Hasty12345
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I agree with the upgrade, the opposing side just seems like head canon to me atm
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This is starting to get annoying, so I will do one last comment to try and explain this from what I was able to understand.
The Sacred Palace was clearly stated to be able to shift the order of the Gods in the Hierarchy, and was even shown to actually shift the order of the Gods in said Hierarchy, as Lormac already proven.
This obviously means that the users (Ugo, David or Sinbad) are able to shift the order of themself to any point of the Hierarchy, as shown when Ugo became a God above Gods.
It's obvious that they will never say "I am now a 100000000D being" or something like this, because since they are able to shift an entire hierarchy of Gods that is formed by an infinite amount of layers this number wont even matter. You are asking for numbers when there is no need to have any.
By acknowlodging that they are able to shift the Hierarchy of Gods you are also acknowlodging that they are able to become 100000000D, because there are much more than 100000000 Gods and they are able to switch the order of all of them, including obviously themselves.
It was never ever stated that they have any limitation to where they are able to switch, and the fact itself that they are able to shift the Hierarchy is more than enough evidence that they are able to become 100000000+D even without them giving any number.
You are the one that needs to prove that they are able to switch only with Gods a single layer higher than them, since all of the evidences point towards another conclusion.
You disagree with the revision, and this is fine. But if you want to actually disprove the revision you have to actually prove that what the OP is saying is wrong without bringing headcanons or limitations that were never stated.
The Sacred Palace was clearly stated to be able to shift the order of the Gods in the Hierarchy, and was even shown to actually shift the order of the Gods in said Hierarchy, as Lormac already proven.
This obviously means that the users (Ugo, David or Sinbad) are able to shift the order of themself to any point of the Hierarchy, as shown when Ugo became a God above Gods.
It's obvious that they will never say "I am now a 100000000D being" or something like this, because since they are able to shift an entire hierarchy of Gods that is formed by an infinite amount of layers this number wont even matter. You are asking for numbers when there is no need to have any.
By acknowlodging that they are able to shift the Hierarchy of Gods you are also acknowlodging that they are able to become 100000000D, because there are much more than 100000000 Gods and they are able to switch the order of all of them, including obviously themselves.
It was never ever stated that they have any limitation to where they are able to switch, and the fact itself that they are able to shift the Hierarchy is more than enough evidence that they are able to become 100000000+D even without them giving any number.
You are the one that needs to prove that they are able to switch only with Gods a single layer higher than them, since all of the evidences point towards another conclusion.
You disagree with the revision, and this is fine. But if you want to actually disprove the revision you have to actually prove that what the OP is saying is wrong without bringing headcanons or limitations that were never stated.
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I agree for statistics reduction but I'm not agree for the other proposal
There is no indication that Sinbad, David and Ugo can swap places at any point in the hierarchy
Sinbad wanted defeat the gods one by one but if he could can swap places at any point in the hierarchy it wouldn't make sense
Sinbad : "if there is a god, i will surpass him, then ascend even higher and continue to surpass th gods above him FOREVER"
So Sinbad don't can transcend the entire hierachy instantly
Proof here
There is no indication that Sinbad, David and Ugo can swap places at any point in the hierarchy
Sinbad wanted defeat the gods one by one but if he could can swap places at any point in the hierarchy it wouldn't make sense
Sinbad : "if there is a god, i will surpass him, then ascend even higher and continue to surpass th gods above him FOREVER"
So Sinbad don't can transcend the entire hierachy instantly
Proof here
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Pls read this entire thread again because you literally repeat the same thing as what Pain12 said
OP never said SP is used to transcend to higher reality or even entire hierarchy lol, the scan that you use doesn't talk about SP, the context is Sinbad talking about his different magic being used to turn lower world to rukh to ascend layer by layer
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After having bad times reading all of this, I do agree with the thread
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OP says "the trio very powerful on a 1-B scale since they can swap ranks at any point in the hierarchy." but nothing proves that they can
The Sacred Palace is limited by the available Magoi
Sinbad and David didn't seem to jump multiple ranks of the hierarchy during their fight
Swapping ranks can just mean moving one rank to another at a time, there is no indication that they can jump ranks
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What is the difference ?
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I am extremely doubtful regarding the justifications for this upgrade. It seems speculative and NLF-ish to me, especially given Pain_to12's various arguments.
I would appreciate if you could help me with evaluating this thread.
I am extremely doubtful regarding the justifications for this upgrade. It seems speculative and NLF-ish to me, especially given Pain_to12's various arguments.
I would appreciate if you could help me with evaluating this thread.
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The scan only said that they can swap rank of entire hierarchy instead of implying layer by layer
And how is being limited by the available Magoi relevant?
"Didn't seem to jump" so basically this is your own thought
Very cool now give another scan instead of the wrong one like previous pls
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As explained, the doubts are caused by misconceptions in the first place.
Pain was still unable to provide evidences of their claims, so I ask you to be more open-minded.
To the staff members that will check this thread, I ask to read all of the comments without any bias and come to your own conclusions based on the evidences provided, possibly without taking into account headcannons.
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Oh boy.
I'll take a look, but I am not happy about it. As for Thanatos, I believe that is the point of any member taking a look into any thread. However, in turn, I ask that you accept that our conclusions aren't based on headcanon and that we have read the evidence, regardless of what our conclusion is. Aye?
I'll take a look, but I am not happy about it. As for Thanatos, I believe that is the point of any member taking a look into any thread. However, in turn, I ask that you accept that our conclusions aren't based on headcanon and that we have read the evidence, regardless of what our conclusion is. Aye?
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Yes I did
changing the order of the hierarchy can just mean reversing one rank above and one rank below, nothing indicates that Sinbad (or Ugo and David) can change his rank with the 1000th rank above for exemple
what is there to prove that here Sinbad and David are swapping their ranks with much higher ranks?
Saying they can jump ranks sounds like an NLF to me
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Obviously, I will accept whatever choice will be made in the end. As much as I agree with the revision, it's obvious that not everyone have the same opinion on everything, so if you or other users wont agree I wont oppose to anyone.
The important is to have an informed opinion based on the full picture provided and be as open-minded as possible. If those that agree or disagree have read all of the information and formed their opinion based on those, than I obviously have nothing against it, I didn't even thought that I had to specify that.
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I mean Ugo can use SP to swap with Il IIalh and become 6-D god although he is 3-D in the first place, so it's pretty blatant that it's not layer by layer
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Swapping the ranks of the hierarchy does not mean being able to jump several ranks at once
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Yes is true, that's a good point
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I'm inclined to agree with Bambu here; I don't really see how anything beyond 2-B can get interpreted.
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you have been saying this but i am pretty sure any Ugo in the SP is not 3D, 5D with 6D
anyway like i have been hammering no one is saying they cannot rearrange the hierarchy but what the OP is proposing is giving them something they never actually did in the entire series
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wdym, I'm talking about 3-D Ugo who was in Alma Toran, not when he was in SP and after using SP he became tier 1 like what he is currently on profile, which implies that his power didn't reach only one dimension
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The verse is already well into tier 1 with an established 1-B hierarchy of existence. I don’t really see how 2-B is remotely even a topic for discussion here.
PrinceofPein
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cant really remember this tbh
from what i remember he was no longer human when he took SP after solomon death and he used illah power to ascend to divinity.
can you send a scan cause i dont think a human can take control of the palace like ugo said Sinbad was a human and can not take control of the SP
a mistake on his part he probably did not know
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I don't say that human controls SP, I mean his original existence was just same as everyone in Alma Toran so he was 3-D in the first place obviously, also he even had a human key on profile right?
So basically he is a human who becomes god that's above Il Ilah by swapping hierarchy stuff, and becoming 6-D from 3-D means that it's more than one dimension
PrinceofPein
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but from what i think you are inferring i may be wrong you are saying he took control of the SP as human and used it to swap with illah to become 6D which is not how i remember it, as that is the only way it will be relevant here, or can you explain better what you mean?
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I mean he has 6-D power and is above Ilah by using SP according to his explanation to Arba
And we all know that he is 3-D at first
PrinceofPein
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he got control of the SP after he ascended to divinity using illah magoi iirc, not that he got it as human
tbh magi R>F is not entirely solid from so many anti-feat in the series, or rather the entire series is a long chain of anti-feat against the R>F
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He said that he swapped rank via SP to be above Ilah and when Arba asked does he think he is a god or not his answer is yes so yeah, becoming god is most likely the result of using SP
I think it's irrelevant to this topic?
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