Low 2-C Brackets Round 14

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Current standings and Bracket Hub.

Today's round of combatants are Sonic the Hedgehog (Game Character),submitted by CrimsonStarFalle, and SCP-1739, submitted by Iapitus The Impaler.

Darkspine Sonic and "The Dog" are being used and speed is equalized. Sonic also has access to his optional equipment.

Sonic the Hedgehog:

SCP-1739: 3 (Ionliosite,Oblivion Of The Endless,Psychomaster35)

Inconclusive:

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

So, how does the Dog fight? As for Sonic, I am not sure if he can get past the higher-dimensional existence. True, hes fought Solaris, but that was his Super, THIS is Darkspine, which is weaker.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So, how does the Dog fight? As for Sonic, I am not sure if he can get past the higher-dimensional existence. True, hes fought Solaris, but that was his Super, THIS is Darkspine, which is weaker.

If he's Low 2-C, then Sonic should be able to affect spatially 4D beings. Also, Darkspine also has his reality warping and durability negating haxes with the wisps. I guess the dog might have the AP advantage due to him having 4D power

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Sonic's 3D with 4D power, not physically 4D.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sonic's 3D with 4D power, not physically 4D.

Yes that's correct. Should've clarified myself there. Regardless, Sonic can still affect spatially 4D characters since he has 4D power

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Only with power, not abilities.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Why would his ablities not be able to affect spatially 4D characters when he has 4D power? It doesn't translate to just AP, his haxes should also be 4D

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Because they've never affected any spatially 4D beings. If this was Super Sonic, that would be a different story, but we're not using that form.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Because they've never affected any spatially 4D beings. If this was Super Sonic, that would be a different story, but we're not using that form.

His reality warping is universal+, so it's already 4D power. And Tier 2 characters can affect spatially 4D beings since according to the new tiering system, any spatially 4D being would be at least Low 2-C (and Low 1-C if they destroy their 4+1 dimensional space-time). As long as the dog isn't tiwr 1, tier 2 powers can still affect him

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Super Sonic isn't much different from this, and that would mean that Super's haxes and AP are 4D, which are already there due to him being 2-C.

The only difference between Darkspine and Super AP and haxes are that Darkspine has Low 2-C haxes and Super has 2-C haxes

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Sonic doesn't even use Reality Warping in combat.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Still doesn't mean that his other abilities aren't 4D.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Dog: Exists

Sonic: 'Dying hedgehog noises'

Not exaggerating btw, the Dog is Low 2-C just by existing and has a Low 2-C feat just by casting its shadow on a timeline

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

From the tiering system page:

Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely sized 3-dimensional expanse. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continua of an universal scale, though it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

A) Provably infinite, one which can be safely assumed to be so, or that is of an otherwise non insignificant size.

B) Portrayed as infinitely larger than lower-dimensional objects and spaces in the setting of a given work of fiction.

C) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space.

Both of those say that universal+ AP can be achieved if the character is spatially 4D, as they're more than countably infinitely larger than even a countably infinitely big 3D structure

 

[Genericstickman]

Isn't Sonic already Universal just by existing scaling to Alf Layla wa-Layla, also Secret Rings still needs that hax upgrade + tier upgrade

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Dog: Exists

Sonic: 'Dying hedgehog noises'

Not exaggerating btw, the Dog is Low 2-C just by existing and has a Low 2-C feat just by casting its shadow on a timeline

Wouldn't that make him Low 1-C? Since if a shadow can destroy a 3+1 dimensional timeline, then the real body would be one dimension higher than that, which is 5D = Low 1-C

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

And not all abilities are created equally. He doesn't transmute people on a 4D level.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And not all abilities are created equally. He doesn't transmute people on a 4D level.

Darkspine has transmutation? Huh. Didn't knew that. Also, wouldn't abilities that he has in base would just be amped to a Low 2-C scale while in this form?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Dog: Exists

Sonic: 'Dying hedgehog noises'

Not exaggerating btw, the Dog is Low 2-C just by existing and has a Low 2-C feat just by casting its shadow on a timeline

Sonic scales above Alf Layla-Wa Layla, who is also Low 2-C by existing. And dying won't be a problem at the start, as he has optional equipment that allows resurrection a few times over.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bump

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Ionliosite]

I guess I vote for the SCP since most (or any) of Sonic's abilities can't affect him.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Wouldn't that make him Low 1-C? Since if a shadow can destroy a 3+1 dimensional timeline, then the real body would be one dimension higher than that, which is 5D = Low 1-C

Uhhhh, what?

Anyway, 1739 FRA

 

[Psychomaster35]

Eh, Dog FRA

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Does Sonic even have a wincon here?

Also, the 5D Dog coming from the fact that his shadow alone destroyed a 3+1 timeline. Shadows are 1 dimension lower than the actual body, since humans are 3D but their shadows are 2D

 

[Genericstickman]

I mean Darkspine Sonic might get more hax with my Secret Rings CRT but that's not done yet

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does Sonic even have a wincon here?

Also, the 5D Dog coming from the fact that his shadow alone destroyed a 3+1 timeline. Shadows are 1 dimension lower than the actual body, since humans are 3D but their shadows are 2D

Im pretty sure thats not how it works. If casting his shadow is Low 2-C that just means that the dog is really high into Low 2-C as a whole since his feat was that casual

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

@Generic

If he still doesn't have a wincon, then it's a stomp

@Oblivion

Casting a shadow is much different than physically attacking. Human Shadows are 2D, meaning that you can't affect 3D beings with it (such as other humans), so 4D shadows would result in 5D (or 4+1D) body for the dog. I mean, in the real world shadows are 1D lower than the objects who cast them (2D vs 3D), so I see no reason why it can't be applied here as well unless there's proof for it not being the case

 

[CaptainFinnigan]

maybe this should be closed due both characters being kinda wonky atm

 

[Psychomaster35]

If the Dog is higher-dimensional as it says, then shouldnt it be disqualified?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

If the Dog is higher-dimensional as it says, then shouldnt it be disqualified?

Most likely. If even his shadow is 4D, then the dog himself must be 5D or one dimensional level higher than his shadow, which would make him tier 1

 

[Psychomaster35]

Then there should be an upgrade for it. So... next round, I guess?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The Dog is only 4-D

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The Dog is only 4-D

Doesn't the description say that his shadow alone is Low 2-C, a.k.a is 4D? Shadows are one dimension lower than the physical body which projects them, so that's my argument for 5D Dog. Or at the very least, 4D physically with 5D power (there are such characters like how the wiki has 3D physical characters with 4D or 5D powers)

 

[ShakeResounding]

That actually makes sense

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Genericstickman]

well Darkspine got a hax upgrade

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It still doesn't really matter since the Dog should be 5D given his desceiption (his shadow alone can destroy a 3+1D timeline, meaning it's 4D. Shadows are 1D lower than the object that casts it, like how 3D objects cast 2D shadow. By that logic, the Dog should be 4+1D, which means 5D = Low 1-C)