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You seem to be new here, so let me clarify this for you. Just because an ability doesn’t say Limited or Minor, that doesn’t mean it’s limitless. The ability can only be used to a degree that the character has been shown to use it.
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Luffy vs Raditz
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They aren't stronger? But theyre def stronger than Luffy. If they didn't scale to at least a degree, any punch from a dude even half as strong as Raditz would obliterfuck his internals.
His reality warping is negligible.
Are you real?
I'm honestly baffled. YOU are the reason all my CRT's take like a year because I have to spend like five months wording shit super exact so people don't twist the shit out of the most obvious stuff.
Because they kept his body, they make it explicitly clear his ass was going to hell or purgatory to be reborn and he did to much evil shit to get the same blessing as Goku. Vegeta lucked out because he was to STRONG to be reborn, they kept him as a safety net.
Godernet
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yeahhh, if Raditz is currently almost 60x stronger than Luffy's strongest attack with any attack he feels like throwing, Luffy's already at a major disadvantage.
Adv Buso has also never been the type of dura neg to completely negate all conventional durability the way something like spatial manip might do, so while Luffy might be able to make Raditz take some damage I don't think it's as reliable a wincon as Raditz hitting him with any attack once.
Even with Adv Kenbun, is it really more reliable for Luffy to beat Raditz with barrages of attacks before Raditz hits him one time?
This isn't even mentioning G5's time limit which leaves Luffy incap for a while afterward.
tho tbf he can fight through it a bit when he's pushing for a win like with Kaido.
tho also tbf Raditz isn't gonna just sit there and let him use G5 again if he depowers for a second like Kaido did.
I'm probably leaning Raditz for now.
Adv Buso has also never been the type of dura neg to completely negate all conventional durability the way something like spatial manip might do, so while Luffy might be able to make Raditz take some damage I don't think it's as reliable a wincon as Raditz hitting him with any attack once.
Even with Adv Kenbun, is it really more reliable for Luffy to beat Raditz with barrages of attacks before Raditz hits him one time?
This isn't even mentioning G5's time limit which leaves Luffy incap for a while afterward.
tho tbf he can fight through it a bit when he's pushing for a win like with Kaido.
tho also tbf Raditz isn't gonna just sit there and let him use G5 again if he depowers for a second like Kaido did.
I'm probably leaning Raditz for now.
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If it's like that, why bother have the limited/minor specification? Also it says on his profile that he can turn his imagination into reality, so would work on anyone that doesn't have resistance to reality warping
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Limited is for things with major caveats, can only be used in specific contexts, actual drawbacks, etc.
Minor is for actually minor shit like Star Platinum having minor heat manip because he can generate friction a lil bit.
Luffy has the ability, it doesn't have caveats and it isn't super minor, but, it's STILL limited to the shit it can do. he isn't reality warping universes, rewriting the laws of reality, etc. He can't do the same shit as say, Galactus does with his reality warping, not every ability is the same.
This is no different than how Prof X's mind manip is obviously way tf better compared to a Drowzee's mind manip or some shit.
ReaperAndBlues
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Because there is such thing as NLF, claiming that Luffy can do absolutely anything with his powers when we have not seem all the shit he can pull off with it. He isn't Gremmy Thornmeaux where he can just imagine people out of existence, and even with Gremmy he has his own set of limitations and drawbacks to his power, as well as things that aren't proven that he can do with them (which could also be chalked up to the fact that he's dumb af).
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As an fyi, Luffy's AP is like 60x below Raditz.
His dura, is actually lower, like 130x.
This is what happened to a dude who got grazed by a casual attack that's like 100x above Luffy's dura.
His dura, is actually lower, like 130x.
This is what happened to a dude who got grazed by a casual attack that's like 100x above Luffy's dura.
MountainWine
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Base Luffy’s AP: 67.2 Exatons
Base Raditz’s AP: >66.46 Zettatons
Raditz’s AP is nearly 1,000x Luffy’s in their base form
Base Raditz’s AP: >66.46 Zettatons
Raditz’s AP is nearly 1,000x Luffy’s in their base form
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Because assuming he can do literally anything with the power without him being shown to have that capability would be a No Limits Fallacy, which isn’t allowed on this site.
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Is this a joke or something? Raditz casually solos the entirety of One piece single handedly, let alone anyone in the Saiyan saga. Honestly, tier 5 One piece is one of the most absurd things I've witnessed. Anyways, I vote Raditz via much superior stats, Luffy is essentially a haxless brick, he can't do much here
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Like, I agree Luffy gets obliterfucked by a casual flex from Raditz, but credit where it's due, he does have decent utility, a handful of neat abilities, and useful powers that make him a bit of a menace in his ballpark and calcs be calcs, it is what it is.
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Even if they weren't tier five you can make a solid argument Law alone would smack Raditz in a direct 1v1. Especially with unequal speed.
Like, don't get crazy here lol.
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But yeah as for this match, Raditz simply hitting Luffy with one(1) ki blast and vaporizing him seems like the most likely outcome, regardless of how long that would take. Voting him FRA.
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Yet those abilities are not shown to be applicable in a way that directly harms the opponent. Still, Raditz could still flex his aura before luffy does a thing, well, literally any punch of Raditz can kill Luffy, and Luffy is not the one that uses his Hax as the first move
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raditz FRA
and db xters have actually shown feats suggesting that their insides are also durable, recoome was forced to eat his own mouth blast which blew up inside him after krillin kicked his mouth shut, he was just fine
and db xters have actually shown feats suggesting that their insides are also durable, recoome was forced to eat his own mouth blast which blew up inside him after krillin kicked his mouth shut, he was just fine
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Radish FRA.
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Isn't how it works you can use reality warp to effect anyone unless they have resistance to it? Like biology manip or sealing
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Except Luffy's reality warping isn't that good to begin with? Who gives a shit if Raditz would be effected? It isn't like he can poof him out of existence or do anything that would prevent or change Raditz from annihilating him by looking at him funny.
Worst part is I'm like, pretty sure he needs to get up close to do that anyway, which is just asking to be flexed into dust.
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So you are saying Luffy lacks the imagination to warp him out of existence?
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If that's a yes, then Luffy would just go use his buso and explode Raditz's insides
Hasty12345
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Show panels of Luffy warping something out of existence
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Literally he's just showing the faults in the profile all he's doing is taking everything luffy's profile says at face value
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I don't think it's the profile's fault that he can't understand how feats and NLF work.
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Maybe we shouldn't write quotes into profiles that would be a NLF if people took it seriously.
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A quote is a quote. This is like complaining if a dude's quote is "I'm ******' invincible!", even though he's only 7-B and lacks invulnerability like Sundowner. Should we remove Kira's SHA "Has no weakness" quote because it actually does?
No, it's called literally just use your brain. The actual ability section is what's supposed to be taken at face value, as that's the part that actually EXPLAINS what shit does.
Arkenis
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Yeah Luffy does lack the imagination to warp him out of existence.
ReaperAndBlues
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It's not even sighted as a quote, that's literally what it says under his reality warping in powers and abilitys.
Arkenis
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All it says is "Can turn his imagination into reality" this doesn't mean Luffy's imagination can be whatever we think is possible, it's whatever he's shown to do so far.
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Fam he's saying luffys Reality warping/toon force has only been shown to do stuff like rubberize, pull a bat out of nowhere, put his scars back on etc. So you can't claim he can do INSANE doctor strange or scarlet witch levels of Reality manip because he needs feats on that level
Just because a hax dosen't say limited dosen't mean it can do EVERYTHING other Reality warpers have shown
DivineAura44
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Allat reality warping and Luffy still lacks the imagination to make himself Pirate King. Wallahi, he's cooked 
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Allat reality warping and Luffy still lacks the imagination to make himself Pirate King. Wallahi, he's cooked
I mean, Raditz is like if Ace died and then it was revealed he worked for Eustass Kid.
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