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Doesn't make any much difference tbf
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Low 2-C Mario: In The Final
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If you argument is that they were attacks coming from a 4-A person, when they aren't, yes it does.
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Game mechanics,and even then,they mainly effects the karts not the racers
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Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, so you're against any form of low 2-C Mario including the varies compromise?
And yes (I'm tired I've keep having to say this) using explicit game mechanics is indeed a derail, since its not an argument.
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I didn't want to create a snowball effect, but my point was that stuff like "4-A wooden barrel" are mostly things made by us to explain things and game mechanics must not be used to hide under the carpet 99% of every game just to not contradict the interpretation we have of a bunch of cutscenes taken from many, different, unrelated games.
Like many have said, Mario isn't a shonen and doesn't have set rules and a continuity, it's a versatile figure that can fit everywhere and the developers care to make a colored world and a fun game, where the plot serves more as a function (barring some games) more than create a powerful galaxy buster and a complex system of power levels, universal energy system, lore and scaling etc...
This is the reason why I think a varies tier should be considered, then how to outline and set each "level" of this tier is another can of worms.
Like many have said, Mario isn't a shonen and doesn't have set rules and a continuity, it's a versatile figure that can fit everywhere and the developers care to make a colored world and a fun game, where the plot serves more as a function (barring some games) more than create a powerful galaxy buster and a complex system of power levels, universal energy system, lore and scaling etc...
This is the reason why I think a varies tier should be considered, then how to outline and set each "level" of this tier is another can of worms.
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Definitely disagree with a varies tier based on Mario getting hurt by spikes and wooden barrels n shit. Every video game character has Tier 9 anti-feats during gameplay, unless there's a game where the character just bulldozes through the levels and isn't affected by stage hazards.
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I am fine with a varies. I agree that Mario reaches Low 2-C (or higher) at his peak, I just don't think it's his usual power level.
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The topic is low 2-C. The downgrade side is derailing using game mechanics.
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As much as I'd like to see a Tier 2 Mario I'm not sure if a "Varies, up to Low 2-C" can work at this point considering every Low 2-C feat was scrutinized to death and the majority of staff here disagree with them.
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I'd like to not being labeled as a dishonest who wants to downgrade the verse by saying false things, especially after I explained myself three times exaclty to avoid that, since these topics always end bad for everyone involved. (and it already happened more than one time only in this one).
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There's way more arguments than that. I'm just using this to argue that his peak is also below 4-A. Don't try and use this to illegitimize other arguments.
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Exactly. Scrutinized. Black Jewel for example would have zero issue if it were some light or visual novel.
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Ok. Lemme get it straight. Staff has no reason to have more weight on the decision. They regulate the conversation.
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Agreed, but mostly in the sense of calling out everyone.
The reason I don't like the FRA'ing is because it gives anyone a chance to tip the scales despite having shown zero contribution to the thread itself. When it does come time to get this over with, it seems best to me for the debaters to have the final say in what goes down (whether they agree or disagree).
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Any Low 2-C level is not going to happen. You guys wanted pure Low 2-C, now the argument is "Varies up to Low 2-C" and that is not going to happen either because the feats are being questioned and rejected.
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There was also...
-Surface area in tier 2
-Universe creation not scaling to power
-Playable characters being hurt by final boss being game mechanics
-Bottomless Pits and fodder enemies being used as legitimate reasons for disagreement
-Assumption that characters used powers to protect themselves even though nothing said they did.
And yet people are saying that this side is throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks... idk about you but I find this very hypocritical.
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I'm glad you have decided these are the rules now.
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I don't think having surface area for low 2-C as an argument is a truth
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That’s the point, Star
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This ain't a rule. This is a logical fact. Staff are to regulate the discussion. Case closed.
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Cal, make an argument that doesn't involve pointing at the neighbor's grass challenge. All you're doing is complaining that other series have higher ratings.
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You know what, I was trying to come up with a potential solution for both sides, but it seems like that isn't gonna happen. And It's only becoming worse, it being called "dishonest tactics" and all. So I give up, gl on the thread.
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Yeah right, to make judgements. They probably aren't biased, but this doesn't suddenly lift their arguments.
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My respect for trying, mate
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Complaining about the unfair staff in every single post is a non-essential activity. I will ask you to stop.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night
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I'm saying you're unfair. I'm saying we shouldn't just count the amount of staff agreeing and nothing else.
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Eeeeem.... What?
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If it’s such a problem then you should’ve stopped me from saying things like that five years ago when that was the crux of my arguments. Also...prove me wrong then.
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Neither of those are arguments. Like, they're not even bad arguments, they're just not
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Tbh I don't blame you, I've tried being reasonable and kept the middle ground as well as reminding folks to not bring up other verses into this debacle not to mention pointing out the clear hypocrisy but this ad nauseam status quo for any popular verse's major CRT is just ridiculous!
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You realize not every post I make is an argument, right?
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This is truly "My dad is stronger than your dad!" mentality. Shut up about everything that is not Mario.
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Fair enough.
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Actually, when has Matthew disproven all of the Low 2-C feats? I am checking this thread and it looks like he only really disproved 1-2 if we cut him some slack.
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Yeah and his black jewel argument was hilariously awful, so only 1.
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