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exactly my point....Except that dudes who powers up or transform to the point of having another tier have entirely new keys. Not a good equivalence here (also bringing Dragon Ball doesn't matter much, it's Saint Seiya we're talking about).
A statement sometimes saying one thing, sometimes the other or some characters doing and stating two different tier of power consistently is pretty much what a likely rating is for imo.
The English translation:る。サガの「ギャ ラクシアンエクス プロージョン」と 同じく、銀河開闢 の力に匹敵するほ どの威力を持つ。
Like the saga's "Galaxian Explosion," it has power comparable to the power of galaxy opening..
I found this regarding Shaka
The original text I think says:
The English translation:
There is no reference to a power comparable to the Big Bang
I can get started todayOkay. No problem.
It's not stop using the French TranslationThis was brought up before. But Tenma Kofuku is still being stated = to Galaxian Explosion which is still stated to be equal to Photon Burst.
i'll fix it..It's not stop using the French Translation
Even without the 1 or 2 scansThank you for the information. Should the statistics be revised again then?
im going to fix all the tier 3 stuff and i do have another CRT Planned for other beings in the verse such as God ClothsWait so is high 3-A higher than low 2-C? Excluding seiya the wiki has the bronze saints with their god cloths at high 3-A but low 2-C with their bronze cloths so is high 3-A higher than low 2-C or was it always like that and I haven't realized?
hey Matt i found something interesting regarding Aries Mu.It's not stop using the French Translation
"MILHARES DE LUZES ENVOLVEM O ALVO, E QUANDO ELES DESAPARECEM ELES LEVAM COM ELES TUDO O QUE ELES TOCAREM. É UMA TÉCNICA EFICAZ, MESMO EM ALVOS NÃO FİSICOS, COMO QUANDO MU ELIMINA OS OUTROS MUNDOS CRIADOS POR IAPETO.
THOUSANDS OF LIGHTS INVOLVE THE TARGET, AND WHEN THEY DISAPPEAR THEY TAKE WITH THEM EVERYTHING THAT THEY TOUCH. IT IS AN EFFECTIVE TECHNIQUE, EVEN IN NON-PHYSICAL TARGETS, AS WHEN MU ELIMINATES THE OTHER WORLDS CREATED BY IAPETO." [1]
Should we get rid of it as a justification and replace it with something likeYes but Iapetus does that after he unlocked his Dunamis, his feat in Chapter 12 is a lot more ambiguous.
Ooohhh okay! I misunderstood a lot of things here lolNo I think interpreting it as a universe it's fine. It's called an "Alternate World" over and over in the guidebook. I'm just saying that the very blatant scene where Iapetus takes the Gold Saints to his home universe and then destroys it happens after he unlocks Dunamis.
its literally stated in the LN.....So I just checked the japanese translations, turns out no, there's no universe being created by Iapeto, nor is GE ever called comparable to the big bang.
And the seal the Titans are under, it basically makes it so they think they are using their full power but they actually aren't, so there's no universe level Golds.
its literally stated in the LN.....
The titan's aren't the only evidence
and could you show proof of your findings?
"power to destroy an reshape the universe"
"gold saints who could secretly destroy the universe"
here Saga has the power to destroy spacetime continuums:
Shaka and Shimejima endlessly destroy countless universes:
I mean, some are right here, which makes my search kinda useless now.
-Iapetos said he created a "alternate world", meaning a different dimension of unknow size.
-Iapetos said Mu's cosmos was like a galaxy, not a universe.
Relevant panel being the bottom right one, Iapetos says 銀河 / ぎんが which is galaxy, not universe.
-GE has been called galxy level like 50 times trough the whole franchise.
-Titans literally don't know what they are talking about because of Mnemosyne seal
-GE=Tenma Kofuku, also stated galaxy level.
-All Big Bang comparisons refer to Cosmos as a whole, the explosion of the inner universe meaning all Cosmo is the power of the Big Bang.
-The only exception is Photon Burst that is said to compare to a Big Bang in power, then inmediately contradicted by also being compared to GE and TK, which are just Galaxy Level, and stated to be top tier gold power.
-Athena Exclamation just overkilling Shaka, being called too powerful for golds, and cheap for being something done by 3 GS, in the original manga.
-Aioria having Zeus thunder as a power up for end of G feats.
-Saga only fough the ghost of an already nerfed Chronos and was incapable of doing any damage to it until he used the golden dagger.
So it's like one universe level statement vs every other statement and feat trough the whole franchise going for galaxy level.
Why are you leaving out context and scans?
The Galaxian Encloypedia calls Photon Burst having the power of the Big Bang not just once but multiple times. NO, THIS IS NOT REFERING TO COSMO! The wording is very specifically talking about its Attack Potency.
Your argument further falls apart when we start taking into consideration scaling. Galaxian Explosion = Photon Burst
Saga even stated within the series himself that Photon Burst is equal to his Galaxian Explosion.
Your argument even falls apart further when you look at the statement that the 7th sense is comparable to the big bang that gave birth to the primordial universe.
This flawed. Your "it has been stated galaxy level 50 times" Falls apart because
1.) It can be calc'ed. A galaxy-spanning omnidirectional blast just apply inverse square law 4*(1.4e33 cc * 5.4e13 j/cc)*((4.73037×10^20)/(6.957×10^8))^2 = 1.4e71 J (Multi-Galaxy level)
2.) The statements of "galaxy level" later get contradicted as it gets pluralized into "Galaxies" meaning more than 1
3.) Scaling further prove Universal/Low 2-C
4.) Feats and Scaling are >>>>>>>>>> Statements
What are you talking about here?
Unfortunately, this arguments falls apart because
1.) Seiya's punches are stated to have created a big bang. Not his cosmo
2.) The 7th sense in the light novel is stated to have power equal to the creation of the primordial Universe
3.) Sorry but Galaxian Encloypedia says the attack potency of Photon Burst is equal to the big bang. Which power scaling can be done from there.
4.) Hyoga was able to escape the Ice Coffin which not even the combined power of several gold saints can break.
5.) Gold Saints are stated to be capable of destroying the Universe
6.) Aries Shion statement was about the Attack potency of what he is doing. It was a statement about his power not his cosmo.
Where is this statement of Athena Excalamtion being too powerful? From what I have seen they don't say that at all, but instead they reinforce the idea of Universal/Low 2-C Gold Saints.
Again you are wrong! Why are you trying to distort and manipulate the wording of things?
Cronos in his astral form
"This form was the one i took to kill Uranus"
"Did he damage my form this much!?"
"Quiet ironic i have to hide behind Athena's Statue"
meaning Cronos had to hide behind Athena's Statue or else his form would have been damaged by Galaxian Explosion.
The Golden Dagger directly hurts the physical body ignoring things like distance, but that is an argument for another time.
Again your distorting wording, and manipulating context to make it seem like your right.
Its the other way around.
its Multiple statements of them being Low 2-C vs the very flawed and wrong statement of them being Galaxy level HOWEVER even that statistic can be changed with a simple calculation.
HOWEVER, shown feats are also having them >>>>>> the supposed "galaxy" statements
The shown feats are consistent with their statements of them being Universal/Low 2-C
Are you trying to say Leo Aiolia is 2-A (Multiversal+ now? Zeus (Saint Seiya)
What about "at least 3-C likely Low 2-C?"I would go for "At least 3-C, possibly Low 2-C" as a compromise honestly. They have a lot of feats on both ends.
The statement from Saga about how it can destroy all the stars and planets in the milky way can be used as a low end to start with for a calculation.GE has been stated to be galaxy level, multi-galaxy level and universe level depending on the time. It's not a static technique.
I would go for "At least 3-C, possibly Low 2-C" as a compromise honestly. They have a lot of feats on both ends.
GE has been stated to be galaxy level, multi-galaxy level and universe level depending on the time. It's not a static technique.
I have the official Brazilian Translation if you want. It's very clear.Look at this, is not even properly translated (refers to Seiya as a woman) and the supposed bigbang is just to describe his burning cosmos as he uses a technique, what standard of evidence is this?
I have the official Brazilian Translation if you want. It's very clear.
No.I would appreciate it, but the context is still Seiya using his technique and not creating a Big Bang right?
No.
The context is that Typhon's seal can only be broken by a cosmos equal to the Big Bang that created the universe.
Seiya reaches this level of power by himself.
I would appreciate it, but the context is still Seiya using his technique and not creating a Big Bang right?
The giga-Novel has the big bang happening twice within it. I posted both, you had to chose that one.Then it is a different feat, the one I linked is about Seiya fighting Agrios.