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As Chariot said, that is the Saiyan's 9 to 5 job, its a basic understanding
Weak ass toon force and luck, and a speed amp that aint going to help for shit? Suuuuuuure.
NLF to the extreme here, dont have to say why
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Luffy vs Raditz
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Idk who even is that, dont bring up random unpopular characters. Not NLF if the ability isn't listed as Limited or Minor
Raditz*
Who even are those
His environment and Kaido
Not even a first move + supernatural luck
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nuh uh
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It still is mate. Also, "random unpopular character" and its a Marvel Comics Herald, lmao.
Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan, the largest mech in anime, and Batman
Didn't make em weak though
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Get the hell out of here if you're going to have the maturity of a Kindergartner
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No it isn't. I don't read marvel
Batman doesn't have reality warp? he's a normal human
Kaido literally can't do anything to him
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You only keep repeating the same points which I already have countered before
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Dude his basic not trying "get off me" ki attacks eclipse mountains.
I wasn't aware a major Marvel character known for reality warping was unpopular. I can, and will, your argument bad, it don't work, it wank. Luffy's reality warping sucks.
No, that isn't how this shit works. Hate to break it to you but ANY ABILITY IS DEFINED BY WHAT THEY'VE DONE. Luffy isn't rewriting the laws of reality on a outerversal scale just because it isn't "limited".
I didn't even spell his name wrong what.
You don't know a recent hyper popular DC character or one of the most famous mecha of all time?
And it didn't even do shit for Kaido, you think it's gonna work on Raditz?
Enviroment is legit case and point.
Literally any ki blast of his has enough AOE to end the fight instantly.
His luck doesn't work like you think it does. He isn't the dude from dangonronpa or other dude's who just win fights off luck.
It doesn't. Luck is dogshit, toon force doesn't prevent his ass getting beat, speed amp literally just makes him AROUND Raditz' speed. Raditz opening his palm is also quicker than Luffy doing complex actions.
I don't gotta do shit, it's shown to be limited to what it's done or within reason. It isn't a catch all free ending reality warping. Why doesn't Luffy just imagine his ass winning every fight? Imagine his foes dropping dead? Imagine himself as the pirate king and with the one piece? Not how this works.
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Boo hoo, that's your own problem
Preparation, it just works
He still pushed Luffy down to an extreme diff fight, what are you on
More like stonewalled because you can't understand these points. That aint countering at all, it just means you're blind.
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Take it easy man he joined last week he may not know what NLF means
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The Monkey FRA
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Anyway I change stance Raditz FRA
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I don't think you read much of anything at this point if you don't know major popular characters like this or think Luffy's reality warping is a free ticket to do whatever
Ignoring he isn't and is classified as a meta human in canon and also has a bunch of reality warping tech
This dude
Yeah, for every reason besides what Raditz has going for him.
He def does my dude, that ain't a VSBW term, that's just a actual term. No WAY someone's ass is on VSBW and doesn't know words like hyperbole, outlier, NLF, etc.Take it easy man he joined last week he may not know what NLF means
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Nice Flowery language your talking with
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What's stopping Luffy from just... turning the ground intro rubber and shooting the ki blast back in the air? Luffy has much higher LS than Raditz so the LS of his rubber/elasticity should do the job.
Also, Luffy is far faster than Raditz and can see several seconds into the future so any hope of him doing that without getting throwing and swung across the country and/or getting turned into a jumprope is gone.
Luffy is also highly resistant to blunt force which should help in taking any physical attacks from Raditz if need be.
Also, Luffy is far faster than Raditz and can see several seconds into the future so any hope of him doing that without getting throwing and swung across the country and/or getting turned into a jumprope is gone.
Luffy is also highly resistant to blunt force which should help in taking any physical attacks from Raditz if need be.
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Show me Luffy deflecting an attack like a thousand times stronger than him. LS has nothing to do with anything here.
They're literally both Rel. In fact Raditz starts off quicker.
Dude, Raditz is like a THOUSAND TIMES stronger.
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Luffy can just do this to grab the Ki blast to redirect it back to Raditz
- Non-Physical Interaction (Gear 5th's ability to rubberize objects can make intangible matter such as lightning grabable)
You said Luffy seeing his own death when I'm correcting you that it's actually Raditz's
Obviously since Raditz has no resistance to reality warping. Heck Luffy can just imagine Zeno into a weak rubber if he wants
His luck isn't listed as limited/minor again
Not Raditz's first move
He can if he wants but he the people he fights with Gear 5 are not pure evil like Raditz is. "What matters is the journey, not the end goal"
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LS has everything to do with it, as its based on the stretchiness and elasticity of the rubber.
SBA states that it's the strongest versions. Luffy is FTL.
Where does his AP scale
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Luffy’s NPI doesn’t cover Ki
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And die trying?
You are not ready for cool comebacks
NLF
NLF
NLF and Kaido was definitely pure evil yet that didn't happen
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OP listed Luffy's key not in the original post, but in one of the messages here. Raid arc key iirc?
60 times Luffy's. At base.
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Tried succesfully and gg Raditz
My comebacks aren't cool but they are better than what you guys can come up with
Not listed as limitied/Minor
Kaido isn't pure evil, he's misunderstood
- Kaido is shown to have genuine respect and honor for his enemies who can fight him in fairness and sees anyone who using underhanded tactics or cheating to make him win a battle as morally wrong when he hates interference. The punishment for those daring to interfere his fights, will be killed by Kaido himself by smashing them with his mace.
- He expresses disgust when Kurozumi Higurashi deceived Kozuki Oden during his battle against Kaido by impersonating Kozuki Momonosuke and punished the "old hag" by killing her as well he apologized to Oden that they didn't have a great battle due to Higurashi's interference. Despite of him hating Oden and considered him as an "idiot lord", Kaido does respect him as one of the six legendary pirates who are capable of truly challenging him.
- During his battle against Luffy, Kaido killed the CP0 agent, Guernica, by smashing him with his mace, for pushing Luffy towards his attack seeing the Guernica's move as dishonorable similar to his battle against Oden 20 years ago.
- When Luffy (now awakened) returned to face him, Kaido was genuinely overjoyed to see Luffy alive and hearty, telling him he would never have accepted winning like that when he apologies to Luffy for Guernica's interference and called the CP0 agent as an "idiot".
- He respects Luffy's newly awakening powers when he called it ridiculous but also figured out it is a Zoan type fruit. He is glad to hear Luffy is still a big mouth when he explained the true nature of "Awakening". During his defeat, Kaido acknowledged Luffy as "Joy Boy".
- He is shown to be on good terms with higher-ranking pirates within his pirate crew. He allowed Jack to rest up from his battle against the Scabbards and congratulates him on his efforts against the enemy who was stronger. He also rescued Alber from being experimented on by the World Government and offered him to join his crew as well giving him the name as King. Flashbacks also show that he had heart-to-heart conversation with King and was respectful to him.
- After Big Mom's defeat, Kaido reminisces about a positive moment with Big Mom. He tears up when thinking about her stating that he knew her for a long time and cannot believe she was defeated by Eustass Kid and Trafalgar Law, while also commenting on their shared goal of getting the One Piece.
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That's strange.
Luffys blunt force resistance has feats against greater gaps so he should be fine to withstand at least a few. He's far faster anyways so that's not really a concern in the first place.
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He would LITERALLY DIE doing that
Luffy gets vaporized on contact
I like, don't think I need to show you every time Luffy HAS done that, and the end result is that not letting him just one shot, do I?
Luffy literally can't even HURT him.
Uhm hmm opinion discarded.
Show me one instance where Luffy's luck has done anything meaningful mid fight.
So we're just repeating stuff now.
No he LITERALLY can't. Also most of the dudes he's fought are WORSE compared to Raditz. Raditz just had dogshit upbringing.
No, it doesn't, at all. Raditz' ki attacks have planet level forces behind them, Raditz' LS means jack shit here.
That just makes shit worse, half his speed amps aren't even viable if we start with him at his best,
******* planet level what?
Luffy's peak is 1.38 Zettatons, Raditz is like, literally curbing dudes who are 66.46zt, as a Oozaru he's literally over 600x stronger than Luffy, normally he's curbing dudes who are 60x Luffy.
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Not with a 60× gap in AP with ki blasts that can encompass mountains with their explosions
Try again
Still NLF if it aint have the showing, its seriously not that hard to understand
Whole load of nothing, he's evil as ****
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Ki literally vaporizes less gaps than that.
Being faster enables him to dodge against an attack that can light up the planet if so much as wills it?
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I feel like a factor to consider is that they're both going to start knowing each other's strength level. Raditz's go-to move is likely just going to be scanning Luffy with his Scouter, and once he sees Luffy isn't worth shit he's gonna start messing around in the same way he did with Piccolo or the random farmer he met. "Planet wiping" won't even be on Raditz's mind, why would he bother against fodder?
Meanwhile, Luffy is going to IMMEDIATELY realize that Raditz is out of his league due to observation haki, and will likely go into his strongest forms from the start. Which is going to give him an ABSURD speed advantage. On top of this...what's stopping Luffy from repeatedly burning his insides with Red Hawk, or using emission to create explosions directly inside Raditz's body? He's got more forms of dura neg than his rubber stuff.
Meanwhile, Luffy is going to IMMEDIATELY realize that Raditz is out of his league due to observation haki, and will likely go into his strongest forms from the start. Which is going to give him an ABSURD speed advantage. On top of this...what's stopping Luffy from repeatedly burning his insides with Red Hawk, or using emission to create explosions directly inside Raditz's body? He's got more forms of dura neg than his rubber stuff.
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It dose not matter how stretchy it is if it's attacked hard enough to atomize it
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SBA refers to his lastest key. He starts in base.
Ill respond to the rest when I'm not on my phone.
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No he doesn't
What?
Luffy via busho has dura neg attacks, can explode inside people's internal organs
- Durability Negation and Explosion Manipulation (Can force energy inside of opponents and objects, which produces explosions inside of their body[46])
Not me but you
Tell me one OP char who is morally worse than Raditz
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Ok I do have to admit if op has made anything clear luffy's page should probably have more explanation on how his reality warping and luck work because technically everything they've argued is 100% ok by the page alone. In technically, by the letter of the rules were supposed to use the page... because of that I think technically everything he said is legit and we need a revision to make.the page more clear
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The farmer he killed instantly?
Apparently Luffy starts at his peak, which, speed equal so.....
The fact Raditz is like almost 100x stronger than him? If Raditz' internals didn't at least somewhat scale, any attack from Goku or Piccolo wouldve killed him.
Mhm yep I love cherry picking.
Except, wrong.
"Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version."
It isn't key, but rather whatever form of them has the highest tiering. Which means, Luffy starts in, ya know, whatever form is his strongest
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Version here is talking about the keys aka luffy with an amp is the same version of himself as with out it, so he dose start in base"Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version."
It isn't key, but rather whatever form of them has the highest tiering. Which means, Luffy starts in, ya know, whatever form is his strongest
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Gaps dont matter here
No need as it's enough to outscale your comebacks
Still not classified as limitied/minor
Args I gave prove that Kaido is a misunderstood char and has good personality. He's way better in morals than Raditz
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Yes he does, he's almost 100x weaker, ki has evaporating and destructive properyies as soon as the gap becomes like 2x.
You like, do know what ki does right?
Thank god internal attacks are the literal worst type of duraneg and is more like dura mitigation given every character ever has internals that scale somewhat relative to their externals otherwise literally any punch ever would kill them
Post it.
Goddamn right, the fact that "yeha luffy gets one shot by a dude who cripples dudes almost 100x above luffy while not even trying and also has huge **** off AOE and-" is even an argument is asinine.
******* Teach.
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The confidence you had in typing this lmao. It said "recent version," which obviously points to it talking about keys in chronological order rather than amps/transformations.
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**** it, I'm making a CRT to appease lil bro and have the wording changed on the most blatantly obvious reality warping limitations known to man just because someone can't differentiate and use common sense
""Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version."
It does not say key, it simply says whatever is the highest tier. Luffy's strongest tier, is Gear 5, not base.
Also I didn't type that, I legit just copy pasted it, guess whoever wrote the actual SBA page had some confidence ig.
Except, that isn't what it says lil bro.
""Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version."
It does not say key, it simply says whatever is the highest tier. Luffy's strongest tier, is Gear 5, not base.
Also I didn't type that, I legit just copy pasted it, guess whoever wrote the actual SBA page had some confidence ig.
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Yes they ******* do?????
Try again
Are you blind or what? Just because its not classified as limited or minor doesn't mean it hasn't any weakness or limit. We go by what Luffy has shown to do, and he hasn't done 99% of the shit you're trying to bring up.
Hes still evil as shit.
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