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Sonic could easily do something like this.
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Madokami vs Sonic
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How is that gonna help him when Madoka sees it coming?
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I wanna know who's the strongest entity this version of Sonic has gone up against in his world.
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Lol
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The fact that Madoka still has to respond to it, and doesn't resist getting her concept destroyed.Homu Sweet Homu said:
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Madoka can keep UKG at bay despite the latter can very much do what Madoka can do.
So, pretty sure she can respond Sonic accordingly.
So, pretty sure she can respond Sonic accordingly.
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Also, I'm pretty sure UKG herself can make anybody Super Sonic has faced up to this point look like fish bait.
P.S. we need to start a Sonic vs UKG thread real bad
P.S. we need to start a Sonic vs UKG thread real bad
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Sonic also kinda dwarfs UKG on the 2-A scale and that Chaos energy will one-shot her so yeah.
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What makes you think it was a battle of AP?ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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The fact that Chaos energy can destroy concepts.
The gap means Madoka gets one-shotted of course.
The gap means Madoka gets one-shotted of course.
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And Madoka can do that too through superior hax. And the fact she can counter UKG who can do what Sonic can do, but better.
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Here you goDragopentling said:
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UKG is basically Madoka, except she lacks of Concept and has pretty high end Mid-Godly.
Sonic get erased.
Sonic get erased.
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How is AP a factor against someone who has mid godly regen, AKA, they can come back regardless of AP?
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It also helps that Sonic doesn't have to nuke the multiverse to destroy concepts.Homu Sweet Homu said:
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But Madoka concept encompassed both Multiverse and Nonexistent Multiverse, means that she is as big as that.
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Chaos Force encompasses Sonic's multiverse and Mega Man's multiverse. Ancient Walkers were omnipresent across it but still died to Master Mogul hitting their manifestations with a beam of Chaos energy.
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To be fair, weren't they veeeeeeery weakened by that point?
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That was what weakened them in the first place.
Sword of Acorns finished them off, they were already dying.
Sword of Acorns finished them off, they were already dying.
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Whoops. I mixed it up lol.
That said, why isn't that Mogul specific? Again, just curious.
That said, why isn't that Mogul specific? Again, just curious.
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Sonic uses Chaos energy just like Mogul, same thing that was used when Sonic rebooted the multiverse in Worlds Collide.
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Not everyone uses the same energy equally. Krillin can't Hakai because both are ki. Charizard can't use V Create.
Edit: Actually, I think I'm being too much of a stickler this time.
Edit: Actually, I think I'm being too much of a stickler this time.
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Just for the record, Madoka's nigh-omniscience is being aware of everything that happened, everything that is happening, everything that might happen, and everything that will happen.
It can absolutely tell her "dodge the Chaos Energy attacks and kill him fast"
It can absolutely tell her "dodge the Chaos Energy attacks and kill him fast"
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Also the Ancient Walkers being one with the Chaos Force looks a lot like the LoC assistants being one with Madoka.
That isn't equivalent to putting down Madoka with a punch. The Abstract Existence page points out that not all abstractions are the same exactly for cases like these
That isn't equivalent to putting down Madoka with a punch. The Abstract Existence page points out that not all abstractions are the same exactly for cases like these
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It's more like they're one with the CF like how Madoka is one with the LoC, as CF beings are shown to be omnipresent across it.
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No.
Madoka IS the LoC.
Madoka IS the LoC.
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Being one with it = you are it.
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Anyways I gotta sleep. I'll come back to this later.
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-That enormous AP advantage he has. Super Sonic is already unfathomably above a baseline 2-A. Ultra Sonic is unquantifiably stronger than that.
Which does nothing as this isn't an AP battle and Madoka can one shot with hax
-Resistance to conceptual manipulation and law manipulation, two of the most dangerous abilities in Madoka's arsenal, plus having his own.
Fair
-Non-physical interaction with type 1 abstracts using Chaos energy.
I'm with Kal here in saying that they don't look at all like type 1 abstracts, as I also said on the other thread.
-Madoka's holy manipulation will not work as it burns people based on their sins, which doesn't negate durability.
That's like, only one of the passives. Here's the full list as of a month or so ago:
Poison Manipulation, Holy manipulation (destroys you based on your sins, with an absurd level of morality), Fate Manipulation, Invisibility, intangibility, non corporeality, Death manipulation, Magic nullification, limited luck manipulation (she has good luck granted from a mg who wished to win the lottery to save her grandfather's restaurant), power Nullification (Eye-Based, works on beings resistant to power null), absorption, wealth production (yes, because why not?), unaffected by any physical phenomena including time, Curse reversal, territory claiming via spreading rotting moss coupled with a "tremendous" increase in power inside it, precog via konwing all the past, present and future possibilities
As for the fate manip, she has 2 of them
>One from Yachiyo Nanami saying she will be the survivor/survive, which also causes the ones near her to die after a quite long time
>One from Tart which both saved her from certain death (she even died once and lived to tell the tale) and brings her victory. It both boosted her from tier 6 to High 3-A and made her survive fusing with Riz despite her having 0% chance to do so
Sonic. He is absurdly stronger and resists a lot of what Madoka can do.
Except like, 90% of her arsenal. She isn't only law manip and concept manip, she has the power of every magical girl ever on a 2-A scale, and they work wonders on someone who is a 3-D being with 4-D powers
Which does nothing as this isn't an AP battle and Madoka can one shot with hax
-Resistance to conceptual manipulation and law manipulation, two of the most dangerous abilities in Madoka's arsenal, plus having his own.
Fair
-Non-physical interaction with type 1 abstracts using Chaos energy.
I'm with Kal here in saying that they don't look at all like type 1 abstracts, as I also said on the other thread.
-Madoka's holy manipulation will not work as it burns people based on their sins, which doesn't negate durability.
That's like, only one of the passives. Here's the full list as of a month or so ago:
Poison Manipulation, Holy manipulation (destroys you based on your sins, with an absurd level of morality), Fate Manipulation, Invisibility, intangibility, non corporeality, Death manipulation, Magic nullification, limited luck manipulation (she has good luck granted from a mg who wished to win the lottery to save her grandfather's restaurant), power Nullification (Eye-Based, works on beings resistant to power null), absorption, wealth production (yes, because why not?), unaffected by any physical phenomena including time, Curse reversal, territory claiming via spreading rotting moss coupled with a "tremendous" increase in power inside it, precog via konwing all the past, present and future possibilities
As for the fate manip, she has 2 of them
>One from Yachiyo Nanami saying she will be the survivor/survive, which also causes the ones near her to die after a quite long time
>One from Tart which both saved her from certain death (she even died once and lived to tell the tale) and brings her victory. It both boosted her from tier 6 to High 3-A and made her survive fusing with Riz despite her having 0% chance to do so
Sonic. He is absurdly stronger and resists a lot of what Madoka can do.
Except like, 90% of her arsenal. She isn't only law manip and concept manip, she has the power of every magical girl ever on a 2-A scale, and they work wonders on someone who is a 3-D being with 4-D powers
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That title should be changed
Agreed, I got baited easily lol
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I didn't say they're not abstracts, I said they're not type 1 abstracts. I might've missed the part about the avatars, but aside from that everything else qualifies for a type 3 abstract as well. Expecially considering they were killed without destroying the Chaos Force itself which is what they embody afaik
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>The cute madoka pic the OP
I vote madoka based on adorableness alone
I vote madoka based on adorableness alone
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