Low 2-C Clean-up Part 1

[Jibz]

I don’t know why you went out of your way to quote me, then end off with “keep complaining”… Are you bored, or something?

I just wanted for you to understand OP's side a lil bit

My problem lies in just… looking at the wiki, as it answers how we handle stabilization, before making a thread. Simple fix.

• OP looks for clarification
• Clarification is hard to find
• OP makes a post complaining about this and asking for clarification to be easier to find

It's really just that simple :/

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I just wanted for you to understand OP's side a lil bit

• OP looks for clarification
• Clarification is hard to find
• OP makes a post complaining about this and asking for clarification to be easier to find

It's really just that simple :/

Lol, sure. Is this spiel done, since it’s such a nonissue?

 

[Jibz]

I feel like all of this confusion could have been avoided if Pain made it a little clearer what they wanted to accomplish with this thread instead of being ambiguous with things like this:
and making it appear as though they're trying to change the ratings of the verses that they believed didn't qualify for Low 2-C.

Plus the fact they tackled multiple verses at once and essentially didn't confirm or communicate with the supporters of these verses about these ratings makes it seem like they wanted to make changes to the ratings.

This is all just a big misunderstanding about what the purpose of this thread is.

I can agree with this, in that sense OP ****** up. Im just complaining about arguments levied against OP i don't find to be fair. This is getting silly and kinda out of hand, let's all stop this off topic conversation, and focus on the matter at hand

 

[Jibz]

Lol, sure. Is this spiel done, since it’s such a nonissue?

This is getting silly and kinda out of hand, let's all stop this off topic conversation, and focus on the matter at hand

Does that answer your question?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Certainly does.

 

[sanicspood]

the archie low 2-c shitty ass ratings should've already been resolved a while ago, idk why the profiles still don't explain why zones = universes lmfao

like ik they have proper reasoning I've seen it my self

I also don't care if the low 2-c stuff was already discussed multiple times on the forum, if the actual, proper reasoning isn't on the main profiles then that's a problem.

a similar thing happened with xeno goku and his profile almost got purged completely.

like god, ap ratings on this wiki can be so SHITTTTTTTTTTT

 

[KLOL506]

yes destroying a universe within a timeframe is not low2c without further context this is not even an argument

How to tell you didn't read Low 2-C standards without telling you didn't read Low 2-C standards.

Blatant statements of "Timelines destroyed/significantly affected" or "Space-time continuum destroyed/significantly affected" or "all of space and time destroyed/significantly affected" are as thorough as context gets for Low 2-C. You cannot apply overtime BS onto anything High 3-A and above. What the **** do you think I was talking about? You think I was only talking about the physical universe?

 

[PrinceofPein]

I feel like you actually don’t understand the requirements.

Requirement 1 (what are they stabilizing): They are stabilizing a universe.

Requirement 2 (prove they do it through their strength): They create these Palaces from their own Cognition/Magnetite.

Requirement 3 (prove they scale to stabilization): These structures immediately crumbly upon said rulers defeat.

Requirement 4 (prove it scales to ap): Boils back into 2.

this is from asmodeus profile: "Attack Potency: Universe level+ (Created his Palace and sustains the universe-sized space-time it exists in)" literally no link and explanation and all other low 2c that i have seen connects to this guy after a bit of scaling, so yes a better explanation this guy profile and maybe the scan can be linked. and creating it through magnetite? does this scale to their AP and what is magnetite
and yes i am not saying the feat is not low2c i am saying it should explained in a way that people who have zero knowledge about the verse can understand

Why does this matter? It’s confirmed a replica of the universe.

it does cause the difference is that if he is just sustaining it in the present only then it is not low 2c

How to tell you didn't read Low 2-C standards without telling you didn't read Low 2-C standards.

if you are going to act like a kid and throw out provoking statements just dont reply you have brought nothing constructive to thread so far

Blatant statements of "Timelines destroyed/significantly affected" or "Space-time continuum destroyed/significantly affected" or "all of space and time destroyed/significantly affected" are as thorough as context gets for Low 2-C. You cannot apply overtime BS onto anything High 3-A and above. What the **** do you think I was talking about? You think I was only talking about the physical universe?

and yes if you tell me, "they destroyed the universe gradually" without further context how tf am i supposed to know that you are not referring to the physical universe alone? that is where you clarify better and tell me what is what that is the entire purpose of this thread

• OP looks for clarification
• Clarification is hard to find
• OP makes a post complaining about this and asking for clarification to be easier to find

It's really just that simple :/

thanks



and well to reply everyone "i said creation of a universe can be 3A to low 2C" depending on context and there is literally wrong with that and yes let me edit the OP to well fit this better

 

[PrinceofPein]

And since there are a lot of pages perhaps whole verses that grants low 2c for a feat that does not qualify or in very few cases feats that qualify for higher than low 2c, this thread will be part one in trying to clean up the tier, so we can explain better and give clarifications for why a certain verse or character have low 2C in a way that anyone can understand.
I will try to take things slowly so in each thread there will be some of the characters or verses that dont qualify at all and some that qualify but provides too little info. So this is to help clean up these pages

edited the OP at least everyone can understand this is not necessarily a downgrade thread

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It's a fantastic idea to downgrade several characters from extremely popular franchises into a single thread

 

[KLOL506]

and yes if you tell me, "they destroyed the universe gradually" without further context how tf am i supposed to know that you are not referring to the physical universe alone? that is where you clarify better and tell me what is what that is the entire purpose of this thread

WHEN DID I EVER REFER TO THE TERM "UNIVERSE" only?

I was explicitly talking about parts where "universe" and "space-time" are included in the same context hand-to-hand.

Also did you even read the CRTs for these verses when these ratings were added in? Why would you make a CRT about multiple verses like this without actually linking to any of them when you wanted to ask for clarifications and wanted to ask why it makes no sense? Even if you didn't intend to make it a downgrade, you could have just asked to link the justifications to the profiles and that'd be that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Honestly this should by all means be closed. Don't do multiple verses in one thread, it leads to an extreme amount of disorganization, if you have issues with these verses, just hit up knowledgeable members on their walls, or, even better for a verse like League, be patient, a verse-wide can't be rushed much as you'd like it to be, especially for a verse as big as League.

 

[PrinceofPein]

It's a fantastic idea to downgrade several characters from extremely popular franchises into a single thread

Apart from the first verse mentioned show me another one where I actively say they should be downgraded? It isn’t a clarification thread

• OP looks for clarification
• Clarification is hard to find
• OP makes a post complaining about this and asking for clarification to be easier to find

It's really just that simple :/

WHEN DID I EVER REFER TO THE TERM "UNIVERSE" only?

I was explicitly talking about parts where "universe" and "space-time" are included in the same context hand-to-hand.

Glad we cleared that up

Also did you even read the CRTs for these verses when these ratings were added in? Why would you make a CRT about multiple verses like this without actually linking to any of them when you wanted to ask for clarifications and wanted to ask why it makes no sense? Even if you didn't intend to make it a downgrade, you could have just asked to link the justifications to the profiles and that'd be that.

And what did you think this is? Or you can’t read?
Why have I been saying it should be explained better if I was not saying the justification should be linked to the profiles?

which is fine but there is no link to these two characters he is comparable to neither is the feat on the page and on the verse page also i can't find the low 2c feat for the beings neither can i find the characters "Dark Cosmic Lux" and "Dark Star Thresh"
so if possible someone can point me in the direction of the two characters so we can check out the feat or point me in the direction of the low 2c feat directly so the rating can become something like "Universe level+ (should be comparable to beings like Dark Cosmic Lux and Dark Star Thresh who can do this(the feat)).

so if possible someone can clear this up or point to a low 2c feat that i have missed that these characters scale to but not on the page. either way this needs to be fixed

please can someone point in the actual low2c feat as the entire thing on the pages are just circular scaling Odin has a scaling for being comparable to zeus, on getting to zeus page his own reason is also being comparable to Odin

This is are literally what I kept repeating in the OP so this is just “tell me you didn’t read the OP without telling me you didn’t read the OP”

 

[PrinceofPein]

Honestly this should by all means be closed. Don't do multiple verses in one thread, it leads to an extreme amount of disorganization, if you have issues with these verses, just hit up knowledgeable members on their walls, or, even better for a verse like League, be patient, a verse-wide can't be rushed much as you'd like it to be, especially for a verse as big as League.

Its not supposed to be hard if people actually try to read to understand aside from “is he trying to downgrade my fav verse” No
Read the damn thing
And yes this can be moved to wiki management as that’s what this is

 

[KLOL506]

And what did you think this is? Or you can’t read?
Why have I been saying it should be explained better if I was not saying the justification should be linked to the profiles?

That's exactly what you should have done in the first place.

Honestly, it's as if you make CRTs without any careful planning ahead of time.

 

[PrinceofPein]

That's exactly what you should have done in the first place.

Honestly, it's as if you make CRTs without any careful planning ahead of time.

forget about my intro as that can be misleading, read what i was saying about each verses and you will realize this is supposed to be straightforward

 

[DaReaperMan]

Its not supposed to be hard if people actually try to read to understand aside from “is he trying to downgrade my fav verse” No
Read the damn thing
And yes this can be moved to wiki management as that’s what this is

I don't need to read it when your inviting the world's biggest clusterfuck and thinking that touching a verse you know for a fact is in the process of a verse-wide is a good idea. Look at all of the images here for me. each and every one of those is a character profile we have to revise including seperate keys that will be handled in their own revisions. if you wanna downgrade them, do the research completely and fully, until then, sit down your impatient arse and wait. this is common sense.

 

[Sevil Natas]

and yes if you tell me, "they destroyed the universe gradually" without further context how tf am i supposed to know that you are not referring to the physical universe alone? that is where you clarify better and tell me what is what that is the entire purpose of this thread

this is not the case for LoL though. the guy told you that space-time is also affected by the destruction of the dark stars. he gave you the context. anyway if a verse-wide revision is planned. then I guess we should wait for that before doing anything to the pages.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't need to read it when your inviting the world's biggest clusterfuck and thinking that touching a verse you know for a fact is in the process of a verse-wide is a good idea. Look at all of the images here for me. each and every one of those is a character profile we have to revise including seperate keys that will be handled in their own revisions. if you wanna downgrade them, do the research completely and fully, until then, sit down your impatient arse and wait. this is common sense.

I agree with the sentiment.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I don't need to read it when your inviting the world's biggest clusterfuck and thinking that touching a verse you know for a fact is in the process of a verse-wide is a good idea. Look at all of the images here for me. each and every one of those is a character profile we have to revise including seperate keys that will be handled in their own revisions. if you wanna downgrade them, do the research completely and fully, until then, sit down your impatient arse and wait. this is common sense.

And how am I to know they are going through a revision? I just saw something iffy And I called it out and the moment I told it is been revised I crossed it out from the OP, it’s as simple as that nothing more

 

[GodlyCharmander]

If the OP doesn't want to change anything, but rather give better explanations for each tiers, he should have:

• Contacted the supporters of each verse he plans to fix.
• Made CRTs or WMTs for each verse, with the proper justifications, and made it CLEAR it was about fixing the justification.

 

[DaReaperMan]

And how am I to know they are going through a revision? I just saw something iffy And I called it out and the moment I told it is been revised I crossed it out from the OP, it’s as simple as that nothing more

Because your literally on a thread that has various mentions of a verse-wide in the works, so either you didn't read much of anything, or you are willfully ignoring that fact. Hell, even if you wanted to you couldn't touch League's Low 2-C without doing all the research for the keys in-question, in fact, that's why verse-wides take awhile, they require a lot of research.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

As others have said plenty of times, this should be better organized, tackled verse by verse on individual threads. Trying to ask for "clarifications" and revising the pages of multiple verses at once is, in fact, disorganized as can be, proven by how many people completely "misunderstood" the intent of the thread by including stuff that shouldn't have been included given the "intended premise".

 

[PrinceofPein]

Because your literally on a thread that has various mentions of a verse-wide in the works, so either you didn't read much of anything, or you are willfully ignoring that fact. Hell, even if you wanted to you couldn't touch League's Low 2-C without doing all the research for the keys in-question, in fact, that's why verse-wides take awhile, they require a lot of research.

except i am actually not on such threads and only came across the LoL thread today after i was told about it. and No this is not a CRT to change the tier this is a CRT to improve the pages by adding better justification for the thread so no i am not trying to downgrade your fav verse, you can rest now

If the OP doesn't want to change anything, but rather give better explanations for each tiers, he should have:

• Contacted the supporters of each verse he plans to fix.
• Made CRTs or WMTs for each verse, with the proper justifications, and made it CLEAR it was about fixing the justification.

and how can i make it anymore clear that i am just trying to fix the justifications? like how? i dont get if not for most people here jumping to conclusions and also the whole contacting supporters and the likes takes too long for something that is supposed to be so simple, at least even though we derailed a lot aside from ArchieSonic, the rest have been clarified now all we need to do is find a way to input the new infos into the justifications

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

so no i am not trying to downgrade your fav verse, you can rest now

And you wonder why people have issue with this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

except i am actually not on such threads and only came across the LoL thread today after i was told about it. and No this is not a CRT to change the tier this is a CRT to improve the pages by adding better justification for the thread so no i am not trying to downgrade your fav verse, you can rest now

So, in other words, you didn't read the thread at all and decided to jump on a key without any context, no questions to supporters, or anything else. Excuse me while I go push for those keys to be the very last thing revised for LoL.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

and how can i make it anymore clear that i am just trying to fix the justifications? like how? i dont get if not for most people here jumping to conclusions and also the whole contacting supporters and the likes takes too long for something that is supposed to be so simple, at least even though we derailed a lot aside from ArchieSonic, the rest have been clarified now all we need to do is find a way to input the new infos into the justifications

• You constantly tried to counter any justifications given to you, making people think you disagreed with the rating, and the CRT was indeed intended to change it.
• One of your complaints had a proper justification, you just misunderstood it, thus, people again thought it was about the rating itself being valid or not.
• This multitude of fuckery is quite disorganized, thus, people will not understand it.
• "Well, everything was cleared expect Archie Sonic", except it wasn't. You got the justifications, good, you still didn't get anyone to agree they should be added. That's the first step, which you needed to have BEFORE making the CRT.

Just close it and do verse by verse.

You got LoL's justification. But it's going through a revision.

You got SMITE's. Do a CRT, state the proper accepted justification on the thread, then ask it to be applied on the profiles with faulty justifications.

One at a time.

 

[PrinceofPein]

And you wonder why people have issue with this.

lmao, i was being gentle and respectful but they were acting obnoxious so yes i dont mind replying with the same energy as long as it wont spiral out of control

So, in other words, you didn't read the thread at all and decided to jump on a key without any context, no questions to supporters, or anything else. Excuse me while I go push for those keys to be the very last thing revised for LoL.

why will i read a thread i did not know was made? and key without context? so provide more context so people who are not knowledgeable about the verse can understand which is the purpose of this thread.

• You constantly tried to counter any justifications given to you, making people think you disagreed with the rating, and the CRT was indeed intended to change it.

nah just one actually and it was not a counter but a question as to why this scales to AP, thats all

• One of your complaints had a proper justification, you just misunderstood it, thus, people again thought it was about the rating itself being valid or not.
• This multitude of fuckery is quite disorganized, thus, people will not understand it.
• "Well, everything was cleared expect Archie Sonic", except it wasn't. You got the justifications, good, you still didn't get anyone to agree they should be added. That's the first step, which you needed to have BEFORE making the CRT.

Just close it and do verse by verse.

You got LoL's justification. But it's going through a revision.

You got SMITE's. Do a CRT, state the proper accepted justification on the thread, then ask it to be applied on the profiles with faulty justifications.

One at a time.

except i am not planning on adding the justification on this thread, hence why i requested for this to be moved to "Wiki management"
i will make a CRT for each verse later on so their new justification can be added to the page, this is not the thread to approve the new justification it is a thread to be sure there is more behind the little to nothing provided on the pages

 

[GodlyCharmander]

,except i am not planning on adding the justification on this thread

Then this thread is pointless. If they're on the Wiki, the ratings were approved.

Making a CRT to gather justifications is plain lazy, just contact knowledgeable members, or use the search bar/tags to research the reasoning behind it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Apart from the first verse mentioned show me another one where I actively say

Revising so many verses at once does not work, even if it is for upgrade or anything

 

[PrinceofPein]

Then this thread is pointless. If they're on the Wiki, the ratings were approved.

if all ratings previously approved on the Wiki are 100% accurate i dont see why we allow for upgrade or downgrade threads then.

Making a CRT to gather justifications is plain lazy, just contact knowledgeable members, or use the search bar/tags to research the reasoning behind it.

Nah its not lazy and yes i searched for the reasoning and i just could not find it.
there are over 1300 low2c characters on this wiki so yes i want to be lazy.
and like i already said i asked this to be moved to wiki management as the individual CRT to add the justification will be done verse by verse later on. I actually thought it should be moved to QnA but Wiki management fits better

 

[thetechmaster36]

except i am not planning on adding the justification on this thread

Then what's the point in making this thread in the first place? This is just a serious waste of time.

If you find the justifications to be strange, unclear, etc., then just go to the supporters and ask them for the context. Threads like this are pointless when the supporters are RIGHT THERE for you to talk with.

There's also the thing of looking through previous threads and seeing what the gist of the rating is if you can't contact the knowledgeable members somehow. That way, you can pinpoint the impetus of why the ratings were accepted in the first place.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Very poorly thought out thread on OP’s part. This should just get closed and handled with more care at a later date.

 

[DaReaperMan]

All right so your just being willfully ignorant of the LoL thread you commented on that revises Piltover and Zaun that had a verse-wide mentioned a few times. I'm not gonna play dumb with you.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Then what's the point in making this thread in the first place? This is just a serious waste of time.

If you find the justifications to be strange, unclear, etc., then just go to the supporters and ask them for the context. Threads like this are pointless when the supporters are RIGHT THERE for you to talk with.

There's also the thing of looking through previous threads and seeing what the gist of the rating is if you can't contact the knowledgeable members somehow. That way, you can pinpoint the impetus of why the ratings were accepted in the first place.

and you think i did not look through those threads.
this is simple gather justifications and make a CRT on a later date for each verse
the point of making the thread as already been stated you not comprehending is not my fault

i will stop replying anything that does not help with the thread, well since the person i asked as not seen it can any Mod that see this please move this to "Wiki Management"?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm afraid that mods would rather close this then move a thread that's about as organized as elementary school playtime to wiki management.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

this is simple gather justifications and make a CRT on a later date for each verse

You aren’t supposed to make “Content Revision Threads” to gather justifications for later CRTs. That’s counterproductive.

We have a Questions & Answers board and Verse supporters can be contacted via their message walls.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I'm afraid that mods would rather close this then move a thread that's about as organized as elementary school playtime to wiki management.

well i am not going to bicker with an adult who likes to throw insults around like a child.

You aren’t supposed to make “Content Revision Threads” to gather justifications for later CRTs. That’s counterproductive.

We have a Questions & Answers board and Verse supporters can be contacted via their message walls.

and that was a mistake on my part and after i was called out on that, i said it should be moved and whats wrong with that?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well since I am going to sleep, I apologize to anyone I have offended in the course of this thread and please if any Mod sees this please move it to "Wiki Management" Thanks in Advance

 

[ElixirBlue]

I agree current Archie Sonic's rating justifications are scattered. I have plans to strengthen the justifications & Base scaling because I know a thread like this could be made but I become distracted with other Continuities and IRL. That is indeed my fault.