Madara vs Shiraori (Grace period)

[Ricsi-viragosi]

There was a thread about mind manip, and it was agreed that empathic manip, unless done through feromones, is mind manip.

And orochimaru has fear manip, are you saying he can solo madara?

 

[Rocker1189]

Fear inducement is a subset of mind manipulation because it influences your mind, dude... It really is not hard.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That precognition looks really unimpressive... Like, sasuke had that at twelve.

and would that work on limbo at all?

 

[Konaguna]

No one said anything about pheromones, they simply run away because of her title of [Fear bringer]

It's hax, it affects him unless he has shown resistance

 

[Konaguna]

Fear inducement is a subset of mind manipulation because it influences your mind, dude... It really is not hard.

Fine, give everyone with mindrape resistance also resistance to fear inducement then

 

[Konaguna]

Still no counter to evil eyes -_-

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No one said anything about pheromones, they simply run away because of her title of [Fear bringer]

It's hax, it affects him unless he has shown resistance

Again, thats a subset of mindhax.

 

[Rocker1189]

Fine, give everyone with mindrape resistance also resistance to fear inducement then

They essentianlly already do. It is called mind resistance. Also fear resistance does not mean you can resist mind manipulation. But mind resistance mean you can resist fear manipulation.

 

[Konaguna]

No one has still brought any counters to instant Paralysis and the ability to think way faster, plus multitasking and constant drain of his health along with oneshoting corrosion attack and lots of other hax.

Also this

"Evil Eye of Panic: Strikes Fear into the enemies in her view. The only people that can resist this are Kuro and the Demon King Ariel, meaning that it even works against high grade fear resistance."

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah because that cant happen before she is instantly shut down by mind hax, as far as I remeber from my limited reading they are not instant they are not slow but take a bit of time, Madara just needs to use his mind hax and it is kind of over for her.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Again, limbo. Has she feats of paralyzong stuff in other dimensions?

The second part... What do you not understand about fear manip being mind manip?

 

[Konaguna]

You sound like Shiraori doesn't have tons of hax that she can use before he gets to do anything, and completely ignoring Madaras character, when he doesn't even begin with that, Hell Madara always just pulls out a flashy ninujutus right off the bat. It's not gonna help him win against a load of hax shiraori has

 

[Rocker1189]

You sound like Shiraori doesn't have tons of hax that she can use before he gets to do anything, and completely ignoring Madaras character, when he doesn't even begin with that, Hell Madara always just pulls out a flashy ninujutus right off the bat.

As I have explained that is because everyone knows not to look into his eyes. The very second the raikge forgot he was instantly screwed by genjutsu and speed is equalised they both start at the same time.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You sound like Shiraori doesn't have tons of hax that she can use before he gets to do anything, and completely ignoring Madaras character, when he doesn't even begin with that, Hell Madara always just pulls out a flashy ninujutus right off the bat. It's not gonna help him win against a load of hax shiraori has

What? He always does limbo. There wasnt one fight where he didnt once he got the power to do so!

 

[Konaguna]

Again, limbo. Has she feats of paralyzong stuff in other dimensions?

The second part... What do you not understand about fear manip being mind manip?

Yall like to wank limbo seriously here lmao. Madara uses Limbop when he's in danger or pressured, like when Naruto tagged him with a lava rasengan, or when he almost clubbed his ass with a TSB staff, he never just stands there and waits for limbo do everything except for alive madara which is less cockier than Juubidara considering he was reliant on other abilities

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What? No. He always had them on. They were preocupied wuth clones, but he abused the shit out of it.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yall like to wank limbo seriously here lmao. Madara uses Limbop when he's in danger or pressured, like when Naruto tagged him with a lava rasengan, or when he almost clubbed his ass with a TSB staff, he never just stands there and waits for limbo do everything except for alive madara which is less cockier than Juubidara considering he was reliant on other abilities

I am just wondering if you are even bothering now. Limbo has literally always been fighting with together with Madara every time he had it.

 

[Konaguna]

As I have explained that is because everyone knows not to look into his eyes. The very second the raikge forgot he was instantly screwed by genjutsu and speed is equalised they both start at the same time.

Huh? you act like Shiraori can't paralyse him the very second the match begins, not like she hasn't got like 6 more ocular abilites she can spam at him from the bat

 

[Konaguna]

I am just wondering if you are even bothering now. Limbo has literally always been fighting with together with Madara every time he had it.

You're the one to talk, you literally ignore ever single other ability I haven't listed here because you are either too lazy or ignorant to see them for yourself.

He used limbo when he was under attack from a close range, Shiraori doesn't need to get close to kill him since her eyes will do everything for her.

 

[Rocker1189]

You're the one to talk, you literally ignore ever single other ability I haven't listed here because you are either too lazy or ignorant to see them for yourself.

He used limbo when he was under attack from a close range, Shiraori doesn't need to get close to kill him since her eyes will do everything for her.

He does not need to get close either. Limbo was literally fighting Naruto clones on the ground while he flew to the moon. Is that close range to you?

 

[Konaguna]

With Madara getting paralyzed immediately Limbo can't bypass low godly so I'ts pointless anyway, not to mention Sakura was the one that actually engaged in combat with the limbo clones when Naruot had to come and back her up. Madara isn't gonna send a limbo clone without knowing who hes dealing with, plus Kumoko's appraisal will literally tell her every single ability Madara has, and with accelerated thought, evasion and foresight she can easily bypass ever single one of them. The aprasiisal is just going to tell her he has clones on a separate dimension and that's enough for her to win with all the hax she has

 

[YungManzi]

Just to dead the entire thing about fear manipulation....Madara is immune to normal genjutsu....which includes fear manipulation.

 

[Rocker1189]

With Madara getting paralyzed immediately Limbo can't bypass low godly so I'ts pointless anyway, not to mention Sakura was the one that actually engaged in combat with the limbo clones when Naruot had to come and back her up. Madara isn't gonna send a limbo clone without knowing who hes dealing with, plus Kumoko's appraisal will literally tell her every single ability Madara has, and with accelerated thought, evasion and foresight she can easily bypass ever single one of them. The aprasiisal is just going to tell her he has clones on a separate dimension and that's enough for her to win with all the hax she has

It would tell her he has them, she still can not stop them.

 

[YungManzi]

If we assume limbo can do IT and soul rip....he can get around being immobile.

 

[Konaguna]

It's not like she needs to, she knows who she ahs to take out first and because of her better reaction time she'll strike him first.

Also there are these two abilites that make this even more into Kumoko's favour.

Patience: While the user has MP remaining, no source of damage can reduce them to less than 1 HP.

Wisdom: Allows the user to gain knowledge of everything within their area of perception, up through the information provided by Inspection level one. Adds Auto-mapping and the ability to add markers to targets to be displayed on the map, the ability to appraise information got from Detection, the ability to see the entire skill list, lifts all restrictions on skills one can purchase and adds details to the stats, like separate Attack and Defense stat for each body part, the height of resistance to each element separately or breakdown of speed into endurance, reflexive and instantaneous speed.

 

[Konaguna]

If we assume limbo can do IT and soul rip....he can get around being immobile.

They have no feats of doing any ninjutsu or genjutsu so that's a no

 

[Rocker1189]

Mind hax does not do physical damage so patience is useless.

Wisdom does nothing against limbo since it is not multi-dimensional.

 

[Konaguna]

Still not getting mindhaxed due to Evil eyes instantly paralyzing him and draining his health while we are at it, so Madara will be drained while Kumoko is effortlessly chased around by limbo until Madara is completely dead. gg

 

[Rocker1189]

She cant see limbo so she has nothing to run from even if she knows limbo exists she does not know its direction. The moment it one shots hers even if she comes back to life Madara would be fine again. and use mind hax on her. and she loses gg.

 

[YungManzi]

Even if Madara doesn't start with hax, he will use hax after Kumoko comes back from being one-shot.

 

[Konaguna]

Yeah no, Idaten already makes her faster and accelerated thought plus foresight along with appraisal are too much for madara to handle, he gets paralyzed, pulled back at her and instakilled with Corrosion attack that attacks with the concept of death so Shiraori don't even gotta move and her eyes solo him before he does anything, Limbo is useless if they can't catch her due to her speed being increased by Idaten

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah no, Idaten already makes her faster and accelerated thought plus foresight along with appraisal are too much for madara to handle, he gets paralyzed, pulled back at her and instakilled with Corrosion attack that attacks with the concept of death so Shiraori don't even gotta move and her eyes solo him before he does anything, Limbo is useless if they can't catch her due to her speed being increased by Idate

You do know that body flicker increases speed too. She would not even run if she does nto know what she is running from not that it matters when they can just come from behind she would just run into them. And...

This is just going in circles whatever you think what you think I do the same.

 

[Konaguna]

I never saw Limbo clones ever forming up a strategy on their own so that's a nope, I already told you wisdom tells her everything about him, she can completely conceal her presence so that makes Limbo useless, unless you have scans of Limbo bypassing something like that. She has several eyes that can all act simultaneously, she has oneshotting moves and tons of hax he isn't resistant to.

Madara can't do anything, Shiraori already has the advantage of squeezing all there is to know about him, her eyes are superior to whatever dojutsu he has, because she needs one look and can do it faster as well, she has low godly, which Madara isn't even aware of since no one in Naruto has it anyway.

 

[AstralKing7]

lol we need to revise SOSP and SPC users cause they all are resistant to paralaysis. Forgot about the Mew vs Momoshiki thread, it just reminded me that we need to add it to their pages

 

[AstralKing7]

lol faster than madara...someone who can use shunshin and has pre cog naw lmao

 

[Rocker1189]

I never saw Limbo clones ever forming up a strategy on their own so that's a nope, I already told you wisdom tells her everything about him, she can completely conceal her presence so that makes Limbo useless, unless you have scans of Limbo bypassing something like that. She has several eyes that can all act simultaneously, she has oneshotting moves and tons of hax he isn't resistant to.
Madara can't do anything, Shiraori already has the advantage of squeezing all there is to know about him, her eyes are superior to whatever dojutsu he has, because she needs one look, she has low godly, which Madara isn't even aware of since no one in Naruto has it anyway.

Literally everythign you said but maybe a couple is wrong but again have given up on arguing since no neither one of us would agree.

 

[Konaguna]

Madara's precog is shit, Ocular precog in Naruto is in general weak since it goes off muscle movement, whiel Shiraori doesn't even need to move lmao

 

[AstralKing7]

oh she will be moving once madara starts to attack

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Madara's precog is shit

Can see how people concentrate energy and in wich place,can sense danger just like Naruto,has precog of Sharingan,of curse it is shit compared to for exampe Yhwach,but not every character.

 

[YungManzi]

Whoa....I just read some of Kumoko's hax....goddam!! She might actually hax stomp Madara depending on how she starts her fights.