Lucius Zogratis vs Reid Astrea

[Robo432343]

SBA
Speed =

 

[MrTayman616]

Reid absurdly cuts any of his soul magic and stuff and beheads him.

I don't know about how his time magic works though.

 

[Joshyyy_64]

time stop gg

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

time stop gg

SBA means Reid is automatically out of range for that (All of his time stuff except Chrono Anastasis is less than 1 KM in range while they would start 4 KM away from each other) so Lucius has to teleport into range to trap him in a time bubble or freeze time in that wider building sized bubble he used on Asta

Meanwhile Reid just has to predict where he'll show up to and prime a slash in that direction to win

So ultimatesly it depends on if you think Reids Analytical Prediction can win out against Lucius' divination

 

[Joshyyy_64]

SBA means Reid is automatically out of range for that (All of his time stuff except Chrono Anastasis is less than 1 KM in range while they would start 4 KM away from each other) so Lucius has to teleport into range to trap him in a time bubble or freeze time in that wider building sized bubble he used on Asta

Meanwhile Reid just has to predict where he'll show up to and prime a slash in that direction to win

So ultimatesly it depends on if you think Reids Analytical Prediction can win out against Lucius' divination

Doesn't matter. Lucius can peer into the future - he's not getting slashed. Reid doesn't seem to have any sort of future sight, even resistance to time manipulation. I see absolutely no way he can avoid an omni-directional mana zone attack.

Lucius also starts with that move whenever he's in range of his opponent most times before his opponent has noticed.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Doesn't matter. Lucius can peer into the future - he's not getting slashed. Reid doesn't seem to have any sort of future sight, even resistance to time manipulation.

I literally said word for word that Lucious has future sight... Did you even read anything I wrote?

Reid as Analytical Prediction which will work just fine on Lucius & his attacks

• Analytical Prediction (As the Sword Saint, like Theresia, he can predict his opponent's future attacks[32] from the stance they take, from where their eyes are trained, and from the very air that hangs above them, and can see, read, and feel paths of hostility[32] raining down upon him. Sword Saints see a floating white ray of battle that they need only trace with their blade to unquestionably kill their opponent.[32] He is unfathomably superior to Emilia who dodged a rain of arrows faster than her eyes could track by reading the shooters' intent.[33] Far superior to Old Wilhelm who, invisible or not, can anticipate his opponents attacks[8] by watching the movement of their eyes, feeling their hostility, reading how they breathe as they aim. He is superior to Cecilus, who is constantly aware of everything in his surroundings, analyzing other's physical abilities, conduct, and sounds,[26] to always have a grasp the positions of everyone and everything nearby. Unfathomably superior to Roswaal, who when faced with an invisible attack, cast out of sync with the caster's gaze and breathing, all with a feint attack added for good measure,[34] easily pinpointed and neutralized it)

I see absolutely no way he can avoid an omni-directional mana zone attack. Lucius also starts with that move whenever he's in range of his opponent most times before his opponent has noticed.

All of Lucious's magic (which would include teleportation, manazone etc. except chrono anastasis which he won't use at the start of a fight) is ranged at hundreds of meters the fight starts 4 kilometers apart which Reid has the range to breach while Lucious doesn't meaning to do literally anything he has to teleport into range of Reid first but even his teleportation which is part of his magic, at least based off what's on his profile doesn't have the range to let him get there instantly so he will have the teleport multiple times to get in range to use any of his abilities -

Range: At least Hundreds of Meters with magic; Thousands of Kilometers with Chrono Anastasis

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

If Lucius' profile was up to date, that would be a blow to him, d

Lucius just activates the demon king's presence and Reid turns into tomato paste

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If Lucius' profile was up to date, that would be a blow to him, d

Lucius just activates the demon king's presence and Reid turns into tomato paste

not sure what you are yapping about but Reid also has his own aura that can make someone fall down and almost die, even though the same person can stand in the prescence of 7 witches while a single one could instantly turn everybody around them insane and have them kill themselves

• Aura (Overwhelming & Fear Inducing; Without exuding any pressure, merely standing still,[4] his existence gives off the same presence as a Witch, which causes extreme fear,[15] effecting people even after they overcome the initial fear,[15] and causes others to vomit,[15] completely overwhelming them.[16] By merely smiling with killing intent, others around him experience overwhelming terror,[4] to the degree that they would outright die from the power in his eyes alone. Superior to Cecilus, who has an aura of swordsmanship that causes extreme fear.[17] Fighting spirit can cause those around to feel like their skin is on fire,[18] and makes it feel as if the surroundings is shaking[19])

Anyways, Emilia can keep up with ley while he teleports and Reid is unfathombly superior so he predicts where he is going to teleport
Btw, i am pretty sure Reid could just cut the time magic too since Regulus's time stop also wouldnt be enough to stop him from beheading him

 

[Robo432343]

both have 0 aura

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

not sure what you are yapping about but Reid also has his own aura that can make someone fall down and almost die, even though the same person can stand in the prescence of 7 witches while a single one could instantly turn everybody around them insane and have them kill themselves

Gravity class Z+ AP + powernull + NPI/CM + 11 km

Anyways, Emilia can keep up with ley while he teleports and Reid is unfathombly superior so he predicts where he is going to teleport
Btw, i am pretty sure Reid could just cut the time magic too since Regulus's time stop also wouldnt be enough to stop him from beheading him

Lucius's thing is preparation, I hardly see him getting into hand-to-hand combat here he just sees thousands of futures and anticipates and nullifies anything that Reid nullifies

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

both have 0 aura

Yes, BC hax CRTs are cursed to never finish and be forgotten in limbo.

 

[Vietthai96]

Reid as Analytical Prediction which will work just fine on Lucius & his attacks

From the look of it, Reid need to see thing, and feel the air, etc..... SBA make them 4KM away, unless his eyes can clearly see every detail on Lucius appearabce at 4KM, he not going to predict Lucius. And from Lucius profile, he can literally see future so Reid is actually in a disadvantage

 

[Zabazab]

unless his eyes can clearly see every detail on Lucius appearabce at 4KM

He's stated to have superior eyesight to a character who can snipe people with pinpoint accuracy, without a scope, from multiple kilometers away.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

From the look of it, Reid need to see thing, and feel the air, etc..... SBA make them 4KM away, unless his eyes can clearly see every detail on Lucius appearabce at 4KM, he not going to predict Lucius. And from Lucius profile, he can literally see future so Reid is actually in a disadvantage

Depends entirely on which one you're talking about because through scaling to others he seems to have multiple means of analytical prediction, some of which do not require sight but even at that his profile literally says he can see that far

• Enhanced Senses (His eyesight is superior to Shaula's, who can see people from kilometers away[30] with pinpoint accuracy)

 

[Vietthai96]

Oke, but there is still Precog from Lucius. Seriously Lucius profile look.......eh

 

[Robo432343]

how good is lucius's precog
coz reid>>>>precog in re zero

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Oke, but there is still Precog from Lucius. Seriously Lucius profile look.......eh

Yeah I know that's why the first thing I said in the thread was that:

"So ultimatesly it depends on if you think Reids Analytical Prediction can win out against Lucius' divination"

Also yeah, Lucious' profile is as of now, complete garbage. Tbh I don't even think he should be used in Vs matches until someone fixes it.

 

[Deceived3596]

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[Robo432343]

'waiting for the series to end before making further revisions' just for an MFTL downgrade thread to get accepted

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

how good is lucius's precog
coz reid>>>>precog in re zero

It's 2-B he sees thousands of possible worlds and prepares for the fight 20 years in advance

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It's 2-B he sees thousands of possible worlds and prepares for the fight 20 years in advance

need scan for it to be 2B, Reid meanwhile perception boosts himself and can run hundreds of millions of iterations, also does any of Lucius's attacks need to be landed to actually affect Reid?

 

[Robo432343]

it says on Lucius profile he can see into the future of more than 20 000 alternate words

 

[MrTayman616]

it says on Lucius profile he can see into the future of more than 20 000 alternate words

So he sees how he loses against Reid more than 20 000 times?

 

[Robo432343]

So he sees how he loses against Reid more than 20 000 times?

idk

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

need scan for it to be 2B, Reid meanwhile perception boosts himself and can run hundreds of millions of iterations, also does any of Lucius's attacks need to be landed to actually affect Reid?

The precog range is 2-B, he prepares for each of the thousands of possibilities 20 years before it happens, and as I said above he has access to gravity magic,which allows him to use the presence of the demon king which is a gravity aura with 11 km, class Z, powernull , which already ends any chance of victory for Reid who is class T in LS

 

[MrTayman616]

The precog range is 2-B, he prepares for each of the thousands of possibilities 20 years before it happens, and as I said above he has access to gravity magic,which allows him to use the presence of the demon king which is a gravity aura with 11 km, class Z, powernull

Reid cuts the aura.

 

[Robo432343]

Reid cuts the aura.

aura might be passive

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Reid cuts the aura.

He's not even raising the sword inside the aura, and it doesn't travel, it just instantly crushes everything in an area of 11 km.

 

[MrTayman616]

aura might be passive

bet he still cuts it :d

 

[Huesito88]

'waiting for the series to end before making further revisions' just for an MFTL downgrade thread to get accepted

And you totally should've, we could've had Reid vs Lucius Speed UNEQUALIZED

 

[MrTayman616]

He's not even raising the sword inside the aura, and it doesn't travel, it just instantly crushes everything in an area of 11 km.

Instantly? or is it magic style? if so, even if the process is not visible to the eye, he should be able to at least cut where it'll affect him.

 

[Robo432343]

And you totally should've, we could've had Reid vs Lucius Speed UNEQUALIZED

 

[Robo432343]

bet he still cuts it :d

you cant cut aura if its passive
you will be too late
(i dont think its passive tho)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

you cant cut aura if its passive
you will be too late
(i dont think its passive tho)

well.....

That which is slashed down by the notion of the "sword" will never forget the truth of having been slashed down for eternity.[5

 

[MrTayman616]

you cant cut aura if its passive
you will be too late
(i dont think its passive tho)

Reid doesn't care. he cuts it and aura stops existing with the user. he cuts the concept of aura.

 

[Robo432343]

Reid doesn't care. he cuts it and aura stops existing with the user. he cuts the concept of aura.

he can cut aura sure but not if its passive

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

It's not passive, it's based on the movement of a finger, Lucius just has to point down for instant effect.

 

[Robo432343]

i thought lucius starts with time hax

which one is it
time hax or LS crush

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

i thought lucius starts with time hax

which one is it
time hax or LS crush

He starts with precog+ preparation, and yes he starts with time hax in short distance but they are 4 km away here

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Either way i dont see him being able to do anything before Reid just...swings his sword for a 10,000km wide AoE EE, CM spatial slash