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Never said he'd knocke her out, Conqueror's haki creates shockwaves that are strong eonugh to poof her
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So is something not a stomp if it relies on an opponent acting OOC?The Calaca said:If the wincon exists even if the character is not bloodlusted, then it's because they can do it. Not doing so because in-character style says no it's not an argument to prove a stomp.
How else do you think Yang vs Dio and giorno was considered fair?Moritzva said:So is something not a stomp if it relies on an opponent acting OOC?
There is a difference between not leading with something and flat-out not using something or ever showing doing anything like that in canon, ever.The Calaca said:@Moritvza
Gilgamesh has the hax power to win lots of matches, but he's so arrogant that he won't use it right off the bat, giving his opponents plenty of time to defeat him. That doesn't make his matches a stomp.
Luffy cant knock people out? Because i know for a fact he can.The Calaca said:And I'm telling you that he doesn't. Shanks is the only user known to date who's capable of exerting physical force with his Haki. Luffy can't do this and he uses his Haki regularly now.
Could you answer the question, though?The Calaca said:@Moritzva The Battlefield is in an oxygenated area in space and Peridot has a method to trap Luffy. For someone with Genius Intelligence, throwing a human to outer space would be a natural conclusion.
Im talkig about him using haki to knock her out which he 100% would do if he were rendered immobilized by soething he couldnt muscle his way out ofThe Calaca said:@Weekly I'm talking about using an aura outburst that could poof Peridot.
Right, but if it relies on a character being OOC and doing something they've never done, is it a stomp or no?The Calaca said:If it's a plausible wincon, it's not even if it's not in-character. If she's able to do so but she doesn't use it, then that's his fault in the fight situation.
Stomp is defined as a situation where one character holds no wincons because none of them would directly work on the opponent no matter what.
That's not how Conqueror's work. You either pass out or not. It directly affects the mind of people and being lower tier doesnt mean you don't resist it. As long as one has enough willpowerWeeklyBattles said:Im talkig about him using haki to knock her out which he 100% would do if he were rendered immobilized by soething he couldnt muscle his way out ofThe Calaca said:@Weekly I'm talking about using an aura outburst that could poof Peridot.
Okay, so if it's a wincon for a character to act OOC. So is The Emperor of Mankind offing himself, despite being OOC, fair grounds for matches with him to not be a stomp?The Calaca said:@Mori No, it's a wincon regardless.
If by some infinitely unlikely chance that she manages to catch him in a tractor beam he uses haki and knocks her outThe Calaca said:What changed besides you knowing how it works now? What's the difference?
Wiki's Strongest contender for a reason. Dude's ******* scary.The Calaca said:I don't know him.
I have no stake in this matchup, but this argument is tremendously flawed.Moritzva said:Okay, so if it's a wincon for a character to act OOC. So is The Emperor of Mankind offing himself, despite being OOC, fair grounds for matches with him to not be a stomp?The Calaca said:@Mori No, it's a wincon regardless.
1. Fair enough, though the example stands.MrKingOfNegativity said:I have no stake in this matchup, but this argument is tremendously flawed.Moritzva said:Okay, so if it's a wincon for a character to act OOC. So is The Emperor of Mankind offing himself, despite being OOC, fair grounds for matches with him to not be a stomp?The Calaca said:@Mori No, it's a wincon regardless.
1. You picked a character who is, by and large, immortal to the point that he really only has one way to actually kill himself even if he wants to.
2. Why would something that's OOC for a character be a wincon for their opponent?
3. As far as I can tell, hurling Luffy into space in order to beat him is not nearly as far-fetched (and frankly, stupid) a scenario as someone like the Emperor killing themselves in the middle of a fight for absolutely no reason.
4. The Emperor has more ways to instantly kill 90% of his opponents than either of these two characters combined, and most if not all of them are nigh-impossible to avoid.
If it can be argued how likely Peridot is to do that, that's fine. And if there are additional reasons, that's also cool.Paulo.junior.969 said:Throwing him into space wouldn't be that likely under normal circumstances, but this fight literally already takes place in space, it's literally right there, and Peridot is smart enough to use that to her advantage.
There's also the fact that if Peridot manages to avoid being struck by Luffy for long enough (since running away and avoiding direct conflicts as much as possible is prefectly in character for her), Gear 4th would run out, granting Peridot the speed advantage and rendering Luffy unable to use Haki for 10 minutes, Haki being something he is heavily relying on here.