PrinceofPein
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I choose peace today
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Low 1-C neutral space dbs
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Serlock_Holmes
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And the world is happier for this.
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No bestie, by this logic each structure that has a minimum of two space-time continuums is 5D
Vietthai96
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Nah, the dimension that contain them still 5D nonetheless, what we measure is its size. And again here we talking about the entire construct which is the timeline that contain all those space-time macrocosm and the Neutral Space, the World of Void and Zeno Palace, heck in Zeno Realm universes is shown to be as small as a ball and the entire timeline contain such realm along with other macrocosm and the neutral space, and somehow it being not significant enough in size for tiering is.........speechless.
Hasty12345
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Viett, it's essential for you to grasp that even without a neutral space, this particular space will persist within the structure. Hence, whether it is incorporated or omitted, its presence remains inconsequential.
Regarding the constructs you introduced, none of them assert any form of "an additional spatial dimension." They don't advocate transcending them altogether, nor do they claim any infinite superiority or qualitative transcendence.
So ya, it's speechless, but you can add those structures “infinite times” and you are still not 5D. Y'all underestimate uncountable infinity.
Regarding the constructs you introduced, none of them assert any form of "an additional spatial dimension." They don't advocate transcending them altogether, nor do they claim any infinite superiority or qualitative transcendence.
So ya, it's speechless, but you can add those structures “infinite times” and you are still not 5D. Y'all underestimate uncountable infinity.
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Also for educational purpose, I love Dragon Ball! I watched it with my dad when I was smol.
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Hey,I'm losing all the fun here. What's the counter argument?
Vietthai96
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Idk why you persisting with sematically argument about uncountable infinite, infinite superiority, and qualitative superior, they are not the only way to get into higher tier
Second, you will never get any fiction which slap such direct sentence so arguing sematically is pointless, unless the author aware of battleboarding term. But if that is the case, we will not index those verses so another pointless thing
Third, talking about uncountable infinite, literally we treat time as 4D because while time isn't an actual dimension, it hold uncountable infinite amount of snapshot of 3D object on its length, so a timeline contains space-time macrocosm which is 4D object, the entire length of that timeline will contain uncountable infinite amount of 4D object thus 5D, so somehow we treat timeline as +1D compare to basic 3D, but ignore a higher time is a contradiction to me. Also if i'm not wrong, we literally allow Kingdom Heart to have 6D because a large space-time contain a 5d space that in turn contain 4D space-time universe, which is uncountable infinite amount of 5d dimension/space
Next, talking about infinite superiority, qualitative superior. Time isn't an actual dimension and isn't default to be qualitative superior, infinite superior to 3 spatial dimensions, by your reasoning, time should not be 4D, yet we still treat space-time, timeline as 4D
Anyway, gonna be busy later so probably i can't reply in a short time, you guys should chilling
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My bad, I missed one aspect, r>f transcendence, but crazy, it also does not apply here.
We do, that's why we have tier 1 fictions here.
No, we don't treat time as 4D. We treat it as a temporal dimension.
Idk why did you even mention this. Its not even my argument.
Hasty12345
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R>F/QS is just one way to get Low 1-C. There are others.
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This is beside my point, none of those “other ways” apply here. So what is the point?
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Because y'all debated about QS when the whole thread is about temporal dimensions.
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You need QS to achieve tier 1. That's golden rule.
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You need QS. End of story.
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I'mma gonna get ya.
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PrinceofPein
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Just to say, they are actually the only way to get higher tiering and nothing else.
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I might have missed something, but OP is definitely not talking about temporal dimensions. It even specify in it that:
It clearly talks about an additional spatial dimension, not a temporal one. If the argument now became about temporal dimension than a different CRT should be made with the arguments for that, since otherwise this revision would become a mess.
Anyway, I don't think that the evidence brought up is enough to justify the Neutral Space being 5-D. Without a clear cut statement of said space being infinite compared to the smaller world it contains, than it would be pretty hard to prove that the Neutral Space is a higher spatial dimension.
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Wow, how foolish. He went down the hard way.
I'm sticking to temporal dimensions.
I'm sticking to temporal dimensions.
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Sure, this can be saved to other discussion (if it was not even discussed before and rejected)
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Then if there is a greater temporal axis, why not make Xeno 5-D already?
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KingNanaya
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if you say so
Georredannea15
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That's not what they're talking about. For 1-dimensional parallel lines that do not touch each other on any angular axis to exist in the same plane, that plane must be 2-dimensional. If we consider this in 4-dimensional space-time continua, the plane will be 5-D.
This logic is for topological structures that curl or extend in 5-dimensional space.
You can be a 4-dimensional structure of volume zero curving in 5-dimensional space and occupy only the 4-dimensional axis in 5-dimensional space.(This is for topological structures)
But this is not the case if we are talking about neutral space. Because these are not topological structures. The space itself is 5-dimensional.
And as for the timeline, I already disagreed with that
You can try, but what you are trying to change is something that is supported and agreed by DT, Ultima and Executor.(Of course, what they want is not a simple gap between universes in a space, they want that parallel universes exists in the same plane do not intersect on any angular axis.Well, that's a bit more extreme.)
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Prove that Ultima actually agreed that void is low 1-C by our standards and meet one of our qualitative superiority methods.
It being 5D axis is not equivalent of being qualitative superiority over 4D plane.
It being 5D axis is not equivalent of being qualitative superiority over 4D plane.
Hasty12345
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Wouldn’t the fact a new timeline creates a new multiverse prove their continuums intersect?
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how about you stop talking for their behalf? call them here, talking for them is really not good
Georredannea15
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I have already quoted Executor and DT's comments and you have completely misunderstood them. So... all I can say from now on is to wait for them
Georredannea15
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I say that because I spoke to them and I guess I quoted the comments.
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Georre speaks for every staff in existence.
Georredannea15
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I guess that's sad for you. Tagging Ultima doesn't make much difference compared to tagging them, but I won't argue about that.
Georredannea15
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I quoted him but she still didn't understand.
PrinceofPein
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Again read this again, by this logic all 2B becomes low 1-C, why cause they are timelines that do not touch no matter how they extend so destroying 2 means destroying what they are extended over hence low 1-C.
That is all.
Please check what I said again, there is no need to reply to everything
And what prove do you have that is 5D? I mean send the scans
So your claim now is that universe 1 through 9 are parallel timelines?
While I respect the three of them, I don't care about what they said outside this thread since the ones who are quoting them cannot even defend their point. Either way, do send what DT and Ultima said, I'd like to see it as I am sure you are misinterpreting what they said.
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I came here to explain why Time isn't always 4D (in a sense of being infinitely powerful/large[Qualitative superiority])
The first example is still 3D + Time. but in this case, Time is superior but not infinitely stretching to fulfill the higher infinity requirement
The second example is 3D + time. but this time infinitely stretches towards the future and is infinitely larger in comparison to qualify for higher infinity
in Math terms
the First example although there are 10 seconds of time as an entirety. The snapshots in these 10 seconds are infinite still. take like the numbers that exist between 1 and 0. Let's assume Time is an Axis. and in this axis of time, the line between Time 0s and Time 10s contains infinite numbers of possible numbers (Such as 0.0000001 up to 9.9999999... and so on) the same way that the Time between 0seconds towards 10second could contain 0.00000001seconds or 9.999999999seconds. and these are still snapshots in time. so what we have here is an Aleph Null in Infinite set theory
The second example instead of 0s to 10s. we now have 0 seconds to Infinite seconds. now This is what we call higher infinity. Aleph 1. Why?
Instead of being constrained to countable numbers, we have a maximum of infinite time. 10seconds to 20seconds is aleph null. 30 seconds to 99 years is still an aleph null of a snapshot. because no matter how you stretch if it's the seconds/years or any other measurement of time as long as it is still a finite number it will still just be aleph null.
This specific part of the video explains this
but if it's infinite. it will be an infinite on top of infinite sets. in a way because of how big a number is infinite. despite these 0seconds to 10seconds containing infinite snapshots. These 0 seconds to 10 seconds are still infinitesimal to the infinite time. Infinitely small to the point of irrelevance.
now we just created a time that is 4D and also Qualifies for Qualitative superiority by either size or power but in this case, it is size due to the sheer size of the timeline in comparison to a small timeline that extends only a few seconds
Now apply this in 5D space and replace time with space. the moment you cannot satisfy infinite difference or qualitative superiority. you don't get a higher tier. but of course, you're still 5D just not infinitely powerful or larger. To assume that being 5D somehow makes you infinitely superior/larger without much explanation is in the realm of assumption of dimensional theory which is a bygone era and we no longer scale on dimensional theory alone.
But of course no one will probably listen to me or understand what i said because I'm an infinitesimal blue name
- First, we grab a timeline that only has 10 seconds for its entirety of past, present, and future
- Then we grab a timeline that has an infinitely stretching future.
The first example is still 3D + Time. but in this case, Time is superior but not infinitely stretching to fulfill the higher infinity requirement
The second example is 3D + time. but this time infinitely stretches towards the future and is infinitely larger in comparison to qualify for higher infinity
in Math terms
the First example although there are 10 seconds of time as an entirety. The snapshots in these 10 seconds are infinite still. take like the numbers that exist between 1 and 0. Let's assume Time is an Axis. and in this axis of time, the line between Time 0s and Time 10s contains infinite numbers of possible numbers (Such as 0.0000001 up to 9.9999999... and so on) the same way that the Time between 0seconds towards 10second could contain 0.00000001seconds or 9.999999999seconds. and these are still snapshots in time. so what we have here is an Aleph Null in Infinite set theory
The second example instead of 0s to 10s. we now have 0 seconds to Infinite seconds. now This is what we call higher infinity. Aleph 1. Why?
Instead of being constrained to countable numbers, we have a maximum of infinite time. 10seconds to 20seconds is aleph null. 30 seconds to 99 years is still an aleph null of a snapshot. because no matter how you stretch if it's the seconds/years or any other measurement of time as long as it is still a finite number it will still just be aleph null.
This specific part of the video explains this
but if it's infinite. it will be an infinite on top of infinite sets. in a way because of how big a number is infinite. despite these 0seconds to 10seconds containing infinite snapshots. These 0 seconds to 10 seconds are still infinitesimal to the infinite time. Infinitely small to the point of irrelevance.
now we just created a time that is 4D and also Qualifies for Qualitative superiority by either size or power but in this case, it is size due to the sheer size of the timeline in comparison to a small timeline that extends only a few seconds
Now apply this in 5D space and replace time with space. the moment you cannot satisfy infinite difference or qualitative superiority. you don't get a higher tier. but of course, you're still 5D just not infinitely powerful or larger. To assume that being 5D somehow makes you infinitely superior/larger without much explanation is in the realm of assumption of dimensional theory which is a bygone era and we no longer scale on dimensional theory alone.
But of course no one will probably listen to me or understand what i said because I'm an infinitesimal blue name
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just downgrade DB to 3-B lol
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