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Madoka Kaname vs Sasuke Uchiha

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Scaling Sasuke mind hax to itachi's mindhax does not necessarily ring enough accuracy, but then again, we'd kinda have the NLF with Itachi.


But whatever.
 
Nvm my bad. I forgot Sasuke actually had Rinnegan in this key and that the latter was normally far more potent than Sharingan.
 
You do realize that SOSP Naruto and Sasuke have wildly differing ablilities right? That A>B>C logic doesn't work here.

Anyway, I'm not sure that ESP gives you resistance to sensory manp.
 
It is more like how Sasuke sensory manip has never shown to mess with someone with sensing ability on Madoka level. Like even if Madoka is under his illusion, her sensing ability can track something that is located in another dimension. This is like someone with can still Drive on busy road even with VR glasses on.

Besides, the fight starts from 4km away and pretty sure he never put someone under genjutsu from that distance. Nor that he will be able to reach in time when Madoka's spawn her Labyrinth upon unleashing her doppel, which she by default already did.
 
Again thats not how it works.

Saying they won't even look at each others face and start doing their moves from 4km away is a big assumption. No one does that in fiction (almost).
 
Unfortunately, that is how it works.

It is not assumption when:

1) Just upon activated, the character unleashed a personal dimension that covers more than 4km.

2) The character can sense enemy from afar and even from another dimension. Madoka in general, is range fighter and will snipes her enemy.
 
No seriously when has it worked like that, I've geniuenely never heard of that.
 
1) Just upon activated, the character unleashed a personal dimension that covers more than 4km.

What does that Dimension do?

2) The character can sense enemy from afar and even from another dimension. Madoka in general, is range fighter and will snipes her enemy.

Sasuke can do that too.
 
Schnee One said:
No seriously when has it worked like that, I've geniuenely never heard of that.
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It is like when you put on VR Headset and playing game. You only see and hear what VR shows you. But despite that, you can like, go Drive your car on busy road and not crash, while the VR Headset still on your head.

The same can be said to Genjutsu, it shows you illusion, but Magical Girl like Madoka has sensory that can see/sense things that was on different dimension entirely. An illusion shouldn't be when your opponent doesn't rely on their natural sensory.

Magical Girls ESP is borderline Cosmic Awareness tbh. I heard some Bleach characters got CA with the same justification as Puella characters.

Also again, Sasuke never put someone in Genjutsu from 4km away AFAIK, so the Genjutsu is kinda moot point.
 
Slacjow said:
1) Just upon activated, the character unleashed a personal dimension that covers more than 4km.

What does that Dimension do?

2) The character can sense enemy from afar and even from another dimension. Madoka in general, is range fighter and will snipes her enemy.

Sasuke can do that too.
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1) Making the covered area as her territory, which she can use to RW or Absorb her victim

2) What Sasuke can do too?
 
What's stopping Sasuke from sniping with an Amaterasu arrow? Apparently the AP gap is big enough for this to be a win condition, so is there a reason it won't work?
 
No its not a moot point, as soon as he faces her he will use it. And Mind Manipulation doesn't work like how you describe, you will have to make a Wiki wide CRT to make changes. Because what you are telling will basically give anyone with Cross-Dimensional/Multi Universal ESP a resistance to Illusions and other types of mindfuckery.

1) Making the covered area as her territory, which she can use to RW or Absorb her victim

Thats not even a threat, he will just overpower everything she does and destroy her dimension alongside with her via his superior AP, literally one slash from Perfect Susanoo will do it. Or he can just teleport out of her Dimension,its that easy.
 
Slacjow said:
Because what you are telling will basically give anyone with Cross-Dimensional/Multi Universal ESP a resistance to Illusions and other types of mindfuckery.

Thats not even a threat, he will just overpower everything she does and destroy her dimension alongside with her via his superior AP, literally one slash from Perfect Susanoo will do it. Or he can just teleport out of her Dimension,its that easy.
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Depends on how potent the illusion is, it could be both yes and No. Sasuke Illusion has No feat of affecting someone that has sensory on Madoka level. And mindfuckery is entirely different matter.

Perfect Susanoo got turned into cartoonish and got tore apart by RW. That is assuming he survive when sea of black spawn from where he stands.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
Can he do what when sea of black mud suddenly spawn around him and absorb him?
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What's the source of this mud? Is it energy based?
 
Seems like a stomp in Sasukes favor, he outmatches her in AP, can absorb pretty much anything she throws att him and even if he would die (most likely to the random instant death effect) Izanagi would save him.
 
Dai1001 said:
Seems like a stomp in Sasukes favor, he outmatches her in AP, can absorb pretty much anything she throws att him and even if he would die (most likely to the random instant death effect) Izanagi would save him.
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And Madoka can outmatch him with hax, absorbs and tore his body apart with RW before he could even react. And he never ever use Izanagi.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
Dai1001 said:
Seems like a stomp in Sasukes favor, he outmatches her in AP, can absorb pretty much anything she throws att him and even if he would die (most likely to the random instant death effect) Izanagi would save him.
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And Madoka can outmatch him with hax, absorbs and tore his body apart with RW before he could even react. And he never ever use Izanagi.
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Im quite sure anyone with a sharingan can use Izanagi. Along with that speed is equall so no one is blitzing anybody and the instant death hax isn't guaranted to activate.
 
He can protect himself from the mud with Susanoo, deflect all of it with Shinra Tensei, absorb it if he wants (Rinnegan can absorb physical matter created with energy), or just teleport away.
 
It is not blizting when the ability is either passive or thought based. Madoka doesn't even need to move from her spot to kill him.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
It is not blizting when the ability is either passive or thought based. Madoka doesn't even need to move from her spot to kill him.
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How so? The closest to a instant death ability she is a White Light of Salvation which has a short range and im quite sure she needs to shoot with her bow to give Purification a chance to activate. Even so Sasuke can recover from instant death once with Izanagi.
 
Well actually Sasuke can enhance his speed with Shunshin. He can also enhance the speed and power of his Kunai with lightning.

Also it's very in character for him to immediately Genjutsu and seal someone, as he did with the Biju. The range on this is a few kilometers as well.

He can also pull her in closer with Bansho Tenin and impale her with walls of Amaterasu flames or something similar. He can also Susanoo snipe her with his arrows.

He can teleport out of most situations, and can teleport Madoka herself into attacks which he has done multiple times in character.

Of course there's Genjutsu and illusions, which not only manipulate the 5 senses but can also induce sleep, fear, paralysis, and can control actions. Rinnegan Genjutsu is even more potent than MS Genjutsu, which can control people with resistance, such as perfect Jins and Sharingan users, for years without them even knowing they're being controlled.
 
@Slackjow

He is already dead even as soon as the battle started. He has No time to react when the black mud already absorbing him.

@Dai

Those are Magical Girl Madoka. The one that is used here is her Doppel form, which has passive stuffs I mentioned above.

@Uchiha

All those abilities won't matter when he is already dead as soon as the battle begin. He has no time to react being absorbed.
 
You forget that Sasuke has the Sharingan to predict attacks, so he will see the mud coming before it happens and will act upon one of his many long range win conditions. Not to mention that mud can be blown away with Shinra Tensei. Like he has a lot of win conditions that can all be achieved by simply looking at her.
 
Unless Madoka can literally shoot a time arrow with a thought, he should know
 
Schnee One said:
Unless Madoka can literally shoot a time arrow with a thought, he should know
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I'm talking about the sea of black mud that absorbs him. It spawns upon Madoka using her doppel. And since she is already in her doppel state, the black mud should already be there.
 
Someone should make an Notable Attacks/Techniques list for Doppel form, i never saw that in the anime.
 
Is the absorption instantaneous? As in, once he touches the mud he's immediately absorbed, or does take time?

Because if it's not instantaneous then he can still win. He can look at her, and spawn Amaterasu on her. Then he can switch places with the flames to instantly teleport to her and one shot her. Alternatively he could Genjutsu her and order her to undo her attack, but whatever.
 
  • Alternatively he could Genjutsu her and order her to undo her attack*
is mindhax resistance a joke here now? We could also alternatively say that the mindhax doesn't work on Madoka rightaway, either, due to the fact she still has the resistance, even if it's not completely stopping Planet/star level mindhax.
 
Even basic Sharingan Genjutsu can bypass some levels of resistance, MS Sharingan has even better feats, and of course the scaling chain was already established above that Rinnegan Genjutsu is far superior to all of them in potency. So yes her resistance may indeed not matter.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
@Uchiha

The mud is covered an entire Planet, yes it is instaneous.
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No I wasn't talking about the mud, but the absorption itself. How long does it take to absorb someone?
 
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