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Why wouldn't it be the other way? This will simply mean the game ETSO is condraicted
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Low 2-C Naruto Removal (These Profiles Suck Ass Edition)
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Because they are different realities lol Marvel in DC they have that problem because of multiple alternative realities and they scale to different values if we were to go the same way Suoerman would scale the same as his DCEU counterpart and so everything else would be outlier.
In the game the visuals are way more destructive we would have to scale to the game because they have the more calc possibilities.
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How are they somewhat in a different reality? Both anime/manga events are the same as the game as it show us the same events that happen in the naruto series. Different realities=/= not having different abilites. Both dragon ball and dragon ball heroes are both different reality yet they use time travel with time machines. If it shown they have same ability than the anime and manga than we shouldn't really be using basless points that it would be an outlier as there many fictional verse with alternative reality who still uses the same ability. Nothing has been address here tbh. Good day
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We do that tho. Here on vsbw, we do.
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I'm going to preface this response with the fact that I'm not going to address the separate time-space scans since I never disagreed with them innately. My argument is contingent on two premises.
1. These dimensions aren't universal in size, which is a requirement for Low 2-C.
2. There isn't enough evidence to assume Kaguya was going to destroy most of, if not the entirety of her dimensions
These dimensions having a separate space-time from the main naruto universe wouldn’t address these premises. So with that made clear, I'll now address why the arguments proposed by Rana aren’t good defeaters to my arguments.
Scan in reference:
While it’s possible that “inter dimensional” could reference “parallel universe”, it’s not the common definition of what the word implies, nor would it be the most likely interpretation when provided with context.
This scan, and more specifically this statement is in reference to the battle between Kaguya and Crew, in which Kaguya was constantly traveling through and between her different alternative dimensions. It’s more likely that when the statement references “inter dimensional” they are referencing the fact they’re traveling between different alternative dimensions during their fight, not that these alternative dimensions are parallel universes.
Also “alternative dimensions” and “parallel universes” aren’t considered the same thing, especially on the wiki. Alternative Dimension, by definition of the word, doesn’t inherently imply a level of scope or size, while Parallel Universe does. Just because something is called an “alternative dimension” it doesn’t mean we consider it universal in size without further context. Kaguya’s dimensions don’t have this further context.
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There’s a multitude of unneeded assumptions you’re making just to argue for the existence of these dimensions being universal in size when the evidence itself has more probable explanations.
You’re assuming that these red-hue structures are in-fact redshifts, and since they’re redshifts, they must act like how redshifts act within our world.
The problem with that assumption is that you’re assuming these, in the first place, are redshifts when that’s never explicitly or implicitly stated. It’s because they exist in the space and have a red-hue to them you’re assuming these are redshifts, which requires more leaps in logic since:
You can have the Doppler Effect and Redshifting exist without the need of the dimension in question being universal in size, those are not prerequisites.
It’s because of these reasons that I don't agree these are redshifting objects, it’s more assumptive to assume they’re, and even if we agree that they’re redshifting, it doesn’t mean we would assume all properties true, like the continued expanse of a universe.
I’ve basically addressed the blueshifting/redshifting argument above, so I’m not going to address that again.
While it could be its own universe(s), the actual likelihood of that being true is extremely low given everything I’ve seen, it wouldn’t even qualify for a possibly rating in my opinion since the evidence isn’t reliable or notable, it’s just purely based off of assumptions which aren’t exactly supported, and require more leaps to assume true compared to my position.
Scan in reference:
It wouldn’t be consistent since that scan in specific is referencing the entire Naruto “universe” in which the game takes place in, it isn’t in reference to anything in relation to Kaguya’s dimensions. Just because it uses the term “universe” doesn’t mean, when in reference to Kaguya’s dimensions, we would assume that “inter dimensional” would more likely mean a parallel universe compared to alternative dimensions or traveling between different spaces. That’s pure nonsense.
4-A is fine, 3-C i don’t agree with and Low 2-C is pure speculation and headcannony, even as a possible rating.
That literally means nothing, shinobi history isn’t a universal constant, it’s in clear reference to the planet that shinobi live on, it’s the planet that the actions, cultures, cities, societies etc. of shinobi were born and continue to happen on, these mfs aren’t on that Samurai 8 grindset bruh.
1. These dimensions aren't universal in size, which is a requirement for Low 2-C.
2. There isn't enough evidence to assume Kaguya was going to destroy most of, if not the entirety of her dimensions
These dimensions having a separate space-time from the main naruto universe wouldn’t address these premises. So with that made clear, I'll now address why the arguments proposed by Rana aren’t good defeaters to my arguments.
Scan in reference:
While it’s possible that “inter dimensional” could reference “parallel universe”, it’s not the common definition of what the word implies, nor would it be the most likely interpretation when provided with context.
This scan, and more specifically this statement is in reference to the battle between Kaguya and Crew, in which Kaguya was constantly traveling through and between her different alternative dimensions. It’s more likely that when the statement references “inter dimensional” they are referencing the fact they’re traveling between different alternative dimensions during their fight, not that these alternative dimensions are parallel universes.
Also “alternative dimensions” and “parallel universes” aren’t considered the same thing, especially on the wiki. Alternative Dimension, by definition of the word, doesn’t inherently imply a level of scope or size, while Parallel Universe does. Just because something is called an “alternative dimension” it doesn’t mean we consider it universal in size without further context. Kaguya’s dimensions don’t have this further context.
Scans in reference:
There’s a multitude of unneeded assumptions you’re making just to argue for the existence of these dimensions being universal in size when the evidence itself has more probable explanations.
You’re assuming that these red-hue structures are in-fact redshifts, and since they’re redshifts, they must act like how redshifts act within our world.
The problem with that assumption is that you’re assuming these, in the first place, are redshifts when that’s never explicitly or implicitly stated. It’s because they exist in the space and have a red-hue to them you’re assuming these are redshifts, which requires more leaps in logic since:
- An object having a “red-hue” to them doesn’t mean said object has that “red-hue” through the Doppler effect, especially within a fictional setting.
- Redshifts happen when objects, like stars or nebulas, are far away from our view, to the point that the object in question has its wavelength increased while its frequency and photonic energy decreased, causing the change in coloration. We, by sheer limits of our sight, can't see the reddish-hue of redshifts because of the distance of these objects to our range of sight. It’s functionally impossible, we would need things like telescopes to actually see the redshifts happening, but since we’re capable of seeing these supposed “redshifts” with our baseline eyesight, it calls into question if these are actually redshifting objects or just structures with a reddish-hue for artistic effect, as it backdrops well with the blueish-purple background of Kaguya's dimensions.
You can have the Doppler Effect and Redshifting exist without the need of the dimension in question being universal in size, those are not prerequisites.
It’s because of these reasons that I don't agree these are redshifting objects, it’s more assumptive to assume they’re, and even if we agree that they’re redshifting, it doesn’t mean we would assume all properties true, like the continued expanse of a universe.
I’ve basically addressed the blueshifting/redshifting argument above, so I’m not going to address that again.
While it could be its own universe(s), the actual likelihood of that being true is extremely low given everything I’ve seen, it wouldn’t even qualify for a possibly rating in my opinion since the evidence isn’t reliable or notable, it’s just purely based off of assumptions which aren’t exactly supported, and require more leaps to assume true compared to my position.
Scan in reference:
It wouldn’t be consistent since that scan in specific is referencing the entire Naruto “universe” in which the game takes place in, it isn’t in reference to anything in relation to Kaguya’s dimensions. Just because it uses the term “universe” doesn’t mean, when in reference to Kaguya’s dimensions, we would assume that “inter dimensional” would more likely mean a parallel universe compared to alternative dimensions or traveling between different spaces. That’s pure nonsense.
4-A is fine, 3-C i don’t agree with and Low 2-C is pure speculation and headcannony, even as a possible rating.
That literally means nothing, shinobi history isn’t a universal constant, it’s in clear reference to the planet that shinobi live on, it’s the planet that the actions, cultures, cities, societies etc. of shinobi were born and continue to happen on, these mfs aren’t on that Samurai 8 grindset bruh.
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Again you are basically tryint to make manga canon for games so the opposite should be truth too. The games also provide information about abilities, whatever the game says about them is the information we are given thats what we use
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@CraigTucker I know it's filthy rich coming from me, but don't use the N word in any circumstance on-site or on the forum, even if it's a video that you yourself aren't saying. This is technically still FANDOM-affiliated, and them peeps really don't like that kinda thing.
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I am not making manga canon to the games but anyways the games already shown they still use the same abilities from the manga and anime. Also the guidebooks does this as well however been condraicted so many countless times and the abilities in the game debunk it as well. Ah another way of saying is "LETS IGNORE CONTEXT AND JUST USE STATEMENTS OF THE GAME"
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Oh oof than sorry you can delete it
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Already did so, just commit no crimes in the future. Might want to invest stock in finding a replacement phrase. "Bruh" works, as does "YOU ******* TWO-LEGGED POODLE", though admittedly that's mostly from my experience.
Anyway, that's my job done. Toodles.
Anyway, that's my job done. Toodles.
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Thats exacly what you are doing, the abilities in the game are multiple times different from what the manga show, the games including have many abilities that the manga doesnt.
Just because you dont like the way it is portrayed? Even if the game's sky doesnt show galaxies it doesnt debunk it being a Universe.
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Deceived’s post really wraps it up super nicely. And just to add on to the redshift point. The reason irl we can distinguish between when an object is being redshifted is because we know about the object itself. That isn’t the case here, in fact said object could just be emitting light in optically “red” zone. We have objects like that irl anyhow.
Furthermore, even if the objects were redshifted (implying some spatial expansion) that doesn’t prove the space is universal in size. The space could be in the midst of expanding while also being much smaller than a universe.
Furthermore, even if the objects were redshifted (implying some spatial expansion) that doesn’t prove the space is universal in size. The space could be in the midst of expanding while also being much smaller than a universe.
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The game have shown the same abilitities in the mang/anime: kamui warp space, kaguya open portals and warp space, Minato kuni teloports similar to the manga/ anime. These abilities are the same from both series.
If the game doesn't show it has a galaxy and no statement supporting it and only has stars in it than there is no point of assuming that it would be a universe dimension because there should be celestial bodies for it to be a universe.
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Ask any knowledgeable mod about our tiering system and they'll tell you that something being stated to be an "alternative dimension" doesn't necessarily equate to that thing being a "parallel universe" for the exact reasoning i provided (and probably a couple more reasons that i didn't bring up as well)
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Anyways waiting for more people to agree or more staff to pull up 
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It doesnt matter if they look alike, you know MCU and DCEU made up their own explanations for the same abilities they have in the comics we cant assume it works the same way just because they look alike or have the same name.
For what i saw there are multiple statements for universal as said before in this thread. Not that this matter lack of evidence is not a debunk, not showing galaxies doesnt contradict it being a universe thats my point.
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There's definitely not multiple statements of Kaguya's dimensions being universal in size.
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May not contradict it but it sure doesn't help prove it's universal in size. The evidence is rather weak for it.
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Jesus the all mighty of all religion. If they are shown to function the same way than I don't see anything different, same goes for you as well this is really going over a tangent
Again this doesn't really help yall in any sense and those arguments were debunk because the hole argument is just saying "err its time space so by fault is a universe"
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Can't rn maybe someone else will do it
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Evidences for it being Universal size:
1- Stated to be a alternate Dimensions.
2- Stated to be a inter dimensional.
3- A visual that shows starry sky (many/countless stars)
Has been explained in detail here;
Aight so first of all
Y’all talking shit about me on discord huh
Second of all
Mecha Naruto does have his own profile. It’s linked in his Revolution key. As for his key for being in Mecha-Naruto’s body, I noticed Ginyu had a key for being in a Namekian Frog’s body even though it had no relevancy to the story. Naruto being in Mecha-Naruto’s body plays a role in the story during the tournament.
Now for the meat and balls of the CRT
I’ll just say this, I kind of knew this was gonna happen since I didn’t add all the scans in Naruto’s profile that I used in the CRT which got Low 2-C accepted in the first. Mainly because I didn’t know in what context to add them. So instead of linking the old CRT, I’ll just paste the Uni+ stuff here.
(Top right) Kaguya’s ninjutsu is referred to as a Space Time Ninjutsu.
(Top right) Battles in Space. The battle also uses the term ‘inter dimensional’ which according to the dictionary could mean either;
1. existing or traveling between dimensions of space or time
2. (in science fiction, fantasy, etc.) coming from an alternate dimension or a parallel universe
Databook references Kakashi vs Kaguya inside Kaguya’s dimension, and that Kakashi is cutting through time and space. To cut through time and space, logically, time and space should be present, which imply that Kaguya’s dimension is just that.
Size of Kaguya’s Dimension.
We see numerous stars and nebulae in her dimension. But there could be more to this. We see various redshifts in her dimensions (implies universal expansion like our own), and even a blueshift, which could imply a collision course with another galaxy similar to the Andromeda and Milky Way Galaxy (not stars, since we already see stars). So not only do they appear and have same properties as a universe with red and blueshifts, but along with statements of it being separate space-times due to only being able to move there by jumping through space and time, and requiring space-time ninjutsu. It could be its own universe.
If we go with the parallel universe definition for the inter dimensional statement, it would be consistent with this scan that uses the term “universe” when talking about where the action takes place in.
This could easily go from 4-A (starry sky and nebulae), 3-C (blueshift) to even Low 2-C (redshifts and space-time) based on how we interpret the size of her dimension.
The rest is on you guys for what this would qualify as. Zetsu states that the ETSB is the end of Shinobi history if that means anything.
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Did you read my counter arguments to Rana's counter arguments?, just asking for clarity sake.
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Its not a tangent the wiki doesnt accept "crossover" of information.Jesus the all mighty of all religion. If they are shown to function the same way than I don't see anything different, same goes for you as well this is really going over a tangent
The argument is being a parallel dimension or universe and another space time, if you like to cross information there are multiple threads trying to up Naruto to low 2-C over multiple statements of being universal in the manga canon.
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I’ve seen them but didn’t read, I just don’t think “alternate dimensions” statements is enough for a rating that high.
I always thought this was bullshit and the profiles were in a poor state, made for the sake of having Tier 2 Naruto.
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Crossover can have somewhat a canon but I am to lazy to explain.
Another space time in kaguya dimension isn't a universe but more of a mere small pocket dimension I already explain this. Yet those were closed because it has been address countless time
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I think you meant to say agree since the thread is proposing the downgrade.
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Sorry, but I didn't find it in English, so this is the only one I have, but it mentions that the dimensions are the universe there.
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Put scans in portuguese
Only brazilians can read
"Uh but i can only read English"
don't care + COPE
Evidence gatekeeped like a boss
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Love how the portugese scans got addressed +cope harder naruto is 5-A
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I know what it says : p
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