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Low 2-C BoG Goku and Beerus upgrade

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Dragon Ball's planets exists on a multidimensional state.


A habitated planet can have it's own personal aftelife including heaven,hell, there is the Kaioshin realms than can see all other realms.

And a Demon world that exists outside time, and is sealed away outside space and time. And mirrors the physical world.

Each universe can have their own parallel dimensions as well as parallel timelines of the Universe itself.

Yukaphile said:
Power scaling near 3-A to Low 2-C is so nebulous that I can't see how upgrading what he did in Episode 12 to Low 2-C would work out given that he is not multiversal, or he could beat Zeno-sama.
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He destroy a Universe with more than 4possible dimensions.

Two dimensions existing beyond time.
 
Um... no. Every soul in DBZ is shown to be sent to the check-in station. Kami doesn't keep people at his palace. He can send people back in time, but... wasn't that just filler? What is implied in the manga is that he can send him to other locations.

What demon world? :O We don't get any sense to its boundaries past "sealed cave," which isn't very impressive space-time wise.

What IS impressive is destroying the HTC, which has a faster rate of time than the normal universe. Other than that, the Kaioshin Realm, the Other World, and the living universe all have the same space-time, they run forward in sync, same as the other universes.

Which ones?
 
Zamasu was so far the only one shown to be able to influence more than one timeline. Not even Zeno could do that.
 
Yukaphile said:
Zamasu was so far the only one shown to be able to influence more than one timeline. Not even Zeno could do that.
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Via the number of time rings and changing the past created a new future
 
Sorry, I just tired. My question is what happens to Tier 2 statement Via the number of time rings and changing the past created a new timeline?

 
That is the full size of Universe 7 is a small multiverse.

Of 3 to 4 Universe sized timespace with their own individual number of timelines.

Where 2 metaphysically spaces exist without time.


Upgrading Beeeus and BoG Goku using this idea.
 
@Matthew Schroeder No idea. Do you think we should upgrade the Episode 12 feat to Tier 2? It would have destroyed the HTC as well, and the OBD did rule that's enough to count as universal+, since it's a separate space-time dimension.
 
The OBD does not consider Universe level+ to mean the same thing as we do. It simply means "can easily bust a universe" there.
 
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That should be in the battle vs Beerus, if they destroyed the world to a Void, then it is not a Tier 2 feat?

Episode 12: At 7:09 min
 
This is not a Tier Low 2-C nor 2-C feat, they were only turning the universe into a Void by destroying its matter over time, which is 3-A. There are no mentions of Space and Time being affected.
 
Yeah, nothing indicates that space-time was being destroyed.

Heck if they could destroy space-time then why did Goku's attacks have no effect on Infinite Zamasu, who became space-time itself?
 
Ok, guys, thanks for the clarifications

ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Yeah, nothing indicates that space-time was being destroyed.
Heck if they could destroy space-time then why did Goku's attacks have no effect on Infinite Zamasu, who became space-time itself?
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This another point: Fusion Zamasu is Non-Corporeal
 
He said he was confident, but was underestimating him since Infinite Zamasu is superior to Grotesque Zamasu, who can oneshot both Goku and Vegeta.
 
Still, would it warrant a possible Non-Physical interaction, since he could also block Hit's intangible attacks?
 
That was before he adapted to Hit's intangible attack though.

Also, Hit's intangibility is him being in his pocket dimension, so he isn't really there to be hit.
 
Dark649 said:
This is not a Tier Low 2-C nor 2-C feat, they were only turning the universe into a Void by destroying its matter over time, which is 3-A. There are no mentions of Space and Time being affected.
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Old Kai did mention that everyone including all gods would had be killed by Goku and Beerus's clash, despire the King Kais living in the Afterlife while Old Kai and Kibito were in the Kaioshin Realm.

Would a 3-A explosion trully be capable to kill someone located to another reality (small or big) without directly affect space-time, i mean that sound at very least more like High 3-A level of power?

Yes the Afterlife is part of the 7th Universe but it still exist as a separated reality from the Mortal World like the Kaioshin Realm, hell due of its size be comparable to the Mortal World it could be counted as an universal space-time continuum by itself.
 
He is Non-Corporeal because he is the universe.

If Goku could nuke timelines, he would have been able to kill him


Both Saiyans were exhausted and Zamasu was evem stronger than before.
 
Here's how it works.

The universe map in the guidebooks is the entire observable structure, while the multiverse map shows the universal space time. The Kaiōshin realm is literally a massive planet that revolves around the universe and it's never seen outside the dimensional barriers of any universe. So it's nothing but 2.5 times baseline.

Hit only uses a pocket dimension the size of a 9-A structure.

The whole Goku and Vegeta being exhausted means nothing because Trunks wasn't able to harm Zamasu either.

Jiren's 4D feat and statement is something that's really impressive to Goku and the rest.

Goku is not 4th dimensional until he unlocks ultra instinct, so no upgrade.
 
"Hit only uses a pocket dimension the size of a 9-A structure."

I could probably argue it's an 8-C minimum size just from it's size compared to Goku's body (Who's actually fairly tall himself).
 
Addressing the OP, that statement of turning the universe into a void refers to how they were going to destroy everything in the universe and turn it into empty space (that's what Elder Kai stated). It doesn't imply the destruction of space-time.

However, you could make a case with later statements talking about the destruction of the entire universe as a whole and the fact that DB doesn't make a distinction between 3-A and Low 2-C like we do. But according to our standards we need hard evidence about the destruction of space-time.
 
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