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This is false.Aries Mu Low 2-C (Created a Universe, and had his power compared to the Universe by a being whom can create Universe's.)
it does however state that the galaxian explosion is comparable to the kofuku which has the power similar to that of the big bang, albeit my french is incredibly rusty. and Saga's GE was stated to be able to destroy the "world" in GA, which in context refers to a timeline of the universe, so it's consistent (which is further backed up by photon burst).This is not in the Brazilian Translation of the Galaxian Encyclopedia guidebook. This could be another guidebook that was only translated in French, maybe, but I have NO IDEA what this is. Hell it might be a French-exclusive Databook.
This is incredibly unfortunate, however, doesn't really change the scaling as there's many other statements which support low 2-C gold saints.This is false.
questionable definitely, especially when he has Agyo which can create universes, kind of seems redundant to have both abilities. Shimejima - who is another 7th sense user - could destroy the universes created by Agyo, so Shaka scales to either interpretation of the tenbu hourin.I also think Tenbu Hourin being considered a literal universe when it's a mental attack to be kinda questionable.
questionable definitely, especially when he has Agyo which can create universes, kind of seems redundant to have both abilities. Shimejima - who is another 7th sense user - could destroy the universes created by Agyo, so Shaka scales to either interpretation of the tenbu hour
And over 20 times GE is stated as galaxy level everywhere so I dont understand why we should take the photon burst statement as more valid.However, Tenma Kofuku is still being stated to be equal/compoarable to Galaxian Explosion, and Saga states that the photon burst is equal to Galaxian explosion
and the within the Episode G manga, photon burst is stated to be equal to the Big Bang by a titan
Again, those aren't AP vased attacks, is representing the start and ending of a universe in a specific place.
Basically Shijima makes a void of nothingness and Shaka makes space to counter each other.
And over 20 times GE is stated as galaxy level everywhere so I dont understand why we should take the photon burst statement as more valid.
only 2 or 3 statements of it being galaxy level"
Gets contradicted by literal 20 other statements and calculations that place it higher. Also, shown feats and scaling that places it higher.
Non canon.How are animated movies considered though ? The Eris movie for instance has a direct statement about how only those saints that can raise their cosmo to the level of a Big Bang can wear Gold cloths
@Matthew_SchroederThis is incredibly unfortunate, however, doesn't really change the scaling as there's many other statements which support low 2-C gold saints.
the panels literally state "a myriad of universes being created and destroyed" your headcanon interpretation is headcanon. furthermore, I believe this wiki recognized Shaka as universal with Agyo prior to this CRT, so presumably this has been discussed and your position has lost otherwise it wouldn't have been added.Again, those aren't AP vased attacks, is representing the start and ending of a universe in a specific place.
Basically Shijima makes a void of nothingness and Shaka makes space to counter each other.
saints don't have static AP, so both sets of statements are valid and non-contradictory. I guess Seiya is still island level despite having defeated Zeus (Aiolia), Hades, Saga, Aiolia, Thanatos so on. If we assume static AP for saints, nothing is consistent. Given the saints can raise their cosmo at the drop of a hat and increase their power literally infinitely..... there are no inconsistencies with these statements (and no, it's not hyperbole it's a requirement to activate the god cloths which middle tier gold saints like Mu and Camus could activate in GA).And over 20 times GE is stated as galaxy level everywhere so I dont understand why we should take the photon burst statement as more valid.
Although not technically canon, it's not contradicted, in-fact, it's stated by Shion in G almost to the letter.How are animated movies considered though ? The Eris movie for instance has a direct statement about how only those saints that can raise their cosmo to the level of a Big Bang can wear Gold cloths
I don't believe that's on any of the profiles, that was dropped long ago when you took issue with it at the start of the thread.I am not fine with "lol several times baseline" because of Shiryu pushing the clash of Athena Exclamations.
It does not come from Shiryu surviving it. It comes from the statement that Gold Cloths are needed to survive the shockwave, and how a weakened, and exhausted Shura, Camus, and Saga took the full force of it and survived. And Mu, Aiolia, and Milo survived the other half of the shockwave.I'm fine with universe level Gold Saints.
I am not fine with "lol several times baseline" because of Shiryu pushing the clash of Athena Exclamations.
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the panels literally state "a myriad of universes being created and destroyed" your headcanon interpretation is headcanon. furthermore, I believe this wiki recognized Shaka as universal with Agyo prior to this CRT, so presumably this has been discussed and your position has lost otherwise it wouldn't have been added
I already debunked all this arguments, in the end you only have statements contradicted by more and more coherent statements.saints don't have static AP, so both sets of statements are valid and non-contradictory. I guess Seiya is still island level despite having defeated Zeus (Aiolia), Hades, Saga, Aiolia, Thanatos so on. If we assume static AP for saints, nothing is consistent. Given the saints can raise their cosmo at the drop of a hat and increase their power literally infinitely..... there are no inconsistencies with these statements (and no, it's not hyperbole it's a requirement to activate the god cloths which middle tier gold saints like Mu and Camus could activate in GA).
I don't know how many times this has to be stated, all your points have been addressed, the AE is not a valid debunk as there's different levels of uni+, you're just downplaying and being intellectually dishonest at this point. Even supposing you're correct, all StS media post OG manga including G, GA, LC and the LN's have completely disregarded it, making the statement more inconsistent than literally any other interpretation, heck, the same author literally wrote Seiya creating a big bang prior to the AE being introduced, so the one statement you're clinging on to is literally so ridiculously inconsistent it's like saying the saints are < star level due to the Libra weapons.
'm fine with universe level Gold Saints.
I am not fine with "lol several times baseline" because of Shiryu pushing the clash of Athena Exclamations.
A single Big Bang level AE turned Shaka into dust.It doesn't come from Shiryu surviving it. It comes from the statement that Gold Cloths are needed to survive the shockwave, and how a weakened, and exhausted Shura, Camus, and Saga took the full force of it and survived. And Mu, Aiolia, and Milo survived the other half of the shockwave.
A quick reply since its early morning here, and a bit busy.A single Big Bang level AE turned Shaka into dust.
A quick reply since its early morning here, and a bit busy.
Shaka wanted to come close to death. He needed to enter the underworld alive with the 8th sense. and the durability of a character is also dependent to their cosmo. so lowering his cosmo, or not going all out would do the trick to get dusted.
you literally haven't debunked anything, all you have been doing this whole time is come up with nonsensical explanations that lead to inconsistent conclusions. You're the only one who disagrees, everyone else who has commented agrees with the upgrade, including a staff member. So it's incredibly arrogant to think you've successfully debunked anything.Based on what? Every scan here has been debunked.
Do you think the anime version of the scene with the 4 Bronze Boys going gold diverting the attack makes more sense?I'm fine with universe level Gold Saints.
I am not fine with "lol several times baseline" because of Shiryu pushing the clash of Athena Exclamations.
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The Taizen, and Hypermyth (One of those 2) iirc use that example for that scene. The bronze cloths going gold as they use their 7th sense.Do you think the anime version of the scene with the 4 Bronze Boys going gold diverting the attack makes more sense?
Wait really?The Taizen, and Hypermyth (One of those 2) iirc use that example for that scene. The bronze cloths going gold as they use their 7th sense.
Yes, i found it. i believe this is from the Hypermyth.Wait really?
could you point out the inconsistencies? The only ones i could find are the god cloths for all but Seiya being high 3-A (which is weaker than their prior selves).I would appreciate if all knowledgeable and experienced members here check through the recent Saint Seiya edits, as I have found them to repeatedly be inconsistent/illogical/incoherent.
In addition, there are likely still several of them that need to have their tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages corrected.
@Matthew_Schroeder
We really need you to try to be responsible and help out here. Otherwise one of your favourite franchises is likely going to turn into a complete mess.
That's just the gap between gold and silver saints though, the gap between 7th and 9th (the 8th sense has no confirmed power increase, it's more of a transcendence of the soul hence why it's not relevant this point) sense is even larger than the gap between 6th and 7th. I'm not sure what the policy on LC statements regarding verse cosmology is on this wiki, however, Virgo Asmita states that 8th sense users (and above) exist in a higher plane of existence above spacetime, and Hades created constructs which span infinitely in said plane (Underworld and Elysium) and Hades isn't even the strongest 9th sense user. So suspect or not, it's simply how the verse operates, so it's one of those "put up or shut up" situations.It also seems very strange to have had no in-between progression from 6-B to Low 2-C anymore, which makes all of this seem very suspicious.
I 100% agreeOkay. I suppose that there isn't much to do about it then. However, we must make sure to insert proper easily understood explanations into the pages.
Saint Seiya doesn't reach cosmic power until the gold saints show up, which is why there's no progression inbetween. It just skyrockets with the introduction of the 7th sense.It also seems very strange to have had no in-between progression from 6-B to Low 2-C anymore, which makes all of this seem very suspicious.
i'll private message Matt now..Okay. Understood.