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Ant was okay with the upgrade, that’s the reason why I proceeded.
You'd rather given a misleading context that the staff accepted Architect's and Shadow's R>F transcendence which isn't the case. Suppose that's where his comment "so maybe you can upgrade to Low 1-C first, and wait until later with anything further?" came from.
By “regular characters”, he meant the other underworld characters who didn’t directly contribute to the event, only shadow and architect have strong proof to get to Low 1-C, ant knows it. If it still isn’t accepted, my apologies, I didn’t know it.
It's fine. I already asked Ant to clarify his stance, be patient, please.
 
You'd rather given a misleading context that the staff accepted Architect's and Shadow's R>F transcendence which isn't the case. Suppose that's where his comment "so maybe you can upgrade to Low 1-C first, and wait until later with anything further?" came from.
It might look misleading at first glance, but note that this is after his previous inputs, where his only objection to the thread was about the regular characters getting to Low 1-C through RE, if he really disagreed with the entire thread, he would’ve been straightforward with it, like about the regular characters (Atleast that’s what I was thinking). But regardless, let’s hear it from him then.
 
I think that the Architect can probably get Low 1-C in his natural state beyond the confines of his self-insert avatar, but that his self-insert avatar should strictly scale to the game characters that he fought and lost against.
 
I think that the Architect can probably get Low 1-C in his natural state beyond the confines of his self-insert avatar, but that his self-insert avatar should strictly scale to the game characters that he fought and lost against.
I too would agree to it, if it isn’t for this one detail, that is, unlike other writer figures, Architect physically breaks the 4th wall (barrier btw fiction and reality) and enters the world of sf2 from his sound stage (real world), which hinders the possibility of him having any avatars, what’s your opinion on this?
Also, thanks for clarifying your input!
 
I think that his in-verse powers seem much more limited relative to the verse than when he is in his own higher home reality, similarly to the Monitor brothers of DC Comics.
 
I think that his in-verse powers seem much more limited relative to the verse than when he is in his own higher home reality, similarly to the Monitor brothers of DC Comics.
Architect didn't get weaker when he entered his fictionary-work, it's just the implication of Shadow power is constantly getting stronger (As the dialogue implies that Shadow can reject Architect's power)

But OP can explain it better than me
 
I think that his in-verse powers seem much more limited relative to the verse than when he is in his own higher home reality
Well, while it is completely reasonable to conclude with that (as there are many similar examples to it, like the monitors), things here are a little different. Architect still maintains his writer-like authority and power over his characters, additionally, we can see him making puppeteer and shadow (shadow is mute) talk what he wants with a mere thought. Suggesting us that he didn’t get weaker as he entered the verse by breaking the 4th wall.

So would it be reasonable to conclude it was Reality equalization? (Only for shadow, excluding all other characters on the thread)
 
I think so, yes, given that if it wasn't in effect, or The Architect was just letting Shadow beat him by playing along with his own script, he could just have erased the entire setting that he created with a thought.

For example, if I remember correctly, Grant Morrison allowed Animal Man to beat a in-universe avatar of himself to death, only to pop up another avatar right afterwards while continuing to talk about the plot conventions of his story.
 
For example, if I remember correctly, Grant Morrison allowed Animal Man to beat a in-universe avatar of himself to death, only to pop up another avatar right afterwards while continuing to talk about the plot conventions of his story.
well. there are some differences, yes, Shadow beats Architect just like how animal man beats Grant Morrison, but the "Real world" (from where architect comes from) is actually open to shadow while the fight takes place, as you can see in this video, Animal man fights a in-verse avatar of his writer who has no connection to the "real world" as he exists in the final heaven, but in our case, Shadow fights his writer, who broke the 4th wall and walked from his sound stage (real world) directly into the world of shadow fight 2, and the "path back to the real world" was open during the entire fight, the "real world" was right next to shadow during the entire fight, which is why it is most likely to be reality equalization, as Reality equalization is also tied close to Reality-Fiction Transcendence (stated on the page). However, this will grant shadow Low 1-C tier for only this event, as architect leaves the world of sf2 and doesn't return back at all. which is why a separate key for this event will be created (if reality equalization is accepted).
 
It's fine. I already asked Ant to clarify his stance, be patient, please.
Hey, sorry to bother you, but can you ping ant again?
but the "Real world" (from where architect comes from) is actually open to shadow while the fight takes place, as you can see in this video
Because this right here is the most important detail, and I’d like to hear ant’s input on it. (And yours too, if possible) Thanks!
 
I think that Reality Equalisation would mean that The Architect automaticall scales down to his created reality when he enters it.
 
I think that Reality Equalisation would mean that The Architect automaticall scales down to his created reality when he enters it.
That seems a little unlikely, given the fact that he can delete the game, Architect threatens the player with deleting the game altogether (from the player's phone, App Store, play store, wherever the game can be found) through game notifications, and he sends these notifications while the event was on-going (while architect was still inside the world of sf2), this strongly holds architect still at Low 1-C while he's still in game, so could it be that shadow was experiencing RE while fighting architect? (including the fact that "the real world" is open to shadow all along the fight)
 
That seems a little unlikely, given the fact that he can delete the game, Architect threatens the player with deleting the game altogether (from the player's phone, App Store, play store, wherever the game can be found) through game notifications, and he sends these notifications while the event was on-going (while architect was still inside the world of sf2), this strongly holds architect still at Low 1-C while he's still in game, so could it be that shadow was experiencing RE while fighting architect? (including the fact that "the real world" is open to shadow all along the fight)
I'd like to give some suggestion on currents problem right now, which there are two major ability that is probably related to solved Shadow's tier, as such;

One, Accelerated Development (You know this, i don't need to explain) ... Shadow could probably have Low 1-C based on this, just like Doomguy.

Two, Reactive Evolution
We got a statement where Sensei stated that Shadow's is unbound by fates while fighting Architect, even though Shadow is seen to be affected "before" by a multiple character named (Fatum, Tenebris, Candy, Countess, etc) but later on he resisted, this suggest that Shadow is probably having some sort of evolution while he's on a battle, giving him certain resistance based on opponents abilities... this is not the first time Shadow has done this, Shadow is literally affected by their power at first, but later on somehow "resist" them as its not ever happening.
So my point is, Shadow is likely pretty much evolving to the same degree as Architect when he fought him

That's all. (My english sucks)
 
Bump, this isn't going anywhere.

I think we can conclude Architect to be the one that get Low 1-C by following Ant's suggestion... As for Shadow, it can be discussed later with a different thread (Because in all honesty, this thread surely will be forgotten and any changes wouldn't have been made)
 
Sigh... this again. What did I say before?
 
Umm what? Ant said that Architect is Low 1-C following the logic of true from in the world he resides in, and i simply edit the profile base on this assumption...?
Solely with Ant agreeing isn't enough. I already said that a single staff approval isn't enough to apply this.
 
Put me on disagree with Shadow having R > F qualities just like Architect, shadow isn't 5 dimensional. Reality Equalization means if there's a character who's 11 dimensional and a character who's also 3 dimensional, their dimension would be equalized and that's literally for versus threads.

Shadow is a 3 dimensional being that could get into a 5 dimensional structure and beats the **** out of Architect, literally as simple as that

Anyways when is it breaking the 4th wall = you can interact with lower dimensional beings? I thought this was supposed to be dimensional manipulation? Lmao. This is the exact opposite of what breaking the 4th wall means. Should've said breaking the 3th wall instead I guess.
 
Reality Equalization means if there's a character who's 11 dimensional and a character who's also 3 dimensional, their dimension would be equalized and that's literally for versus threads.
Too bad wiki didn't have that kind of rules where Dimension is equalized in a Versus Thread, that would make the tiering system falling apart (They say)
And this Reality Equalization is absolutely not for versus matchup rules, its for a statistic profile.

Reality Equalization is when a verse having Real World & Virtual World as a hierarchial plane of reality (For the summary, its for Reality-Fiction Verse category... in which if the Virtual World conclude 4D Feats, the Real World will be assumed to be higher than that)

While what OP is trying to say is not all correct, but the fact that the verse having Reality Equalization keys is undeniable... Shadow can get scaled through this (OP also made this thread for Shadow to get Low 1-C by Dimensional Manipulation at first, but changed it for an unknown
 
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The shadow fight multiverse in the Underworld continuity is 2-B (with kali mentioning innumerable planes and titan conquering those worlds, universes in this context), however, with the introduction of characters like Architect and Puppeteer in the underworld special events, the verse can reach low 1-C.

Architect originates from the "Real World" which exists above the cosmology of Shadow Fight 2, where Shadow Fight 2 is a work of fiction and Architect is the Author, from where Architect can essentially delete the game if he wishes so. Enough to place him and the "Real world" at low 1-C. In the event, we see him invading the world of Shadow Fight 2 by breaking the fourth wall, creating a pathway from his soundstage to the world of sf2 through which he is able to walk into Shadow Fight 2 and interact with his creation (the main characters), where he is ultimately defeated by shadow when he states that he has grown bored with his creation and plans on rewriting the entirety of sf2 if shadow fails to surprise him, after which architect wonders if shadow no longer belongs to his creator and has taken a life of his own. Soon after, he makes Shadow talk with his powers before leaving, showing us that he didn't necessarily get weaker as he entered through the broken 4th wall. Architect still has his "Author-like" powers while he's still in-game, as there's no avatar creation, he walks straight into the game from his soundstage (real world)

Argument: Architect got weaker when he entered sf2 via dimensional manipulation.

Counter argument: The notifications in which architect threatens the player with the deletion of the game were sent while the event was on-going (while architect was in game), two things can be observed; Architect can still directly challenge and threaten the player, and potentially delete the game altogether if he just wishes so.

Some additional info - Architect was able to force words into puppeteer's mouth (Architect's inner monologue).

Now, it could mean that Shadow temporarily gets to low 1-C via Reality Equalisation, due to the nature of where the fight takes place, where the fourth wall (barrier between the "real world" and the fictional world of sf2) is broken. As RE is closely related to R>F T.

Conclusion:

Architect - Low 1-C

Shadow - Low 2-C (defeated Tenebris), Low 1-C with Reality Equalization (Can trade blows with Architect)

Tenebris and other Underworld characters - Low 2-C

Tenebris 2-B Upgrade.
From what I can tell from what is available online, it seems as though the Architect claimed to be the creator of the world but was referred to as crazy. I think it's very spotty whether we should take that as legitimate, especially when Reality Equalization isn't like... an ability, on this wiki. That page is just an explanation of one of the contrivances we make that allow certain verses to be scaled as people want to (such as Sword Art Online being scaled as normal rather than just calling everything 10-C "because video game in-universe".
 
I think that Reality Equalisation would mean that The Architect automaticall scales down to his created reality when he enters it.
(This is correct, I believe, if we were to operate under the assumption that Reality Equalization is occurring wherein the game's creator is now just inside his creation)
 
Thank you very much for helping out here, Bambu. 🙏🙂
 
Architect claimed to be the creator of the world but was referred to as crazy. I think it's very spotty whether we should take that as legitimate
The one that said Architect is a mad guy comes from Sensei which in POV of him that is a lower being.
Especially when the setting of Shadow Fight takes place from an older era, they of course didn't fully understand this whole narrative crap... now you if you get approach by a God that you didn't believe with, saying that all of the world is just a simulation, i absolutely guarantee you'll have the same reactions as Sensei.

Even when before Architect meets Shadow there's a plenty evidence that Architect is reliable, you can't just ignore these these scans:

1. “Meet The Maker”
2. https://postimg.cc/d7nm6F4w
3. https://postimg.cc/w7bCfK45
4. https://postimg.cc/N5LzDDs0
 
Doesn't he already scale by right of fighting the Shadow?
 
Yeah but shadow doesn't fully scale to his verse yet, so if we scale him to shadow, Architect will be weaker than the verse, even as the writer.
 
Shadow is at uni+, possibly higher. Meanwhile the verse is at 2-B tier with countless timelines.
Yes. But i still don't get it why you conclude him to be 2-B above given the fact of plenty Qualitative Superiority evidence around him

He's outside of his fiction, can control it as a whole, treating them as a paper-game-fiction or whatever you wanna call it, etc etc.
Sensei even acknowledge him being the creator despite calling him mad before (I don't even know how Bambu only see the "mad" part and not the other)
All of this is a qualification for R>F Transcendence
 
@Dashio_Tessai @Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @GarrixianXD

What should we do here?

 
I've mostly forgotten, but I think this went back to the R>F policies and ones that truly meet criteria are 1-A. But unsure if this qualifies. But I do not mind the Low 2-C minimum stuff. Unsure about 2-B, but it seems Low 1-C would be rejected either direction however.
 
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