweets and not a dream inside sweets. And Pirate Dream was called Dream of the Seven Seas to mean a dream about the sevens seas and containing it, not within it. So Future Dream having the world Universe clearly makes it a Universe. Plus all Dream Worlds are parallel to each other, so if at least one is a Universe, all of them are universes. Not like a few other verses that has just one Dream called universes and it containing every other dream treated as sub dimensions. Here, the average dimensions are all universes.
Also, he's already working on the other thread and neither thread needs a massive derailment with stuff that's already be discussed, addressed, and rejected countless times.
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