Stop being dishonest, you know exactly that you were implying that makes Li weaker, stop ratting and address the point.
I said Li’s not stronger, stop trying to strawman and putting words in my mouth. And I did address the point, you have yet to refute it. Li’s power
feeds off of and grows stronger based on his anger and hatred. You arguing Li got a lot stronger doesn’t go in line with the way his power works since we know his power grows stronger off his anger, which he was feeling a hell of a lot of in SM1, but has since regretted in SM2. This point can further be supported by how Li’s inner demon, which is the basis for his powers, is both chained up and noticeably damaged in SM2 compared to SM1.
A stronger Li, with more shown hax and abilities. This was proven earlier.
Literally has nothing to do at all with what I said whatsoever. You said Li exhausted Miles, well Peter dominated Kraven who’s superior to Li. The showing is superior, how about you actually address that point instead of regurgitating your talking points.
That’s why I mentioned the second point about lifting strength and him punching back the army, I didn’t ignore anything, I offered another avenue in case you tried to rat, which you did.
No you did, you ignored Li’s ability being a counter. You made it seem like Li was strong enough himself to push off Spider-Man’s tendrils when in actuality it was due to his power being a weakness to venom, not a case for Li scaling to SM like you made it seem. “Another avenue” is a deceptive and dishonest framework being used.
A focus on Peter, and yet it isn’t Peter that does, it’s Venom, and still doesn’t address the numerous people Kraven found interest in who Kraven specifically targeted hoping they could be the one. And despite this, despite your perception of the narrative, Miles hits him with a Venom blast so powerful that Kraven literally out cold, and doesn’t wake up until the Symbiote has changed hosts.
I literally did address the point you’re making about Kraven showing interest in other people. This is yet again another example of you not addressing my arguments and instead dishonestly claiming I haven’t responded to yours. I responded to this point by citing how Kraven may show interest in others (because he’s trying to find a worthy opponent to take his life), but he sees BS Spider-Man as
the one who’s gonna do it. He sees him as “special” compared to the rest. That’s why he says things like “Track the Lizard, the Spider is
mine.” And things like “My final hunt.” When looking at Peter because while he may show interest in the Lizard, he sees more value in symbiote Peter as the one who’s special above all the rest. This point is entirely backed by the narrative of the story.
Miles knocked Kraven out? Cool cool, you know Peter was gonna kill Kraven there right? Kraven got knocked out for a little bit, Peter was gonna knock him out permanently, Miles saved his life. Funny thing though is you try and say Miles’ fight against Kraven doesn’t count cause he was weakened but at the same time wanna argue this point about Miles despite Kraven being put dead to rights by BS Spider-Man. Very hypocritical.
Yeah? Why would he want to get bit? Why does him wanting to not get bit imply inferiority? You’ve shown no argument that Miles would actually be ineffective, despite being toe-to-toe with the very guy who beat him up, while holding back.
Actively running away from an opponent because you’re scared they’re gonna kill you implies inferiority. I can’t believe something as incredibly basic as that has to be spelled out for you to understand.
And yet he also captured Connors, and many others in pursuit of those who he believed worthy, with in the end, Peter wasn’t the one who did, but you were ratting too much to respond to that.
“Track the Lizard. The spider is mine.” Literally ignoring the whole point I just made in favor of just being toxic. Ok buddy.
Actively avoided him, yet Peter told Miles to search for him, Miles dodged him casually, and he offered to join Pete, but you were too dishonest to counter that.
Do you know what the term “dishonesty” means? Or are you literally not reading the arguments I’ve given. You say I’m “too dishonest to counter Miles offering to join Peter”, really? So what’s this:
what it shows, in its most factual and basic sense is Miles choosing not to engage with the a lizard because he’s a dangerous foe to him while Peter clearly overpowers the Lizard. Miles wanting to tag team the lizard with Peter doesn’t demonstrate equivalent strength to Peter singlehandedly dominating the Lizard in physical prowess several times.
You’re just brushing past the point I made entirely. Nothing suggests or proves Miles can single-handedly overpower the lizard like Peter can. Miles wanting to tag team the Lizard with the assistance of Peter does not prove he can single handily overpower the Lizard like Peter did. Only Peter has that showing because he 1v1’d the lizard while Miles’ only showing 1v1 against the lizard is him actively running away from him.
That’s me countering your point about Miles wanting to tag team Peter, explaining how the point is irrelevant to the argument I’m making. You’re just being dishonest about the arguments being made now because you offered no rebuttal.
You have no water on any of your points.
Your problem, is that you’re not actually responding to any of my points. You’re just ignoring the argument entirely to suit your idea. You did this several times in this very post which I point out.
The demon can physically interact when attacking and be non-corporeal when receiving attacks; it's fiction. Your argument from incredulity is meaningless against what everybody can see.
“Argument from incredulity” is not when I ask you to provide proof for your claims lmao. Ever heard of Hitchen’s razor? “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” You have provided no evidence the demon operates on this “physical when attacking, non-physical when receiving” basis and as such, the claim can be dismissed as is.
Do you have evidence for your claims, or are you writing a new script? You're comparing a free man who just wanted Norman to pay and Peter out of the way against a caged animal who tried to escape and realizes killing Miles is the only way he stays alive.
Do I have evidence that Li was fighting with intent to kill against Peter?
Yes, yes I do in fact. Li’s hatred for Osborn was literally the whole basis for him to commit all his atrocities in the first game. That hatred was the thing fueling his inner demon and feeding into his anger, man was a whole supervillain last game, yes he was clearly trying hard enough there to kill Spider-Man. You bring in no evidence Li is trying harder between one interaction over the other, you’re just again spouting headcanon to further your agenda.
Also, Miles was just talking a big game because he was angry. If you don't cherry-pick the one line in the dialogue where Miles responds to Li saying Spider-Man doesn't kill, he states that he wants Li to feel pain. And when he has Li at his mercy, he lets him go.
More like you’re cherry picking which pieces of dialogue you like while dismissing the rest. Miles could’ve just wanted to kill Li but ultimately chose not to when given the actual opportunity. I don’t know why you have to cherry pick which lines you keep and which lines you dismiss when each position can exist simultaneously and there’s no issue. Miles could’ve just wanted to kill Li when fighting him but ultimately decides not to after he entered his head.
If Miles doesn't break his bones using venom strikes, he is at least as durable as the force he puts out. Rhino also doesn't go down with a singular venom strike. I'm also not comparing the Miles that fought Rhino to the Miles nearly a year into the future.
Literally nothing to do with my point whatsoever. I’m responding to your claims. You said you need to be equal to or greater than in strength than Miles’ venom attacks to be able to challenge Miles’ durability. I refute that claim by showing how Rhino who is explicitly weaker than Miles’ venom attacks can and has challenged Miles’ durability. Thereby proving your point wrong.
And you ignore context a lot. If Kraven, who has a stronger immune system than Miles, was affected instantly, what makes you think Miles also wasn't affected instantly just because he later suffered from hallucinogenic effects? Unless you think a 2-inch cut is enough to put Miles to his knees, in which case, boy, do I have a few games worth of feats to show you.
No it’s you who ignores context and is just flat out wrong. Kraven wasn’t affected by Scorpion’s poison instantly, in fact he’s not affected by Scorpion’s poison at all so I have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re just completely wrong because your point is made on an unfounded basis.
I hope you didn't mean that Scorpion cut Miles and Kraven and is therefore, Tier 7 or something, lol.
I mean based on what you said, you must think so since Scorpion clearly challenged their durability there right. He pierces right into Kraven in fact lol.
I was never arguing "Who's more tired" so idc about what you have to say here. Your original point claimed someone said Miles was stronger than BS Peter (nobody said that). You're trying to compare the stamina of an entire symbiote with the stamina of Miles, who doesn't have a symbiote yet performed identical feats.
Well you’re wrong in that. And no, my point was that Miles gets weakened and exhausted by Li while Peter easily dominates Kraven, a superior opponent to Li. That’s not an “identical feat” as Peter has much clear and better showings that Miles does like his performance against the Lizard and his performance against Kraven vs Miles’ performance against Li.
How is it gameplay mechanics when the fight is designed so the only way you can initiate damage is by dropping objects on him? That's called the plot.
No that’s called gameplay mechanics, Peter has shown that he’s capable of knocking Rhino and contending with him in AP, the idea that Peter “can’t do damage to Rhino” only comes from a gameplay mechanic designed in a boss fight. Plot is the actual cutscenes, gameplay mechanics are the design features in boss fights.
Tell me more about the consistency of Rhino harming Miles in this scene when he
clearly ran both Miles and Peter through a giant gas plant
explosion that they both tanked. Tell me more about the consistency of that entire scene when Rhino literally
bounces Miles off the ground and flings him, then
trucks him, and he's fine. Tell me how it makes sense that Rhino KO's Phin after dropping her like 30 feet when
here she dives down 6+ stories at speed and is fine. Do you think outliers are your ally?
Your own links prove my point. Miles literally clutches his side in pain after Rhino slams him in the ground and flings him. Miles then gets slammed by Rhino where he clearly exclaims out in pain from the blow. Just because Miles gets back up after doesn’t mean he wasn’t
harmed. But please, tell me more about how Miles was actually acting there and was just faking being in pain. Or is that video clip that you sent me for the argument you made another outlier too?
He had to use both arms and was dropped to his knees. Clearly overpowered. Not that Peter states Rhino is stronger than him, and he has to fight smart because he's not winning with brute strength or anything.
No, overpowering him would mean pushing through his guard he put up. Overpowering him would be the equivalent of what Miles did to Rhino with his venom strike. Peter dead stopping Rhino’s blow means he scales in AP no matter how much you’d like to deny it. Rhino can also be stronger than Peter but still have Peter scale, just like how Miles’ venom can be stronger than Rhino but Rhino can still scale.
Tell me how an elderly man going no more than 50mph is knocking over an 8-ton mech. Tell me how the plot is gameplay mechanics.
Because Spider-Man was the one who threw him at him. You know, the guy with super strength? Your argument from incredulity is meaningless.
Neither Peter nor Miles would beat Lizard with 0 struggle. Now, what happens when Lizard grabs either one and swims to the bottom of the river? Common sense dictates neither of them would take that fight in the water.
Low-mid diff. Peter low-mid diffs the Lizard. Like legitimately low-mid diffs. The biggest trouble the Lizard gave Peter was from the sound. Otherwise, like if he had the Anti-Venom suit, he had Lizard pinned by the very first round. And that was the time Peter was holding back trying to reason with the Lizard too no less. What happens when Lizard grabs them and drags them to the bottom of the water? Well Peter could just easily break out of Lizard’s grip and overwhelm him with his superior strength so he doesn’t have to worry about that. But since you brought up the argument, clearly you think that’s something Miles has to worry about, so you’re just proving my point that Peter’s showing is superior. Common sense dictates the guy running away from the Lizard isn’t strong enough to overwhelm him compared to the guy the Lizard is running away from.
Still the same symbiote, just with wings.
Venom in Peter’s body is the same symbiote in Harry’s body, but he clearly grows stronger. Venom can and has grown stronger.
There's a thing called a no-limits fallacy. Notice how Venom never gives a damn about Peter's Anti-Venom suit, essentially treating it like it's made of cotton. Meanwhile, Peter feels pain and flinches; all the while, he's only interacting with Li's aura, not even his physical body.
Venom literally has to let go of Peter due to his anti-venom curing his Symbiote tendrils. Li’s aura is the thing the symbiotes are afraid of since it acts as a weakness to them, you’re leaving that big plot point out.